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Should the Blazers trade the farm for Giannis (see first post for details)

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julius said:
8 picks (in essence) and 3 players?

Please come down from your high.
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Especially since the picks are all unprotected. Can you imagine if we made that trade and lost in the first round like the Bucks did....to a play-in team? I realize Wes was just throwing it out there for discussion purposes.....and it is not horrible if there were fewer picks. Short-term risks are fine but long term risks can be disastrous.
 
wizenheimer said:
I've seen pictures of Sly and CC....there are no standards here
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Pretty sure MIL ain’t trading Giannis.
 
Yes, I would offer Sharpe and our draft pick for Giannis.
 
Chris Craig said:
We are also human beings. We aren't perfect and we are allowed to share our opinions and use humor and sarcasm.

I get how @WesleyMatthews was upset though. He started a thread and thought I was trying to intervene or censor. Anyone that knows me here though, knows I wouldn't do that.
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Not a single person expects you to be perfect ... I mean just look at Sly, he screws up all the time!!!
 
Chris Craig said:
We are also human beings. We aren't perfect and we are allowed to share our opinions and use humor and sarcasm.

I get how @WesleyMatthews was upset though. He started a thread and thought I was trying to intervene or censor. Anyone that knows me here though, knows I wouldn't do that.
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I'm not upset. I just think it was a stupid comment and calling it out as such. I was being facetious, or maybe I wasn't, probably nobody can tell for certain from a text post online. I never understood why any poster goes into a thread to say why its stupid or not worth discussion. Why not go to the other thousands of threads sitting here. I think the threads about shoes or Damian rapping or other sports are stupid but I let people who want to discuss them do their discussions and move on to something I'm interested in.

Yes I picked on your title of a mod, but if you didn't have it I'd pick on something else with you in a condescending know it all manner.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Especially since the picks are all unprotected. Can you imagine if we made that trade and lost in the first round like the Bucks did....to a play-in team? I realize Wes was just throwing it out there for discussion purposes.....and it is not horrible if there were fewer picks. Short-term risks are fine but long term risks can be disastrous.
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So your saying the Blazers are giving up too much?

Its funny some say its ridiculous because the Bucks would never consider such an offer. Others seemingly are saying its too much for Portland to give up.
 
bigbailes said:
Mehhh ... once you take on that title of moderator, every post you're making is in some way shape or form as a moderator, it comes with the title. I appreciate the work they do, but they also are held to a different standard.
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Interesting. Hmmmmmmm.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
So your saying the Blazers are giving up too much?

Its funny some say its ridiculous because the Bucks would never consider such an offer. Others seemingly are saying its too much for Portland to give up.
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Yes, I think the fact that you made the 6 additional draft picks at the end UNprotected is insane. Portland is not LA or Miami where they can get rid of everyone and rebuild quickly with free agents. We need our picks. What if Dame got hurt and Giannins doesn't re-sign after 2 seasons? The scenario is not that far-fetched. As I said I am good with short-term risks but not long-term risks. Our fans can barely handle tanking for two years for a high pick. How about being in the lottery every other year and not having your picks? I would be much more inclined to make that trade if the picks (other than the two this year) were protected.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yes, I think the fact that you made the 6 additional draft picks at the end UNprotected is insane. Portland is not LA or Miami where they can get rid of everyone and rebuild quickly with free agents. We need our picks. What if Dame got hurt and Giannins doesn't re-sign after 2 seasons? The scenario is not that far-fetched. As I said I am good with short-term risks but not long-term risks. Our fans can barely handle tanking for two years for a high pick. How about being in the lottery every other year and not having your picks? I would be much more inclined to make that trade if the picks (other than the two this year) were protected.
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Thanks for articulating this. Not an unreasonable stance at all, I actually voted no for the trade as well, just too much long term risk and I don't know Dame/Giannis/Grant with zero bench can contend.

But it goes against the assumed absolute fact some posters are claiming that the Blazers don't have enough to trade for Giannis. Now I'm not saying the Bucks would agree to it, maybe they won't, I'd find it unlikely they consider any Giannis trade right now. But I'd say its much more likely they consider a trade now with how the season ended than if the Bucks made at least the ECF. If they did eventually decide to trade Giannis, this offer has enough legit young talent and potentially massive lottery pick value to be a realistic consideration.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
So your saying the Blazers are giving up too much?

Its funny some say its ridiculous because the Bucks would never consider such an offer. Others seemingly are saying its too much for Portland to give up.
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I think this is probably one of those occasions where two seemingly opposing things can simultaneously be true. The Bucks aren’t likely to accept any trade Portland can offer simply because Giannis is so good AND he isn’t asking for a trade. Giannis’s injury, combined with some incredibly hot play by Butler and some bad coaching by the Bucks, is why Miami was able to win their series. It’s not any inherent shortcoming on Giannis’s part. At the same time though, for the reasons Pinwheel noted, giving up that many unprotected future assets would leave the Blazers hamstrung if they had to rebuild. I don’t think either team would do the deal the way you’ve outlined it.
 
BlazerBeav said:
The Bucks are screwed - they're way up against the cap with a bunch of free agents. This was their last chance to run it back.
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The Bucks getting bounced probably isn't enough for them to trade Giannis on its own. I haven't checked their pending free agents, but for the sake of argument lets say Middleton and a good role player leave in free agency, then the Bucks have a horrible draft pick and strike out on all other free agents. All the sudden they could be sitting there without the talent to contend and decide to sell high on Giannis in just a few months to start off a rebuild.

I don't actually think its going to happen, but you add up that small chance with the Bucks, the chance Embiid has a similar situation if Harden leaves, add that maybe Siakam finally becomes more attainable on an expiring deal, add the chance Jaylen Brown asks out from the Celtics, and add that all together. The chance of any of these players on their own leaving is pretty low, but we see every year and normally a few times a year a superstar is traded... so odds are some star we haven't identified with certainty will be available for the right price this summer.

The trick is when that player becomes available do the Blazers have the assets to get them, with Cronin having the skill to successfully negotiate such a large trade, and afterwards still have the talent to realistically form the rest of the roster into a contender? Well I hate to bear bad news but;

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Nets gave up 4 unprotected 4 swaps, Jarrett Allen, and Caris Levert for Harden. That didn’t work out really.

Bucks gave up 3 unprotected for Jrue and they won the title immediately.

and there’s Toronto who gave up their franchise player for one year of Kawhi and won a title

I would’ve made all 3 of these deals even though Harden didn’t work out. We’d get two years of Giannis and he wants to play with Dame so he’d prob stay. Kawhi always wanted to be in LA.
 
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