Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

[PtldPlatypus]

And people thought I was crazy...

The more she aligns herself with the establishment the worse it gets in the polling...

https://www.youtube.com/live/4HOFh-iuHSk?si=PyM8qJ2r06ahPcSi

As has been said elsewhere, the widely-held belief is that those who supported Hilary were so convinced of her poll superiority in 2016 that they essentially voluntarily suppressed themselves, which was what allowed Trump to surprisingly win that election.

This year, it's conceivable that all the worrying poll numbers will likely drive additional Harris suuporters to turn out.

Remember, if she carries the states she's expected to, the only "swing" states she needs are those which border a Great Lake. If she takes Wisconsin, Michigan, and (especially) Pennsylvania, she has it in the bag.

 

[Phatguysrule]

 

[crandc]

Nebraska is a Republican state with a Democratic county, the blue dot. Maine is a Democratic state with a red dot. They are the only two states not winner take all in presidential election.

Harris is campaigning for the blue dot in traditional fashion, advertising, supporters knocking on doors, etc.

Trump is campaigning for red dot by telling Maine voters their state is a Democratic run hellhole. His addled brain can't remember the name of the Maine governor, so Trump denounces all the terrible things "he" has done in "his" state.

The governor of Maine is a woman.

 

[crandc]

For any other candidate for president, revelation of repeated unauthorized contacts with Putin and secretly sending scarce Covid test kits, not for Russian front line medical workers, but for Putin's personal use, would be the October surprise. Totally disqualifying.

Trump still is treated differently. New York Times editor Bret Stephens said on so many words they hold Harris to higher standard.

Has it been she, banner headlines in every newspaper, top story on every newscast. Editorials in every newspaper calling on her to drop out of the race.

Whatever Trump does is fine. Not just with his cult.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Don must be a big fan, Tremendous!

 

[Road Ratt]

Israel conflict may affect the U.S. election

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...n&cvid=62767391f7e84fc18edde97ca2a3c1d5&ei=54

 

[Sheldon Shape]

... which was what allowed Trump to surprisingly win that election.

It wasn't that surprising. Americans have been begging for change since Obama and Trump offered it. You had an extremely unlikeable establishment candidate.

Kamala should be acting as the change candidate. She's not. This might come back to bite her in the ass. She has not been campaigning well after the first two weeks.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Israel conflict may affect the U.S. election

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...n&cvid=62767391f7e84fc18edde97ca2a3c1d5&ei=54

No shit. People who say the war won't hurt Kamala and the Democrats don't know what they're talking about.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It wasn't that surprising. Americans have been begging for change since Obama and Trump offered it. You had an extremely unlikeable establishment candidate.

Kamala should be acting as the change candidate. She's not. This might come back to bite her in the ass. She has not been campaigning well after the first two weeks.

Tough sell for her to act like the change candidate since she's already in a position of power... I don't think that would work...

 

[crandc]

Obama spoke in Pittsburgh tonight. Ridiculed Trump, asking if he ever changed a tire. Then kept laughing, saying he was trying to picture it. That's going to fray the poor fragile ego, since Trump tries to portray himself as Superman, even boasting of his beautiful body.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Tough sell for her to act like the change candidate since she's already in a position of power... I don't think that would work...

It worked for two weeks and then the consultants got her ear and moved her right and now she's slipping. It comes down to policy.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It worked for two weeks and then the consultants got her ear and moved her right and now she's slipping. It comes down to policy.

I don't think she was ever playing the change card though, was she?

What has she moved right on?

 

[PCmor7]

I don't think she was ever playing the change card though, was she?

What has she moved right on?

Not really, no. The pundits that keep saying what she has to do keep saying either she or Trump has to run as a change candidate, which I think is ridiculous.

Neither really can be a change candidate. The bad of the last four years was a direct result of Trump's four years that preceded it. Trump owns a lot of this, so how can he be a change agent? Plus, he failed, he's incompetent, he's cognitively challenged and he tried to overthrow the government. She's part of the last administration which oversaw a recovery from COVID that was better than any in the world. Tweak a few things, keep on that path, and things are going to right themselves.

I've been a member of the media, but there's a tendency particularly with the long news cycle to have to make up news and overthink things. There also are too many people who failed in one job who someone wind up as analysts in the media and use it as an opportunity to repair their egos after their Ls.

They keep putting these qualifiers and elevated bars and conditions on Harris and never pay attention that she literally just needs to be better than an unqualified, deranged chaos agent. She's waaaaaay above that.

It's like the people saying they won't vote for her because this administration doesn't do enough for the Palestinians without seeing the alternative is a president that would give Bibi everything and more to wipe the Palestinians off the map entirely. Dumb. Making perfect the enemy of good.

 

[MickZagger]

Obama spoke in Pittsburgh tonight. Ridiculed Trump, asking if he ever changed a tire. Then kept laughing, saying he was trying to picture it. That's going to fray the poor fragile ego, since Trump tries to portray himself as Superman, even boasting of his beautiful body.

If only the media put it all over the place.

 

[beast blazer]

She is so phony...

 

[beast blazer]

He was president for COVID.

Our country took a bigger economic hit and loss of life hit than most similar nations.

Trump left office, Biden took over and the rebound has been better to the point we're now ahead of most of those nations.

Trying to qualify things for Trump just makes him and you look weak. We have data with which to compare. He failed. His handling of the pandemic is the reason the economy tanked under him. And the economy he inherited from Obama was improving at the same rate under Trump that it did under Obama ... in other words, Trump just didn't break something that was working until he did.

The various edicts that shut down the economy were mostly state and local edicts. And it the Democraps pushed those far harder. Trump should have done more to fight back AGAINST the criminals like Fauci who were promoting those policies.

But Trump was the voice saying we should open up, so blaming it on him rather than the side who was actively promoting it is absurd.

All this tripe about "everything good that happened under Trump was because of Obama and every thing bad was because of Trump". That's just mindless drivel. It's like playing volleyball without the net.

 

[crandc]

Dementia Don has a real bug up his very large ass over 60 Minutes interview with Harris, which was anything but a puff piece. He knows based on voices in his head that she gave completely incoherent replies which CBS cut and pasted to make her sound good. They do opposite to him. He says brilliant things they alter to sound incoherent. It's illegal election interference! Harris needs to cefe the race now! CBS needs to lose broadcast license!

Not scared much?

But if he is elected he has made it clear he will use FCC to yank license from any network that criticizes him.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The various edicts that shut down the economy were mostly state and local edicts. And it the Democraps pushed those far harder. Trump should have done more to fight back AGAINST the criminals like Fauci who were promoting those policies.

But Trump was the voice saying we should open up, so blaming it on him rather than the side who was actively promoting it is absurd.

All this tripe about "everything good that happened under Trump was because of Obama and every thing bad was because of Trump". That's just mindless drivel. It's like playing volleyball without the net.

"Shutting stuff down" wasn't the problem. The problem was not taking the proper precautions.

The states which were less strict on COVID saw 30% higher excess mortality than the states that were more strict.

The US was among the worst in the world on COVID policy and results during Trump's term and has been a world leader under Biden and Harris.

He inherited a fantastic economy from Obama and torpedoed it with incompetent corruption. He did nothing except take away tax deductions of blue collar Americans and gave the excess to the wealthy.

That's been terrible for the economy. Absolutely horrible. And that's even without his screw ups on COVID. In which he encouraged Americans to ignore the epidemic and engage in risky behavior that resulted in increased suffering, death, and reduced economic activity.

 

[beast blazer]

Polling the audience, is this satire or sincere?

 

[Phatguysrule]

But if he is elected he has made it clear he will use FCC to yank license from any network that criticizes him.

Just like Putin did in Russia

 

[beast blazer]

"Shutting stuff down" wasn't the problem. The problem was not taking the proper precautions.

The states which were less strict on COVID saw 30% higher excess mortality than the states that were more strict.

The US was among the worst in the world on COVID policy and results during Trump's term and has been a world leader under Biden and Harris.

He literally inherited a fantastic economy from Obama and torpedoed it with incompetent corruption. He did nothing except take away tax deductions of blue collar Americans and gave the excess to the wealthy.

That's been terrible for the economy. Absolutely horrible. And that's even without his screw ups on COVID.

Hmm, so we should have shut down the economy longer and harder, and that would have made the economy better? Wow, ok.

And the lockdown idea has been utterly defeated. Yet there are still pockets of deranged lefties (mostly on the East and West coast) that still opine the days of the lockdown. You probably want to bring them back at the next time some scary sniffles come around. We've never applied such wide sweeping matures, treating everyone as though they are infectious.

https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-...ed-lockdowns-did-little-to-limit-covid-deaths

 

[Phatguysrule]

Hmm, so we should have shut down the economy longer and harder, and that would have made the economy better? Wow, ok.

And the lockdown idea has been utterly defeated. Yet there are still pockets of deranged lefties (mostly on the East and West coast) that still opine the days of the lockdown. You probably want to bring them back at the next time some scary sniffles come around. We've never applied such wide sweeping matures, treating everyone as though they are infectious.

https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-...ed-lockdowns-did-little-to-limit-covid-deaths

These findings indicate that collectively, stringent COVID-19 restrictions were associated with substantial decreases in excess deaths during the pandemic.

JAMA Health Forum. 2024 Jul; 5(7): e242006.
Published online 2024

Findings

This cross-sectional analysis including all 50 US states plus the District of Columbia found that if all states had imposed COVID-19 restrictions similar to those used in the 10 most (least) restrictive states, excess deaths would have been an estimated 10% to 21% lower (13%-17% higher) than the 1.18 million that actually occurred during the 2-year period analyzed. Behavior changes were associated with 49% to 79% of this overall difference.

*Edit* That is 247,800 american deaths due to policies that Trump and republicans supported and encouraged.

 

[julius]

These findings indicate that collectively, stringent COVID-19 restrictions were associated with substantial decreases in excess deaths during the pandemic.

JAMA Health Forum. 2024 Jul; 5(7): e242006.
Published online 2024

Findings

This cross-sectional analysis including all 50 US states plus the District of Columbia found that if all states had imposed COVID-19 restrictions similar to those used in the 10 most (least) restrictive states, excess deaths would have been an estimated 10% to 21% lower (13%-17% higher) than the 1.18 million that actually occurred during the 2-year period analyzed. Behavior changes were associated with 49% to 79% of this overall difference.

Oh sure, use studies. I heard it from my uncle on Facebook that he personally knew someone who got the jab and died in a car accident.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I don't think she was ever playing the change card though, was she?

What has she moved right on?

Walz was change. A legit progressive. Talking about price gouging before msm jumped all over her. That was change.

Now she's going on TV and saying she wouldn't do anything different than Biden's last 4 years? Yeesh. That's how you lose an election. You can see in interviews she's conceding that it's not "realistic" to get a lot of progressive agendas that she initially championed done. That's consultant speak. They are running her to the middle to be the more establishment candidate.

There are two choices. The one who make themselves more of the change candidate will win. Trump is getting away with that right now because Kamala is bringing in the Cheneys and the establishment to her side.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[beast blazer]

These findings indicate that collectively, stringent COVID-19 restrictions were associated with substantial decreases in excess deaths during the pandemic.

JAMA Health Forum. 2024 Jul; 5(7): e242006.
Published online 2024

Findings

This cross-sectional analysis including all 50 US states plus the District of Columbia found that if all states had imposed COVID-19 restrictions similar to those used in the 10 most (least) restrictive states, excess deaths would have been an estimated 10% to 21% lower (13%-17% higher) than the 1.18 million that actually occurred during the 2-year period analyzed. Behavior changes were associated with 49% to 79% of this overall difference.

*Edit* That is 247,800 american deaths due to policies that Trump and republicans supported and encouraged.

You need to refine your critical thinking skills. Southern States had higher death rates before covid. They have more poverty, more obesity. So studies like the one you point out are just put out as propaganda tools.

Stop swallowing the BS.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You need to refine your critical thinking skills. Southern States had higher death rates before covid. They have more poverty, more obesity. So studies like the one you point out are just put out as propaganda tools.

Stop swallowing the BS.

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Lol

Nice try. Read the study. Each state was compared to their own numbers the two years prior to the pandemic. So the south prior death rates were taken into consideration and these were excess deaths above and beyond typical.

But keep reaching...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Walz was change. A legit progressive. Talking about price gouging before msm jumped all over her. That was change.

Now she's going on TV and saying she wouldn't do anything different than Biden's last 4 years? Yeesh. That's how you lose an election. You can see in interviews she's conceding that it's not "realistic" to get a lot of progressive agendas that she initially championed done. That's consultant speak. They are running her to the middle to be the more establishment candidate.

There are two choices. The one who make themselves more of the change candidate will win. Trump is getting away with that right now because Kamala is bringing in the Cheneys and the establishment to her side.

I honestly haven't been paying much attention as I've already made up my mind.

But I'm not at all surprised if Harris is moving more to center. That was always going to happen. She'll be as center as center can be. Whatever it takes to get her funding. Just like virtually every other Democrat.

Which is still far better than Trump.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I honestly haven't been paying much attention as I've already made up my mind.

But I'm not at all surprised if Harris is moving more to center. That was always going to happen. She'll be as center as center can be. Whatever it takes to get her funding. Just like virtually every other Democrat.

Which is still far better than Trump.

And that's why she's slipping in the polls. Nobody wants center. Nobody wants establishment. The country has been crying for change since Obama and they haven't gotten it. Moving to the center gets you funding, but loses you votes...

 

[Phatguysrule]

And that's why she's slipping in the polls. Nobody wants center. Nobody wants establishment. The country has been crying for change since Obama and they haven't gotten it. Moving to the center gets you funding, but loses you votes...

Trump is better for the rich than a real progressive. So the Democratic Party will not support a real progressive. They'd lose all of their financial backing to Trump.