Official 2014 NBA Draft Day thread

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

As far as the Blazers go..... I can't remember a more boring draft day. Not only do we not have any picks, we're not even hearing anything of real substance.

I'm not saying something won't happen. But the rumors churning add excitement, even when nothing ultimately happens, it's at least entertaining. So yeah..... snooze away.

Well, didn't the Lopez and Robinson trades come out of nowhere? I don't remember much talk about either trade before they were consummated.

Clearly, you either didn't read my post and/or you didn't understand it.

As I said, not saying something won't happen. But at this point, there's no real excitement. All the news is about other teams, so it's hard to stay engaged

As an outside observer, I side with BG here. Initial post said "not hearing anything, but stuff still might happen". Response basically said, "Stuff still happens, even when we don't hear anything". Follow-up basically said, "Um, yeah--that's what I said. Didn't you read my post?" Completely reasonable response. Nothing "dick"ish about it.

 

[Boise Blazer]

Cool historical info on #1 picks

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...tory-of-havingproducing-the-no-1-overall-pick

 

[Boise Blazer]

onathan Givony @DraftExpress
Teams indicating that OKC have refused to engage in any type of dialogue for #21 pick. Speculation is they may have promised someone there?

Chad Ford @chadfordinsider
One name to watch for Rockets at either #25 or #42 — Russian big man Artem Klimenko. They’ve been doing a deep dive researching him

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

As an outside observer, I side with BG here. Initial post said "not hearing anything, but stuff still might happen". Response basically said, "Stuff still happens, even when we don't hear anything". Follow-up basically said, "Um, yeah--that's what I said. Didn't you read my post?" Completely reasonable response. Nothing "dick"ish about it.

Thank you for the reasonable response.

Repped. Not for siding with me, but for proper reading comprehension (now that comment was "dickish", yes, but deserved).

 

[Boise Blazer]

Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
One somewhat surprising name some think OKC could pick at 21: Spencer Dinwiddie. Then at 29 likely go international (Inglis? Bogdanovic?)

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Ramona Shelburne @ramonashelburne
Hearing Clippers are "50-50" on keeping their 1st round pick. Covet salary cap flexibility for FAs, but if right guy is there, they'll keep

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
One somewhat surprising name some think OKC could pick at 21: Spencer Dinwiddie. Then at 29 likely go international (Inglis? Bogdanovic?)

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Ramona Shelburne @ramonashelburne
Hearing Clippers are "50-50" on keeping their 1st round pick. Covet salary cap flexibility for FAs, but if right guy is there, they'll keep

What's up with OKC and Colorado players now? Didn't they draft Roberson last season?

 

[Boise Blazer]

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
There are several picks in the late 20s "to be had," one exec says. With nine teams lacking first-round pick, strong market for them, too.

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
Motivation to trade late-first is to avoid using a roster spot -- and guaranteed contract -- on player who won't play. Stay classy, CBA.

Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN
If the Spurs could get anything for pick No. 30. I reckon they'd be willing to move it. It's a deep draft, but not 30 players deep.

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
Of teams without 1st-round picks, Dallas, Detroit, Indiana, New Orleans and Washington have full $3.2m available to buy pick.

 

[Boise Blazer]

More historical data:

http://www.draftexpress.com/NBA-draft-pick-stats/1/minutes/

 

[Boise Blazer]

arc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
Something to watch tonight: Hearing we could be in for high number of international picks in the 20-to-30 range of this once-vaunted draft

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
Reason being: Lust for cap space & luxury tax concerns could limit number of teams willing to take players in that range or buy those picks

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
Motivation to trade late-first is to avoid using a roster spot -- and guaranteed contract -- on player who won't play. Stay classy, CBA.

This is exactly why I suspect if we get into the draft, it'll be a late first-rounder (or a late-2nd to take a flier and obtain rights on a player they like), not a pick at the top of the 2nd round. I suspect Olshey would wait to see what's available before he makes a commitment.

 

[Boise Blazer]

Bill Simmons @BillSimmons
Celts not nearly as sold on Embiid as people think. The medicals worry them. Could still take him, more likely they trade down. (PS-Go USA!)

 

[Boise Blazer]

Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody
Hearing Jazz continue to "frantically" try to move up from the No. 5 spot. Everything Utah has remains available for trade consideration.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

As an outside observer, I side with BG here. Initial post said "not hearing anything, but stuff still might happen". Response basically said, "Stuff still happens, even when we don't hear anything". Follow-up basically said, "Um, yeah--that's what I said. Didn't you read my post?" Completely reasonable response. Nothing "dick"ish about it.

I didn't agree or disagree with his post. I was merely pointing out that this seems to be how Neil operates. I don't think it required him taking a shot at my post. Maybe you don't think someone questioning your comprehension is a slight, but I do.

 

[Eastoff]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
Motivation to trade late-first is to avoid using a roster spot -- and guaranteed contract -- on player who won't play. Stay classy, CBA.

This is exactly why I suspect if we get into the draft, it'll be a late first-rounder (or a late-2nd to take a flier and obtain rights on a player they like), not a pick at the top of the 2nd round. I suspect Olshey would wait to see what's available before he makes a commitment.

It seems like we might be able to steal a player at say 31, on a not guaranteed contract!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

It seems like we might be able to steal a player at say 31, on a not guaranteed contract!

Absolutely. But I think a late-first rounder is more likely than top of the 2nd round. I just think that the #31 pick likely costs more than, say, the number 27, simply on the basis of the guaranteed v. non-guaranteed.

 

[illmatic99]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
Motivation to trade late-first is to avoid using a roster spot -- and guaranteed contract -- on player who won't play. Stay classy, CBA.

This is exactly why I suspect if we get into the draft, it'll be a late first-rounder (or a late-2nd to take a flier and obtain rights on a player they like), not a pick at the top of the 2nd round. I suspect Olshey would wait to see what's available before he makes a commitment.

This is the case every year. But I'm not sure why we would spend our caspace on a late first rounder when we need FA money. Depends on who's available though.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

This is the case every year. But I'm not sure why we would spend our caspace on a late first rounder when we need FA money. Depends on who's available though.

We don't have capspace?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

blazers are over the cap so it doesnt matter THIS year. next offseason the 1+ million might be an issue but not one that is unsolvable.

this is more an issue for teams that are trying to clear max money, where the 1 million leaves them 1 million short

 

[illmatic99]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

We don't have capspace?

Even with the potential increase in the cap, Mo opting out, and the exceptions renounced?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

This is the case every year. But I'm not sure why we would spend our caspace on a late first rounder when we need FA money. Depends on who's available though.

No cap space. But a late 1st-rounder doesn't add much salary, anyhow. Not like it'd be hard to dump next year for a future second, if needed for cap space then. It's worth taking a flier.

I think we could add some cap space this year with several maneuvers, but I'd think we'd be in just the same place to be barely over and using the MLE. But to be fair, I haven't looked at the numbers for a couple months now.

 

[Boise Blazer]

Here we go ....

Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
The Knicks, Blazers and Nets are among the teams trying to acquire a first-round pick, according to league sources.

Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
There are a lot of teams that want to acquire an additional first-round pick, but the asking price for firsts is very high this year.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

Even with the potential increase in the cap, Mo opting out, and the exceptions renounced?

Sham has our total salaries sans Mo at $62.2M.

 

[RoyToy]

I couldn't be any less excited about trying to acquire 1st round pick

 

[illmatic99]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

No cap space. But a late 1st-rounder doesn't add much salary, anyhow. Not like it'd be hard to dump next year for a future second, if needed for cap space then. It's worth taking a flier.

I think we could add some cap space this year with several maneuvers, but I'd think we'd be in just the same place to be barely over and using the MLE. But to be fair, I haven't looked at the numbers for a couple months now.

So I just did a quick summing from storyteller's site.

With Mo gone, we're at 62.6 mil

Cap is expected to increase to > 63 mil

So we'd have about 1 mil of space.

If my understanding is correct, since we'd still be below the tax apron, if we renounce our MLE, would we not have the MLE (~5+ mil) plus our original 1 --> so about 6 mil? Someone correct me here if I'm wrong. I've been running with this capspace thing in my brain for a while here.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

If we get a pick that ends up being Kyle Anderson... I'd be pretty stoked.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't think Blazers want a late first round pick for the same reasons as other teams . . . it locks you into a contract and takes up a roster spot for a player that likely will not have much impact.

Blazers have enough projects on the bench and are locked into those players, adding another doesn't make a lot of sense. But maybe Olshey thinks there is gem out there that would be worth it . . .

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

So I just did a quick summing from storyteller's site.

With Mo gone, we're at 59.6 mil

Cap is expected to increase to > 63 mil

So we'd have about 3 mil of space.

If my understanding is correct, since we'd still be below the tax apron, if we renounce our MLE, would we not have the MLE (~5+ mil) plus our original 3 --> so about 8 mil? Someone correct me here if I'm wrong. I've been running with this 8mil capspace in my brain for a while here.

I guess it depends what the real current salary figure is. As Platypus pointed out, Sham has us at $62MM.

 

[illmatic99]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

I guess it depends what the real current salary figure is. As Platypus pointed out, Sham has us at $62MM.

Ya I didn't add Joel in my excel sheet-- oops

But still, I'm kinda confused as to how the renouncing of exceptions works

 

[Boise Blazer]

Probasketballdraft @Probballdraft
Hearing from various league sources that 1, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23, 24, 27, & 29 picks in round 1 are available.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Re: Official 2014 NBA Draft thread

So I just did a quick summing from storyteller's site.

With Mo gone, we're at 62.6 mil

Cap is expected to increase to > 63 mil

So we'd have about 1 mil of space.

If my understanding is correct, since we'd still be below the tax apron, if we renounce our MLE, would we not have the MLE (~5+ mil) plus our original 1 --> so about 6 mil? Someone correct me here if I'm wrong. I've been running with this capspace thing in my brain for a while here.

If that is correct (don't know), that extra million could be useful against other teams who are limited to the MLE when going after a player other teams want and fall into the MLE range.

Player could always use an extra million . . .