Oden's restructured Salary $1.5 Mil?

[Nikolokolus]

Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

OK, perception is reality my friend.

Try LSD and then tell me if you still believe that.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

I'm connected FAMS

me too, in fact, i have inside information from a 1980's movie star as my source that rajon rondo collects and plays with antique dolls

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

Try LSD and then tell me if you still believe that.

if everyone was on lsd, then everyone would have that reality

the world is what you see, what you can touch, not some vague recollection of how things should be, used to be, or could be

man this acid is strong

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

He was unsupervised in L.A., hitting up the clubs, etc. Who knows how he got this setback. My guess is he wasn't as careful as he should have been. It was his fault.

Going from $8.9 to a mere $1.5m is drastic.

 

[Weav]

Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

I'm not a STH, but if I was, I'd be pissed about how secretive the team has been about his situation. WTF is the "setback?!"

The Freedom of Information Act doesn't apply to NBA teams, so your anger is useless...they don't have to tell us shit.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I thought it was HIPAA, not FOIA.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I thought it was HIPAA, not FOIA.

Indeed.

 

[RR7]

Because of injury, we did not have to offer the QO, and would have still held his RFA rights. So his options were to find another offer from a team, which we easily would have matched, and then felt underpaid afterwards, sign for what ever we offered(1.5), or, just sit out a season entirely, rehabbing, and still been a RFA. He didn't have great options. He didn't "give back" money. He didn't choose to sign for less. He didn't have a choice.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Because of injury, we did not have to offer the QO, and would have still held his RFA rights. So his options were to find another offer from a team, which we easily would have matched, and then felt underpaid afterwards, sign for what ever we offered(1.5), or, just sit out a season entirely, rehabbing, and still been a RFA. He didn't have great options. He didn't "give back" money. He didn't choose to sign for less. He didn't have a choice.

(Unless I'm just completely off-base about this?) He's not a RFA, but the Blazers do still have bird rights.

 

[RR7]

Right, I meant, if we didn't offer him the QO this season, because of his injury, then he would have stayed a RFA. So his option was to do nothing at all, not play, not get paid, and still be a RFA, sign whatever we gave him, and be an UFA, or get an offer from elsewhere, at lower than he i slikely hoping he gets offered next season, and have it matched. In order to be UFA next season, this was his only option.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Right, I meant, if we didn't offer him the QO this season, because of his injury, then he would have stayed a RFA. So his option was to do nothing at all, not play, not get paid, and still be a RFA, sign whatever we gave him, and be an UFA, or get an offer from elsewhere, at lower than he i slikely hoping he gets offered next season, and have it matched. In order to be UFA next season, this was his only option.

Thanks for the explanation

 

[Hank The Dwarf]

Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

Where is this coming from?

“There have not been any setbacks,” Conley said Saturday of Oden’s health. “That’s the best way to word it. Doctors really did not give him a hard time line (for a return) ... but he’s working hard and trying his best to get back.”

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Chris Haynes thinks Greg Oden has played his last game as a Blazer:

If this report is valid, not only will Oden not play again this season, I think he played his last game as a member of the Blazers on Dec. 5, 2009 if you ask me.

This situation just keeps getting worse and I think the Blazers are ready to move on past this failed experiment and apparently Oden is too.

 

[blue32]

Chris Haynes thinks Greg Oden has played his last game as a Blazer:

The only thing Oden wants to do now is swing that trip-pod around and do tricks with it to get free mixed drinks.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Chris Haynes thinks Greg Oden has played his last game as a Blazer:

Who is Chris Haynes and why should we care what s/he thinks?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Who is Chris Haynes and why should we care what s/he thinks?

He's legit. New beatwriter from Comcast.

 

[Sedatedfork]

He's legit. New beatwriter from Comcast.

If he's right, then what benefit did the Blazers get for signing him to the $1.5 million contract? The potential to get something back in a S&T? Or do you think they are merely thinking he might come back and play some games at the end of the season and they are willing to pay $1.5 million for the potential of that?

If they are willing to move on from the failed experiment, they should have just rescinded the QO and not negotiated any other deal.

 

[magnifier661]

If he's right, then what benefit did the Blazers get for signing him to the $1.5 million contract? The potential to get something back in a S&T? Or do you think they are merely thinking he might come back and play some games at the end of the season and they are willing to pay $1.5 million for the potential of that?

If they are willing to move on from the failed experiment, they should have just rescinded the QO and not negotiated any other deal.

Like some have posted above; maybe so Portland can still have his bird rights. Or some theorize that he maybe still a RFA

 

[e_blazer]

Like some have posted above; maybe so Portland can still have his bird rights. Or some theorize that he maybe still a RFA

He's not a free agent, restricted or otherwise. He's under contract. Once that's up at the end of the season, he'll be an unrestricted free agent. Restricted free agency only applied to this past off-season.

 

[magnifier661]

He's not a free agent, restricted or otherwise. He's under contract. Once that's up at the end of the season, he'll be an unrestricted free agent. Restricted free agency only applied to this past off-season.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing because, frankly, I really don't know. I am just summarizing what I've read in this thread.

 

[e_blazer]

I am not agreeing or disagreeing because, frankly, I really don't know. I am just summarizing what I've read in this thread.

Yeah, I know. I was just trying to clarify the situation.

 

[Rhal]

Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

I think you're partially right, but he'll never be a max contract guy. No insurance company would ever insure his deal and the new CBA is going to make that exceedingly difficult to give him such a deal. The only team that could theoretically "max" him would be the Blazers, but that doesn't work out logically, because if they intended to give him such a contract they would have done it as an extension last fall.

The likeliest thing is that he knew he couldn't pass a physical if he got an offer sheet, the Blazers figured this out and knew he wouldn't be ready to play for most of the year and so they prorated his QO to the games the expect he'll be able to play in or just as a flier to keep his bird rights.

My only gripe is with the asinine assertion that he gave back money out of some kind of karmic motive.

He could very well be a Max contract guy. Stoudamire got a max contract with his contract not being insured at all. All Oden has to do is sign a 2 year deal play really good for 2 seasons and then everyone with cap space will line up to sign him. A big man no matter the health concerns always gets overpaid and if he shows to be dominant for 1 or 2 years he will get a massive deal.

I gotta think this restructured deal is based off of # of games he is expected to play with the upside that if he plays those games and has no setbacks after that he will get a big deal from the blazers. I'm still a big fan of Oden and have faith in him but i'm kind of worried that if he plays lets say 30 games including playoff games and shows no sign of being injured then we are going to give him a huge contract (something like 30m for 3 years)and have very little capspace to play with next year. If he shows us some health i'd rather sign him to a 2 to 3 year deal at 4 mill each year and then if he is healthy for all those years give him a nice deal if not were not on the books for much.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Canzano:

*Greg looks uninterested on the bench at games.
*(via Jason Quick) he's on his own little island.
*Leaves at half-time.

 

[magnifier661]

Canzano:

*Greg looks uninterested on the bench at games.
*(via Jason Quick) he's on his own little island.
*Leaves at half-time.

Actually I've seen this, I will admit. In fact, the last game I saw him stand up and even before the half was over; he walked into the tunnel.

 

[HailBlazers]

Who is Chris Haynes and why should we care what s/he thinks?

He's legit. New beatwriter from Comcast.

I call BS. I've seen him on Talking ball, if anything he's a wanna-be Dwight Jaynes, "I'm a realist because I take a negative view on everything."

Canzano:*Greg looks uninterested on the bench at games.*(via Jason Quick) he's on his own little island. *Leaves at half-time.

Nice Investigative work Canzano! Has to go to JQuick for any news since they won't let him in the locker room haha

In fact, the last game I saw him stand up and even before the half was over; he walked into the tunnel.

I really don't blame him, he's not a cheerleader. It would be tough to hang out around fans as well as in the locker room after a game in which you had nothing to do with it.

 

[magnifier661]

I really don't blame him, he's not a cheerleader. It would be tough to hang out around fans as well as in the locker room after a game in which you had nothing to do with it.

Dude I don't blame him either. I'm sure he's frustrated to all hell. I will be the first to welcome the big fella back in action. I was just saying I saw it first hand.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't know who Chris Haynes is, but it makes no difference. Sports writers, especially in Portland, have absolutely no insight to to anything sports related. Their opinion is the same as all of ours. A guess.

On a different topic, but in my mind somewhat related, how hilarious is Canzano crying tonight about ESPN having more access for the Rose Bowl than the local writers. He may be right about paying for access, but lets face it John you are now low man on the totem pole. You need to make something up quickly to be relevent.

 

[illmatic99]

Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

“There have not been any setbacks,” Conley said Saturday of Oden’s health. “That’s the best way to word it. Doctors really did not give him a hard time line (for a return) ... but he’s working hard and trying his best to get back.”

Huh. interesting. Thanks for the clarification.

That's strange now. If Oden's camp disagrees with the Blazers that there is a setback, then why did they agree to take the pay cut? Maybe they're just trying to save face with the denials?

Quick needs to hit up Conley sr.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If he's right, then what benefit did the Blazers get for signing him to the $1.5 million contract? The potential to get something back in a S&T? Or do you think they are merely thinking he might come back and play some games at the end of the season and they are willing to pay $1.5 million for the potential of that?

If they are willing to move on from the failed experiment, they should have just rescinded the QO and not negotiated any other deal.

You could be on the right track here; as far as the Blazers thinking about a future sign and trade. Let's speculate that Greg has decided he doesn't really want to stay in Portland long term but he wants Portland to come out of this as well as possible. So he and his agent keep it quiet about him wanting to move on. Also, since it's in both his and Portland's best interest for other clubs to be interested in making S&T offers (after the season) they both want to play it safe and try to get maximum value. So they both want to be very cautious about not putting him out there too early and also having him play just enough games that he shows his potential again but hopefully doesn't get hurt. Since the Blazers have agreed to facilitate his wishes to get out of Portland, they suggest it's not fair they pay him much for this season. Pure speculation but it makes some sense to me.

 

[PapaG]

You could be on the right track here; as far as the Blazers thinking about a future sign and trade. Let's speculate that Greg has decided he doesn't really want to stay in Portland long term but he wants Portland to come out of this as well as possible. So he and his agent keep it quiet about him wanting to move on. Also, since it's in both his and Portland's best interest for other clubs to be interested in making S&T offers (after the season) they both want to play it safe and try to get maximum value. So they both want to be very cautious about not putting him out there too early and also having him play just enough games that he shows his potential again but hopefully doesn't get hurt. Since the Blazers have agreed to facilitate his wishes to get out of Portland, they suggest it's not fair they pay him much for this season. Pure speculation but it makes some sense to me.

It makes no sense to me. Oden failed his physical. The Q.O. wasn't an option to sign.

There is no conspiracy here. It was explained very well early in this thread.