OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: DECEMBER 2023

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Whyachi said:
I watched a local Detroit news broadcast on the Pistons losing streak. Those TV news jerks bragged about how much money you could have made if you had placed bets on Detroit losing every game this season. That's a low blow maaan, there's more to basketball then placing bets. They're young men in a terrible slump, not a freaking jackpot slot machine.
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It's 10000-1. It'll never happen. Lol. I'd hope there'd be some bet like "Detroit going on a 5 game winning streak" I'd bet that cause I think they can.
 
I like it for both teams. Knicks really needed players like Achiuwa and OG. Raptors needed to get something for OG and begin their rebuild. Quickley is awesome; he's going to cook in Toronto.

I'm mildly worried the Warriors will want to go all in and trade for Siakam. It wouldn't make a ton of sense, but it's the sort of sneaky shit I could see GS doing.
 
illmatic99 said:
Laughable return for Toronto. Ujiri is so overrated. The audacity of him to ask for all he did from Portland last year..... Got just what he deserves.
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Not a single first in the trade. Hilarious.

I think Quickley is good though.
 
Webster and Ujiri held on too long, OG's value dipped, but this trade today, I think, is pretty good. Did not get a first round pick (the Detroit 2nd is close) but did get two young players. There are Raptors fans who would've traded OG for Quickley straight-up, FWIW.

At times this season OG has looked checked-out. Maybe this was coming for a while? His camp allegedly wasn't willing to discuss an extension during the summer or this season (presumably a max offer was not coming). He'll always be warmly received in Toronto despite missing the championship playoff run. His quirky personality will be remembered, as will his buzzer-beater in the bubble against the Celtics.

The trade addresses immediate and long-term needs for the Raptors. They went from having arguably the worst guard rotation in the NBA (Trent-Schröder-Flynn) to having a good one (Quickley-Barrett-Trent-Schröder), got younger, and added two players who can keep up with Barnes (plus the pick). I was encouraged by Barrett's play during the World Cup. He was fast and aggressive and shot .526/.373. He's not going to become what he was drafted to be but a Warriors Wiggins-type player, super hardworking, doesn't demand the ball--I can live with that. The price tag seems high today but won't in a couple years as the cap continues to rise.

The Toronto media will focus on hometown boy Barrett but the centrepiece of the trade is Quickley, who needs to be re-signed, but fits the Raptors (can create his own shot, hit floaters, stop-and-pop, and be a good two-man game partner with Barnes). Toronto hasn't had a player like that since Lowry (FVV was too slow, Trent is too limited). If Quickley can be our Maxey that's going to open things up a lot for Barnes and Siakam (who I assume we are keeping and re-signing). He's the kind of player the Knicks and most teams would not have traded if not for the fact he's behind Brunson in the rotation. The Knicks fans are unhappy to lose him which is a good sign.

With Toronto not wanting to give OG a $35MM+/year contract, keeping Quickley's extension reasonable will be a priority. From what we've seen, his camp was at $25MM/year and the Knicks were at $18MM/year last season, which led to him not signing. If the Raptors are paying $50MM for Quickley/Barrett vs. $37MM for OG, I think having the two players is better value.

Would not be surprised to see Schröder traded. He's displaced and is a serviceable energy bench player for playoff teams. Would be surprised to see Siakam traded. Barnes' three-point shooting explosion has made it possible to keep them together. Obviously they will struggle against the MVP-level big men but that's kinda the case for every team. Barnes idolizes Siakam despite being the guy to usurp him. Poeltl has been a terrible fit. I'm not certain our team has the balls to trade him after spending a first to get him. Feels like there would be suitors for him due to his efficiency but he's had a bad season (rarely plays in crunch time).

Best of luck to Flynn and Precious who will be free agents. I can see Flynn never seeing the floor under that greasy bastard Thibs. That's going to hurt his chances of sticking in the league. Someone will buy Precious' waning potential. About once a month he unleashes the beast for two-three games but then goes back to being the poorest decision maker on the team. Still needs a lot of refinement.
 
speeds said:
Webster and Ujiri held on too long, OG's value dipped, but this trade today, I think, is pretty good. Did not get a first round pick (the Detroit 2nd is close) but did get two young players. There are Raptors fans who would've traded OG for Quickley straight-up, FWIW.

At times this season OG has looked checked-out. Maybe this was coming for a while? His camp allegedly wasn't willing to discuss an extension during the summer or this season (presumably a max offer was not coming). He'll always be warmly received in Toronto despite missing the championship playoff run. His quirky personality will be remembered, as will his buzzer-beater in the bubble against the Celtics.

The trade addresses immediate and long-term needs for the Raptors. They went from having arguably the worst guard rotation in the NBA (Trent-Schröder-Flynn) to having a good one (Quickley-Barrett-Trent-Schröder), got younger, and added two players who can keep up with Barnes (plus the pick). I was encouraged by Barrett's play during the World Cup. He was fast and aggressive and shot .526/.373. He's not going to become what he was drafted to be but a Warriors Wiggins-type player, super hardworking, doesn't demand the ball--I can live with that. The price tag seems high today but won't in a couple years as the cap continues to rise.

The Toronto media will focus on hometown boy Barrett but the centrepiece of the trade is Quickley, who needs to be re-signed, but fits the Raptors (can create his own shot, hit floaters, stop-and-pop, and be a good two-man game partner with Barnes). Toronto hasn't had a player like that since Lowry (FVV was too slow, Trent is too limited). If Quickley can be our Maxey that's going to open things up a lot for Barnes and Siakam (who I assume we are keeping and re-signing). He's the kind of player the Knicks and most teams would not have traded if not for the fact he's behind Brunson in the rotation. The Knicks fans are unhappy to lose him which is a good sign.

With Toronto not wanting to give OG a $35MM+/year contract, keeping Quickley's extension reasonable will be a priority. From what we've seen, his camp was at $25MM/year and the Knicks were at $18MM/year last season, which led to him not signing. If the Raptors are paying $50MM for Quickley/Barrett vs. $37MM for OG, I think having the two players is better value.

Would not be surprised to see Schröder traded. He's displaced and is a serviceable energy bench player for playoff teams. Would be surprised to see Siakam traded. Barnes' three-point shooting explosion has made it possible to keep them together. Obviously they will struggle against the MVP-level big men but that's kinda the case for every team. Barnes idolizes Siakam despite being the guy to usurp him. Poeltl has been a terrible fit. I'm not certain our team has the balls to trade him after spending a first to get him. Feels like there would be suitors for him due to his efficiency but he's had a bad season (rarely plays in crunch time).

Best of luck to Flynn and Precious who will be free agents. I can see Flynn never seeing the floor under that greasy bastard Thibs. That's going to hurt his chances of sticking in the league. Someone will buy Precious' waning potential. About once a month he unleashes the beast for two-three games but then goes back to being the poorest decision maker on the team. Still needs a lot of refinement.
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I think Quickley will be a stud for you guys. Not a star, but very good.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Kevin Knox is starting for the Pistons.
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For the Pistons...
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Happens to all players and teams. He botched the last possession anyways.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah that was bullshit but I guess everyone even the best player of this generation gets fucked sometimes.
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I can really appreciate you calling him the best player of his generation.
That IMO should be the way he should be described.
I’m pretty tired of the GOAT conversation.
 
i don't trust that still photo of LeBron's toe a half mm behind the line. Click forward 1 micro-second, and i bet we'd see James' sneaker grabbing paint. The controversy began after LeBron saw his own toe behind the line on the freeze frame replay... but was that on the rewind and not the complete replay? Out of context freakout? Or do the refs just suck and they should all get fired?
 
Whyachi said:
i don't trust that still photo of LeBron's toe a half mm behind the line. Click forward 1 micro-second, and i bet we'd see James' sneaker grabbing paint. The controversy began after LeBron saw his own toe behind the line on the freeze frame replay... but was that on the rewind and not the complete replay? Out of context freakout? Or do the refs just suck and they should all get fired?
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The refs reviewed it. It wasn't just an eye test. They looked back at the footage and saw his foot crossed the line before he shot. It was close. One still photo doesn't show the whole picture.
 
Chris Craig said:
The refs reviewed it. It wasn't just an eye test. They looked back at the footage and saw his foot crossed the line before he shot. It was close. One still photo doesn't show the whole picture.
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this fella wanted the refs to count it a 3, because it was LeBron's birthday, and the Lakers deserved a chance for overtime victory. But he's also showing the frame forward still photo of LBJ's toe, and there's definitely a hairline of shoe rubber on the line during the shot.

The League officially ruled the replay "inconclusive", and the call on the floor stands. The Lakers need to spend more on secret lavish gifts for NBA referee's, then every close call can swing towards helping Los Angeles win basketball games.

https://youtube.com/shorts/VXAw-f2jPfg?si=5GYos-cUmgAWQRZe
 
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