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AmirIcon said:
Theory does not match what the status quo is doing to those people. I'm not hopeful he'll be any better but I don't begrudge people taking that chance.
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We could have bullied Kamala into agreeing with our position. We bully Democrats left all the time; look at gay marriage. Biden’s political moves were callous but indicated Democrats were going to go left after the election. Now that will not happen and people here will also die in the tire fire. I’m glad you think you remained pure in your politics but it did not save anyone. It will kill more.
 
AmirIcon said:
Theory does not match what the status quo is doing to those people. I'm not hopeful he'll be any better but I don't begrudge people taking that chance.
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He's not. We have already seen.
 
jonnyboy said:
One side is actually trying to put forth a message to those average people while the other side is trotting out celebrities to shame and guilt trip them based solely on race, gender and other identity based factors.
I certainly don’t think all Republicans are acting in good faith by any means, at least not the establishment Rinos. But at the very least some their messaging is on point. There is also an anti-establishment wing of the Republican party which the Democrats simply do not posess. The Democratic party IS the establishment in every sense of the word.
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Bullshit. The Republicans aren't putting forth any helpful message. They are selling ocean front property to people without an ocean.
 
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They thought this has something to do with a protest at first.
 
Chris Craig said:
Kamala didn't do well with framing her ideas for dealing with the middle east (Trump didn't either but that's not an issue for him) if she were to get elected. She had voters on both sides of the issue to cater to and she failed to do that. She ignored it by not picking Shapiro and not talking a whole lot about the situation.

I guess she thought it better to not risk stirring the pot and making it appear she was picking sides or speaking out against one and for another. She should have been more vocal about the situation, been willing to face up to it more.

In the end though, I don't think that it is what cost her the election. A lot people didn't turn out or vote for her for other reasons.

Also, if you don't think Trump is going to back Netanyahu bombing Palestine off the map, I don't know what to tell you.
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agree. She selected Tim because hoping he would rub well with the bro's. Shapiro would have been a win.
 
Not a fan of Stephen A and ambivalent to The View, but I thought there were some worthwhile thoughts on this segment.

 
Everything Beagle said:
We could have bullied Kamala into agreeing with our position. We bully Democrats left all the time; look at gay marriage. Biden’s political moves were callous but indicated Democrats were going to go left after the election. Now that will not happen and people here will also die in the tire fire. I’m glad you think you remained pure in your politics but it did not save anyone. It will kill more.
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Numbers disagree with you. If all the Stein voters voted the other way, Trump would have still won.

My vote is irrelevant since I vote in California. The chastising from Democratic voters is really something to look at for years to come. They do it every time they march a garbage candidate up there and try to make you eat it.

I'm not voting out of fear anymore. Give me a reason to vote for you or not. Every 4 years Democrats say this is the most important election of our lifetimes and offer next to nothing. People are tired of being gaslit. If you don't want Demigods like Trump, demand better candidates who offer to actually help people.
 
PCmor7 said:
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Don't you think these types of statements backfire? How many years has this threat been occurring.....from both parties? Massive cuts to social security seem unlikely when it would be an automatic death sentence for any politician who voted for it.
 
AmirIcon said:
When? When was there a genocide happening under Trump? Just curious. I can understand thinking he won't be any better but where did we already see it?
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We have seen what a shitty president he is. He is also good pals with Netanyahu. He is going to let him wipe Palestine and Iran off the map. You think he cares?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Don't you think these types of statements backfire? How many years has this threat been occurring.....from both parties? Massive cuts to social security seem unlikely when it would be an automatic death sentence for any politician who voted for it.
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They could. The Republicans have been talking about doing this for awhile. They want to get rid of social security and privatize retirement. They haven't been able to because of slim majorities or being in the minority. Also, being loud about it like this, stops them from doing it. They can't very well do it and get away with it with people screaming they are going to do it.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Don't you think these types of statements backfire? How many years has this threat been occurring.....from both parties? Massive cuts to social security seem unlikely when it would be an automatic death sentence for any politician who voted for it.
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Musk not being a politician or someone with any history of civil service has to be considered here.

Trump doesn't care. He's got four years to make as much money as he can. He's in it for the grift. He wants to turn Gaza into a resort and put up a Trump Plaza in Moscow. Elon's not going to run for anything. His whole career has been buying stuff and using his resources to make it make more money for him than it could have for its developer. He's a cost-cutter with his businesses.

I just find it hilarious that the moment it turns out he's probably going to be put in a really important public position now his first thing is to ask people to be easy on him because things are going to be rough for a while. Mr. Post Anything At All On Twitter now is asking for prudence and tolerance.

Some of these people, I think, are starting to figure out what they've stepped in to and a lot of people like me have said "OK, you said it'd be easy, so run it now."
 
AmirIcon said:
Numbers disagree with you. If all the Stein voters voted the other way, Trump would have still won.

My vote is irrelevant since I vote in California. The chastising from Democratic voters is really something to look at for years to come. They do it every time they march a garbage candidate up there and try to make you eat it.

I'm not voting out of fear anymore. Give me a reason to vote for you or not. Every 4 years Democrats say this is the most important election of our lifetimes and offer next to nothing. People are tired of being gaslit. If you don't want Demigods like Trump, demand better candidates who offer to actually help people.
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Your immature shit fitting isn't becoming.
 
Chris Craig said:
We have seen what a shitty president he is. He is also good pals with Netanyahu. He is going to let him wipe Palestine and Iran off the map. You think he cares?
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Your opinions are not only hypothetical, they directly contradict Trumps first term. The Democrats actions the last 4 years are tangible and measurable. You could vote for a rock and at least have the small chance of getting something different. Democrats have already shown what they were about and didn’t offer any change.
It’s kind of a no brainer.
 
Chris Craig said:
They could. The Republicans have been talking about doing this for awhile. They want to get rid of social security and privatize retirement. They haven't been able to because of slim majorities or being in the minority. Also, being loud about it like this, stops them from doing it. They can't very well do it and get away with it with people screaming they are going to do it.
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I suppose it could help. But it also could backfire. Trying to scare the shit out of everyone on every topic, regardless if it's true, seems counterproductive.

The problem with "The Boy Who Called Wolf" (in this case Nate Lerner who is a Democratic Strategist from NY) is that people start tuning it all out when things don't happen as promised. Then when a legitimate concern occurs not enough people are paying attention.

Look I really hate defending Trump in any way, but at the same time, I really don't want another 4 years like last time where people, like my neighbors, went ape shit on everything. For example, they were scared to death that Trump would start a nuclear war with North Korea. Then they were pissed that he "legitimized their regime" by meeting with them at a summit.

I just think people need to be more selective with their scare tactics, otherwise, it just gives more fodder to news cable shows to make fun of when it doesn't happen.
 
jonnyboy said:
Mmm Hmm. Yeah i’m the one patronizing. Never an introspective thought with you guys huh? Always looking outward for the blame.
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If you look outward you see what's right in front of your eyes. If it's truly fucked up you'll probably blame it for being truly fucked up..Most folks can handle that without turning into Karens. You might want to look beyond a basketball msg board for folk's introspective contemplations though, just sayin'
 
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