Off Topic ... but kind of not.

[Nikolokolus]

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgaz...kers-replace-injured-Harrell-with-Jurius-Wynn

The Packers will place Harrell on injured reserve, which will end his season and possibly his career in Green Bay. The 16th pick in the 2007 draft, Harrell played in just 16 games (including two in the playoffs) in parts of four NFL seasons, and just one game in the last two years.

After missing all of last season and parts of 2008 because of a back injury that required two surgeries, Harrell tore his anterior cruciate ligament while blocking on a second-quarter field goal against the Eagles. Before that on Sunday, he had played just two snaps on defense. If he never plays another down for the Packers, he will go down as one of the biggest first-round busts in team history.

“It’s just unfortunate what happened to Justin,” defensive line coach Mike Trgovac said. “I know it means a lot to him. I know he’s aware of what the media says about him, what the fans say about him. He really wants to do well. He worked his (butt) off to get back here, to get into shape.”

Trgovac said he won’t give up on Harrell.

“I’m going to work hard on this kid because I know I care about him,” Trgovac said. “He’s been through a lot here. If you have a guy that got hurt, and he didn’t give a (expletive) and kind of was taking the money and running, that’s totally the opposite of this kid.”

Harrell was an injury risk from the start. He missed all but three games of his final college season at Tennessee because of a torn biceps tendon, an injury that limited him as a rookie in 2007.

I'm a huge Packers fan and it breaks my heart that this Justin Harrell kid has endured yet another season ending injury, but sometimes these big bodies just break down and aren't meant to take the pounding they do in a professional sports.

I know football is a much more violent game and injuries are a much bigger part of that sport compared to basketball, but if some of you wonder why I have such skepticism about Oden, all I can say is that, "I've seen this movie before."

Hopefully we get the Disney-fied ending instead of the depressing Director's cut.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

Big difference is that football has 7 rounds of drafts and there are about 20 first round busts every year because so many of them are crap shoots and so many of the guys end up injured anyway. So you just never know.

Basketball it is so much more rare to actually have an injury that matters, that you really never see it. Just look at the history of consensus #1 overall picks other than Blake Griffin and Oden: Rose, Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Shaq, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, Worthy, Magic, Kareem, etc.

 

[Natebishop3]

Big difference is that football has 7 rounds of drafts and there are about 20 first round busts every year because so many of them are crap shoots and so many of the guys end up injured anyway. So you just never know.

Basketball it is so much more rare to actually have an injury that matters, that you really never see it. Just look at the history of consensus #1 overall picks other than Blake Griffin and Oden: Rose, Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Shaq, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, Worthy, Magic, Kareem, etc.

It would be just our luck that we pick one of the few busts as the #1 pick.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Big difference is that football has 7 rounds of drafts and there are about 20 first round busts every year because so many of them are crap shoots and so many of the guys end up injured anyway. So you just never know.

Basketball it is so much more rare to actually have an injury that matters, that you really never see it. Just look at the history of consensus #1 overall picks other than Blake Griffin and Oden: Rose, Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Shaq, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, Worthy, Magic, Kareem, etc.

The washout rate for 1st round picks in the NFL isn't nearly as high as you make it out, in fact if you're taken in the top 10 (like Harrell was) you're supposed to be considered a pretty good bet to be a future pro-bowler. And you're confusing the issue here; I'm not really worried about draft position, I'm talking about propensity for injuries. If Harrell hadn't endured such a rotten string of luck with an apparent stretch of completely unrelated injuries, he had the physical profile of a dominant or at least very good defensive end coming out of Tennessee.

 

[handiman]

Seems to me the last sentence should have been the one in bold.

"Harrell was an injury risk from the start. He missed all but three games of his final college season at Tennessee because of a torn biceps tendon, an injury that limited him as a rookie in 2007."

That's why I maintain that anyone who says Oden isn't injury prone because his injuries appear unrelated, well, they don't know **** on the topic. There's no logical connecting of the dots with proneness to injury. Some people are just screwed.

 

[HailBlazers]

"I've seen this movie before."

If you flip heads five times in a row, what are the chances you get heads on the sixth flip?

50/50, the past doesn't define the future my friend. Try leaving the past where it belongs and you might be happier because of it....

 

[Nikolokolus]

If you flip heads five times in a row, what are the chances you get heads on the sixth flip?

50/50, the past doesn't define the future my friend. Try leaving the past where it belongs and you might be happier because of it....

I've had this conversation before, but bodies/people aren't coin flips, we have mortal, breakable bodies and some people have more fragile physiques than others.

 

[Nikolokolus]

FWIW:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30710797/wid/11915773?GT1=31037

The accident-prone brain
After reviewing the results of 79 studies which recorded the mishaps and misfortunes of nearly 150,000 people from 15 countries, researchers at the University Medical Center Groningen in the Netherlands found that accident-prone people do actually exist. In fact, one out of every 29 people has a 50 percent or higher chance of having an accident than the rest of us.
“Meta-analysis … of the general population revealed that accidents cluster in individuals, and that this clustering is higher than the clustering one would expect by chance alone,” the researchers concluded in their 2007 study, published in Accident Analysis and Prevention.
Unfortunately, they couldn’t identify what was responsible for all the bruises, bumps and broken bones, although another study conducted by the University of Delaware offers enticing clues.
The study used neurocognitive tests regularly administered to athletes to measure brain processes like visual and spatial skills and reaction time before and after an injury, in this case, a “noncontact” knee injury, such as one resulting from an error in coordination as opposed to one caused by being tackled. When the test scores of 80 athletes who had injured themselves were compared against 80 athletes who had remained injury-free, researchers discovered something interesting.
“We found that the group that had injured themselves had slower reaction time, they had slower processing speeds and their visual/spatial skills were not as good as the other group,” says Dr. Buz Swanik, associate professor of health, nutrition and exercise sciences at the University of Delaware.
Throw a monkey wrench like stress into the works and the person’s reaction time slows even further.

 

[barfo]

We found that the group that had injured themselves had slower reaction time, they had slower processing speeds and their visual/spatial skills were not as good as the other group,

Well, no shit Sherlock.

I could have told you that. I'm in that group.

barfo

 

[BGrantFan]

Well, no shit Sherlock.

I could have told you that. I'm in that group.

barfo

You really should have clued in kpee...

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

I've had this conversation before, but bodies/people aren't coin flips, we have mortal, breakable bodies and some people have more fragile physiques than others.

I'd agree. But I'd be very sceptical if it isn't tied 99% with diet and exercise. If you took 10,000 athletes who were all under 25 years old and had the modern medicines, rehab centers, vitamins and supplements of today's typical athlete, and you even took a broad range of all race and gender say from the Olympics across sports like volleyball, cross country, rowing, track & field, etc., I highly doubt you would find any athletes that get random injuries more than someone else unless they have a pre-existing soft-tissue injury that is suspectible to re-occur because a tendon or ligament or muscle has been damaged in the past and hasn't healed to 100%. Or from some athelete that just simply isn't using the proper mechanics for their sport (like a weightlifter who uses his back, etc.).