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Scalma said:
I think it’s inevitable that a bad defensive team will win a championship sometime in the near future. The league is so different now, just look at how many of the statistically best offensive teams of all time are from the current generation. Even the “good” defensive teams aren’t really that good when you compare them to teams of the past. Twenty years ago the best defenses didn’t even give up 90 points per game. Now even the best are giving up over 100.
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I agree with all of this.
 
Tince said:
The Lakers weren't even a playoff team that year. I think being a playoff team is nearly a requirement for vets when choosing what team to go to. Next, it really helps to have a guaranteed role for the player (ex: all the backup center minutes).
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I was more talking about market size. Another example would be Dieng who just chose the Spurs over multiple teams in bigger markets with better records.
 
Scalma said:
I was more talking about market size. Another example would be Dieng who just chose the Spurs over multiple teams in bigger markets with better records.
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I agree with you in saying market size is not one of the major determining factors for bought out players looking to choose a new team.
 
Tince said:
I agree with you in saying market size is not one of the major determining factors for bought out players looking to choose a new team.
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yeah I think typically it’s either a guy chasing a ring, or a significant role, preferably both. I doubt any guy is prioritizing market size, especially since its only a temporary home. It just so happens that some of the contenders play in big cities.
 
Scalma said:
I think it’s inevitable that a bad defensive team will win a championship sometime in the near future. The league is so different now, just look at how many of the statistically best offensive teams of all time are from the current generation. Even the “good” defensive teams aren’t really that good when you compare them to teams of the past. Twenty years ago the best defenses didn’t even give up 90 points per game. Now even the best are giving up over 100.
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but it's relative.

offenses-are-"better" = defenses-are-"worse" does not mean that the importance of defense has lessened. It might actually be the opposite. That uneven equation was working last season when the 3rd ranked defense won the championship by beating the 11th ranked defense. The year before, the 5th ranked defense beat the 13th ranked defense for the championship

look at the defensive rankings for the top-4 seeds in in each conference:

1 Los Angeles Lakers 106.0
2 Philadelphia 76ers 107.6
3 New York Knicks 108.6
4 Phoenix Suns 108.9
5 Utah Jazz 109.1
8 Milwaukee Bucks 110.3
14 Los Angeles Clippers 111.7
26 Brooklyn Nets 114.3

the obvious outlier is Brooklyn. The Clippers are interesting seeing as how they are 14th after ranking 5th last year. But the Clips lead the league in load management and their 3 best defenders have missed an average of 13 games each. I'd expect their defense to ramp up over the remaining 25 games, especially after replacing Williams with Rondo

and here's the thing: when I have seen this discussion engaged around here, almost always it's a debate about defense based upon Portland's prospects. About where the Blazers need to improve to shed the 'pretender-not-contender' status. About what template Portland can realistically use to upgrade their upside.

so, if the Nets do manage to win it all having a bottom-10 offense, is there any usable template there for Portland? or for any small-market team? How realistic would any template be that says: "first, add three players with the offensive caliber of Durant, Harden, and Irving"....?

it would be interesting if somebody would go back 20-30 years and see how many times in the finals the lower ranked defense has beaten the higher ranked defense. I know that happened 20 years ago when the Lakers beat the 76ers. I'd bet it has rarely happened since, and if it has, it would have still been two top-10 defenses battling for the title
 
wizenheimer said:
but it's relative.

offenses-are-"better" = defenses-are-"worse" does not mean that the importance of defense has lessened. It might actually be the opposite. That uneven equation was working last season when the 3rd ranked defense won the championship by beating the 11th ranked defense. The year before, the 5th ranked defense beat the 13th ranked defense for the championship

look at the defensive rankings for the top-4 seeds in in each conference:

1 Los Angeles Lakers 106.0
2 Philadelphia 76ers 107.6
3 New York Knicks 108.6
4 Phoenix Suns 108.9
5 Utah Jazz 109.1
8 Milwaukee Bucks 110.3
14 Los Angeles Clippers 111.7
26 Brooklyn Nets 114.3

the obvious outlier is Brooklyn. The Clippers are interesting seeing as how they are 14th after ranking 5th last year. But the Clips lead the league in load management and their 3 best defenders have missed an average of 13 games each. I'd expect their defense to ramp up over the remaining 25 games, especially after replacing Williams with Rondo

and here's the thing: when I have seen this discussion engaged around here, almost always it's a debate about defense based upon Portland's prospects. About where the Blazers need to improve to shed the 'pretender-not-contender' status. About what template Portland can realistically use to upgrade their upside.

so, if the Nets do manage to win it all having a bottom-10 offense, is there any usable template there for Portland? of for any small-market team? How realistic would any template be that says: "first, add three players with the offensive caliber of Durant, Harden, and Irving"....?

it would be interesting if somebody would go back 20-30 years and see how many times in the finals the lower ranked defense has beaten the higher ranked defense. I know that happened 20 years ago when the Lakers beat the 76ers. I'd bet it has rarely happened since, and if it has, it would have still been two top-10 defenses battling for the title
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Scalma said:
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Rastapopoulos said:
Boy, they sure are loading up on hobbled old PFs (that we debated pursuing). How're they going to get Kevin Love to complete the set?
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Anthony Tolliver and Kyle O'Quinn say you can go F*** yourself.
 
Bucks signing Teague which maybe leaves Rivers for Portland
 
Scalma said:
that would be an admission by Olshey that he doesn't trust Simons haha yeah right
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At this point in the season, the only reason we need a backup point guard is if Dame gets hurt. And if Dame gets hurt we are screwed regardless. So I hope he holds out for a defensive-minded PF. Someone who can at least attempt to guard LBJ or AD.....
 
I'm betting he's going convert Blevins' contract to a regular contract & call it a day.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
At this point in the season, the only reason we need a backup point guard is if Dame gets hurt. And if Dame gets hurt we are screwed regardless. So I hope he holds out for a defensive-minded PF. Someone who can at least attempt to guard LBJ or AD.....
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OPJ would seem to fit that as well as anyone who might end up being available. ORL doesn't seem to want to buy him out though.
 
I'm starting to think that we'll end up bringing in some G League all star, which could be a good thing if we can find the next Duncan Robinson.

I only say this because I can't find a good player left on the buyout market. Am I missing someone?
 
blazerkor said:
I'm starting to think that we'll end up bringing in some G League all star, which could be a good thing if we can find the next Duncan Robinson.

I only say this because I can't find a good player left on the buyout market. Am I missing someone?
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harry Giles can be our buy out player was he comes back.
 
blazerkor said:
I thought he was healthy and just getting DNPCDs.
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I noticed he just suited up for the last game since being out. Id like to see him play at 4 when we need a tall defender there. If he's healthy?
 
We don't trade for the best players and we don't sign the best free agents, so there's no reason to think we'll be adding the best buyout player.
 
I'm telling you all right now... Olshey is going to convert Blevin's contract and call it a day.
The team you see right now is what we're going into the play-in games with.
 
tester551 said:
I'm telling you all right now... Olshey is going to convert Blevin's contract and call it a day.
The team you see right now is what we're going into the play-in games with.
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wanna bet?
 
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