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Meh... IMO Harden committed two offensive fouls on this play. The push-off is obvious, but not my point. Who jumps almost 3 feet forward on a step back three? Ok, he is allowed to jump however he wants and he has a right to his landing space. BUT the natural landing space on this shot is still past the three point line if you watch his center of gravity. Yet his feet end up way inside the three point line in Green's landing space. The whole thing is a farce, designed primarily to draw three FT's. The rotating backward, falling down, kicking forward of feet is completely artificial. Offensive foul.

 
Someone explain to me how this is a foul...



Harden starts his shot with his legs behind him, and then after he shoots it, he throws his legs out in front of him. It looks to me like he's trying to draw that contact.
 
Someone explain to me how this is a foul...



Harden starts his shot with his legs behind him, and then after he shoots it, he throws his legs out in front of him. It looks to me like he's trying to draw that contact.

It's a sweep and sway, its not unnatural to the game.

But i would like to see that go uncalled.
 
Someone explain to me how this is a foul...



Harden starts his shot with his legs behind him, and then after he shoots it, he throws his legs out in front of him. It looks to me like he's trying to draw that contact.


If you watch him shoot a wide open three, his feet usually do end up a few feet forward from take off. So I think this one is a defensive foul. But if Harden kicks his legs in any unnatural way (which he does often) and there is contact, it should be called an offensive foul and any made three should be taken away.
 
Here is one by Chris Paul. From this angle it looks like a defensive foul. But if you watch the slow motion replay on your DVR from behind Chris Paul, he bends his body in a completely artificial way in order to stick his butt way over to the right. Without that, Livingston may have avoided all contact. Therefore I would call this an offensive foul and take away the made three. If you want to cure this BS you have to call offensive fouls. It's not enough to no call.

 
Meh... IMO Harden committed two offensive fouls on this play. The push-off is obvious, but not my point. Who jumps almost 3 feet forward on a step back three? Ok, he is allowed to jump however he wants and he has a right to his landing space. BUT the natural landing space on this shot is still past the three point line if you watch his center of gravity. Yet his feet end up way inside the three point line in Green's landing space. The whole thing is a farce, designed primarily to draw three FT's. The rotating backward, falling down, kicking forward of feet is completely artificial. Offensive foul.



That's a very good point actually.
 
Someone explain to me how this is a foul...



Harden starts his shot with his legs behind him, and then after he shoots it, he throws his legs out in front of him. It looks to me like he's trying to draw that contact.

it should be offensive
 
Meh... IMO Harden committed two offensive fouls on this play. The push-off is obvious, but not my point. Who jumps almost 3 feet forward on a step back three? Ok, he is allowed to jump however he wants and he has a right to his landing space. BUT the natural landing space on this shot is still past the three point line if you watch his center of gravity. Yet his feet end up way inside the three point line in Green's landing space. The whole thing is a farce, designed primarily to draw three FT's. The rotating backward, falling down, kicking forward of feet is completely artificial. Offensive foul.


agreed
 
@dviss1 Ive said it before but Id love to watch a Rockets game with you and get your perspective on Harden / CP3... Ive seen plenty of “star rules” in the NBA but Ive never seen a tandem that does so much to just get calls and I feel like Harden is very gifted at drawing contact but some of the stuff he does I just dont get how he gets those calls. This GS / Houston series seems like will be decided by what the refs allow or dont allow and your perspective would just be awesome to hear.
 
@dviss1 Ive said it before but Id love to watch a Rockets game with you and get your perspective on Harden / CP3... Ive seen plenty of “star rules” in the NBA but Ive never seen a tandem that does so much to just get calls and I feel like Harden is very gifted at drawing contact but some of the stuff he does I just dont get how he gets those calls. This GS / Houston series seems like will be decided by what the refs allow or dont allow and your perspective would just be awesome to hear.
Yes dviss! Come be a guest on our podcast!
 
Everyone from their players to coaches to fans seems convinced that the refs had it out against Houston. They think it's egregious and refs/Silver are out to get them. Talk about delusional.

I think there were some missed undercuts... but that's just just karma. By the time the ref looks down, he's not sure if Harden fake-contorted his body or if it was a real foul. Everyone else is playing basketball while the Rockets are like a billionaire seeking tax loopholes in the NBA code.
 
I think there were some missed undercuts... but that's just just karma. By the time the ref looks down, he's not sure if Harden fake-contorted his body or if it was a real foul.

Sorry, but this is just completely wrong.

Cardinal rule of refereeing an airborne shooter:

STAY WITH THE SHOOTER. This is refereeing 101.

The referee must watch the shooter jump then land BEFORE they look at the shot going in.

Watching the shot before he lands = bad refereeing
 
Sorry, but this is just completely wrong.

Cardinal rule of refereeing an airborne shooter:

STAY WITH THE SHOOTER. This is refereeing 101.

The referee must watch the shooter jump then land BEFORE they look at the shot going in.

Watching the shot before he lands = bad refereeing

I wasn't saying the ref should be looking at the shot going in/out before looking at the landing. I was referring to what Steve Javie said: The ref often has a split second between
(1) Looking up - Watching the act of shooting to see if the player is fouled during the shot or follow through.
(2) Looking down - To see if the player's landing was invaded.

If the ref doesn't completely see the landing part because he's focusing too much on the "up" part, he may be guessing as to whether the defender undercut or the offensive player artificially expanded his landing area as Harden is known to do.

 
I wasn't saying the ref should be looking at the shot going in/out before looking at the landing. I was referring to what Steve Javie said: The ref often has a split second between
(1) Looking up - Watching the act of shooting to see if the player is fouled during the shot or follow through.
(2) Looking down - To see if the player's landing was invaded.

If the ref doesn't completely see the landing part because he's focusing too much on the "up" part, he may be guessing as to whether the defender undercut or the offensive player artificially expanded his landing area as Harden is known to do.


According to the NBA, the officials made the correct call there:
https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0041800221
 
....... no....... you don’t.

Nobody gets to decide who is and who is not a real fan. And if you have that opinion then you can keep it to yourself.
Depends on how you define 'decide'.
Everybody has a right to their opinion on the subject. If they try to force that opinion on others, that would be going too far but expressing it as an opinion is their God given right.
 
Sounds like the most significant missed call was when Steph bumped Harden out of bounds with a little over a minute left, and they called it a turnover on Houston instead of Curry fouling out of the game.
 
Steve Javie said: The ref often has a split second between
(1) Looking up - Watching the act of shooting to see if the player is fouled during the shot or follow through.
(2) Looking down - To see if the player's landing was invaded.

If the ref doesn't completely see the landing part because he's focusing too much on the "up" part, he may be guessing as to whether the defender undercut or the offensive player artificially expanded his landing area as Harden is known to do.

Wish I'd have heard him say that. It sounds stupid.

It's exceptionally easy to be positioned so you can see the entire shooter's body.
 
It's exceptionally easy to be positioned so you can see the entire shooter's body.

I see you say that a lot, but have you considered that the players are much bigger (blocking more sight lines) the action much, much faster (leaving one frequently of out position as alignments shift), and the shooting range much deeper (limiting good places to view all angles from) than what you're accustomed to reffing? It's not the answer to every situation, but my rule of thumb is, black and white answers are usually wrong. Gotta acknowledge the gray areas.
 
Wish I'd have heard him say that. It sounds stupid.

It's exceptionally easy to be positioned so you can see the entire shooter's body.

Sure. But isn't it possible to have something in your field of view, but your mind is so focused on one thing that you kind of miss another? I've never reffed so I don't know. All I know is, since Harden and CP3 routinely artificially expand their landing area in attempt to draw fake fouls, I'm happy with yesterday's outcome. I would prefer that refs correctly called all undercuts and correctly called offensive fouls whenever there is contact accompanied by artificial kickouts & butt outs by the offensive player. That way they might quit doing this BS.
 
Harden's 3pnt attempt with 10 seconds left.

Ok. Took me a while to understand how to read that thing. I think Harden committed two offensive fouls on that play. (1) He pushed off. (2) He kicked his feet out on purpose into Green's space, creating fake contact.
 
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