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Cugel said:
Portland is smelling like a 7th or 8th seed to me. Dallas is likely to overtake them, SA could too but less likely, especially if they unload talent tomorrow. But the 8th has to deal with the play-in stuff IIRC.
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If we stay on the very same pace (v.bad against good teams and better against -.500 we still go for 41:31, so I say 6 or even 5 (when Lakers go down).
 
Cugel said:
Portland is smelling like a 7th or 8th seed to me. Dallas is likely to overtake them, SA could too but less likely, especially if they unload talent tomorrow. But the 8th has to deal with the play-in stuff IIRC.
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I don't see Dallas as such a good team that I'd put money on that. Dallas has a lot of really mediocre, streaky players who, when they get hot with Luka, can beat about anyone but aren't good enough to remain hot consistently so they also can lose to just about anyone. Is there anyone on that roster or in that rotation aside from Doncic that fans or GMs look at and say "We really neeeeeeed that guy"?
 
PCmor7 said:
I don't see Dallas as such a good team that I'd put money on that. Dallas has a lot of really mediocre, streaky players who, when they get hot with Luka, can beat about anyone but aren't good enough to remain hot consistently so they also can lose to just about anyone. Is there anyone on that roster or in that rotation aside from Doncic that fans or GMs look at and say "We really neeeeeeed that guy"?
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Sounds like you just described another team i watch quite a bit.
 
kjironman1 said:
Sounds like you just described another team i watch quite a bit.
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Probably, but I look at the Blazers and I think there's really more interest across the league in a player like McCollum than anyone on the Mavs other than Luka. Our fans tend to see CJ's flaws where I know a lot of fans of other teams see his assets.

Same with Nurk. The injuries are a question, obviously. However, when he's been playing the last couple of years vs., say, Porzingis, I think most hardcore fans and NBA people would rather have Nurk than the unicorn.

Or looking for a developing player with a really high ceiling, is there anyone on the Mavs that compares to Nas? Nas might be a lottery ticket at this point, but the Mavs don't even have a stub.

Sure, the Mavs have guys that we or other teams might not mind having, but they don't have a lot of guys we or other NBA teams wish they had.
 
wizenheimer said:
Dame & CJ would benefit if they could play defense like Conley and Mitchell
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Id still take Dame & CJ over Conley and Mitchell. If neither can play defense, that means we have an all world guard that cant play defense? Sort of like Melo in his Prime all world but no D?
Conley has always been a scrapper on D for sure. Also, Dame and CJ would benefit if they had wings that could shoot consistently like Utah.
 
Hoopguru said:
Id still take Dame & CJ over Conley and Mitchell. If neither can play defense, that means we have an all world guard that cant play defense? Sort of like Melo in his Prime all world but no D?
Conley has always been a scrapper on D for sure. Also, Dame and CJ would benefit if they had wings that could shoot consistently like Utah.
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The big thing is they have Clarkson coming off the bench. He's always been a scorer, but he looks like the second coming of Lou Williams this year.

And Conley's a nice player. Very much underappreciated. Anyone thinking if you put him on the Blazers in place of either Dame or CJ makes Portland better really needs to step back and re-evaluate. As you said, he's a better player because he has teammates around him that can amplify his strengths, and their length also covers up his shortcomings. Put him next to Dame in the Blazers lineup and everyone here would be clamoring to trade him within a couple of weeks; his numbers would be way down over what they are now, and he just wouldn't look anywhere near the same player.
 
Hoopguru said:
Id still take Dame & CJ over Conley and Mitchell. If neither can play defense, that means we have an all world guard that cant play defense? Sort of like Melo in his Prime all world but no D?
Conley has always been a scrapper on D for sure. Also, Dame and CJ would benefit if they had wings that could shoot consistently like Utah.
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sure, on a simple scale of talent vs talent, Dame/CJ are better. But that's all because of Dame. Mitchell is better than CJ, but it's fairly close. Dame is a lot better than Conley. BUT, there is a much better mesh between Conley/Mitchell than Dame and CJ have ever developed. They complement each other very well. They are more than the sum of their parts. Dame and CJ are less than the sum of their parts....a lot less compared to what they produce on their own

it's a team game, and as a 2-man team the Utah pair is a lot closer to the Portland pair than they should be, and part of that is they play good defense. There is too much redundancy and overlap in the Dame/CJ pairing

but BB is a 5 man game and the Utah GM has done a much better job of building a roster, maintaining flexibility, and managing the cap
 
wizenheimer said:
sure, on a simple scale of talent vs talent, Dame/CJ are better. But that's all because of Dame. Mitchell is better than CJ, but it's fairly close. Dame is a lot better than Conley. BUT, there is a much better mesh between Conley/Mitchell than Dame and CJ have ever developed. They complement each other very well. They are more than the sum of their parts. Dame and CJ are less than the sum of their parts....a lot less compared to what they produce on their own

it's a team game, and as a 2-man team the Utah pair is a lot closer to the Portland pair than they should be, and part of that is they play good defense. There is too much redundancy and overlap in the Dame/CJ pairing

but BB is a 5 man game and the Utah GM has done a much better job of building a roster, maintaining flexibility, and managing the cap
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It's fucking crazy that we're even having to compare Conley and Mitchell to Dame and CJ when they make 20M less and Gobert is the best player on that team (I do realize they have the advantage of this year being the last on Mitchell's rookie deal).
 
blazerkor said:
It's fucking crazy that we're even having to compare Conley and Mitchell to Dame and CJ when they make 20M less and Gobert is the best player on that team (I do realize they have the advantage of this year being the last on Mitchell's rookie deal).
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That’s what happens when your the best team in the NBA. Utah already lapped us after rebuilding when Hayward left. When we already had head start by then
 
Cugel said:
Portland is smelling like a 7th or 8th seed to me. Dallas is likely to overtake them, SA could too but less likely, especially if they unload talent tomorrow. But the 8th has to deal with the play-in stuff IIRC.
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I think this is one of Olshey's problems. He can't make a trade without first guaranteeing the Houston draft pick; but he is scared we might fall into the lottery (which would enable us to keep the pick).
 
AldoTrapani said:
That’s what happens when your the best team in the NBA. Utah already lapped us after rebuilding when Hayward left. When we already had head start by then
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Wait, what? Utah has literally never won a championship. One trip to the finals... ever.
 
Saw this in an Athletic article, from the Athletic's Celtics writer:

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So it seems that his desire for a big market was overblown, if Portland is a place he'd be happy to go.
 
wizenheimer said:
sure, on a simple scale of talent vs talent, Dame/CJ are better. But that's all because of Dame. Mitchell is better than CJ, but it's fairly close. Dame is a lot better than Conley. BUT, there is a much better mesh between Conley/Mitchell than Dame and CJ have ever developed. They complement each other very well. They are more than the sum of their parts. Dame and CJ are less than the sum of their parts....a lot less compared to what they produce on their own

it's a team game, and as a 2-man team the Utah pair is a lot closer to the Portland pair than they should be, and part of that is they play good defense. There is too much redundancy and overlap in the Dame/CJ pairing

but BB is a 5 man game and the Utah GM has done a much better job of building a roster, maintaining flexibility, and managing the cap
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Some points for sure and I agree they are better defenders than our two guys. Utah like Portland has struggle over the last few years like Portland in being serious contenders, except for maybe this year.
 
Rockets are +4 and up 16 with 7:30 left and did not score after that... lol TWolves won by 6 as the Rockets fouled with 6 seconds left. Now that’s a bad beat
 
Natebishop3 said:
Because our defense was bad with Nurk. We aren’t a good team. We have been propped up by beating bad teams.
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Um beating bad teams is how you know you're not one. Before Nurkic got hurt, he was really coming on strong on the defensive end. We are a very good team, only 2.5 games behind the Clippers for the #3 seed.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Utah went to the NBA Finals twice. Back to back years. 1997 & 1998.
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Yeah they're one of eleven teams to never win an NBA title and they're the fourth oldest of those teams. If you don't count the Nets' ABA titles then the Jazz have gone the fourth longest amount of time without a title if you count the Nets' ABA titles then the Jazz have gone the third longest. Now, is that who we should be modeling ourselves after? Don't get me wrong they have the best record in the league right now but we've had the best record in the league at this point in the season before but we didn't win the title then.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Um beating bad teams is how you know you're not one. Before Nurkic got hurt, he was really coming on strong on the defensive end. We are a very good team, only 2.5 games behind the Clippers for the #3 seed.
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Here's the deal, we all know that Zach's not the missing piece. So if we don't make some serious serious noise in the playoffs with this roster healthy outside of Zach, then the whole thing (for me outside of Dame) is up for grabs. Fire the GM... see what someone else wants to do and move on.
 
kjironman1 said:
A healthy Zach Collins does indeed change this team.
Huge upgrade on defense over Melo.
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Zach being out is not a legit excuse... first of all he's rarely healthy and second of all he's not that good. You site his defense which kind of looks good until you factor in all of the fouling. No Zach is not the missing piece and if we don't make it the furthest a Dame team has made it in the playoffs then neither Olshey or Stotts have any excuses.
 
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