Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread (1 Viewer)

[LayneStaley]

Wouldn’t Joe take this into consideration before taking on the Jrue money? I don’t see him trading for Jrue and having to plan for Deni other than he’s gonna walk in 2028.

 

[BIG Q]

Since Portland is stuck with Grant, they should trade either Deni or Camara. Simple truth is they screwed the pooch resigning Grant and are now stuck with him for three years. Having Deni or Camara coming off the bench is ridiculous. An excess of riches they do not need. Trade one for as many picks as possible. Then draft Grants replacement to sit on bench on a rookie deal. Same with Scoot. They brought Jrue in for a reason. Scoot is a player that they are not committed to, obviously. But he will want $30 mil per season. Not coming off the bench. Trade him and draft Jrue’s replacement and let him sit on the bench until Jrue is gone. Of course they should have bought out Ant and did not. They need to move on and realize value for Scoot and one of Deni/Camara before it is too late.

 

[wizenheimer]

So the only way to keep Deni is to pay someone(with draft capital) to take Grant or Jrue for expirings in the next 2 seasons. Assuming we keep Camara and Sharpe also. Is that what I’m getting from this?

Portland can keep Deni in 2028 by giving him a massive contract as UFA. They won't have the space to give him an extension big enough

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

So the only way to keep Deni is to pay someone(with draft capital) to take Grant or Jrue for expirings in the next 2 seasons. Assuming we keep Camara and Sharpe also. Is that what I’m getting from this?

No. All this is fear mongering.

Portland has Deni's full bird rights & can sign him to any contract that they agree to (up to the max).

Yes- Portland may need to go into the tax to accomplish that (but they can). Alternatively they may need to trade a player.

But it 100% comes down to what Deni wants. If he's enjoying Portland and is committed to the franchise you keep him & pay the man.

If he's wishy-washy (LMA) or expressly says he wants to move on (Hart) -> you trade him.

But there is no urgency to do so. Let it play out for another 2-2.5 years... but Blazers absolutely CAN pay Deni what he's worth

 

[SharpesTriumph]

So the only way to keep Deni is to pay someone(with draft capital) to take Grant or Jrue for expirings in the next 2 seasons. Assuming we keep Camara and Sharpe also. Is that what I’m getting from this?

No - Blazers can pay Deni fine in 2028 and Jrue/Sharpe deals will have expired.

Since the Blazers currently have two players on the roster (Sharpe+Grant) that have been here more than two years - I think fans are worrying too much about how we afford all these guys 4 years from now.

Now if the Blazers totally fail at becoming a winning team this year I can see trying to flip Deni/Camara for picks ... But that's a totally different strategy and for totally different reasons.

 

[inconceivable]

Breaking News: Jerami Grant demands trade out of Portland. His agent will discuss with the Blazers front office regarding his desired destinations. jk

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Since Portland is stuck with Grant, they should trade either Deni or Camara. Simple truth is they screwed the pooch resigning Grant and are now stuck with him for three years. Having Deni or Camara coming off the bench is ridiculous. An excess of riches they do not need. Trade one for as many picks as possible. Then draft Grants replacement to sit on bench on a rookie deal. Same with Scoot. They brought Jrue in for a reason. Scoot is a player that they are not committed to, obviously. But he will want $30 mil per season. Not coming off the bench. Trade him and draft Jrue’s replacement and let him sit on the bench until Jrue is gone. Of course they should have bought out Ant and did not. They need to move on and realize value for Scoot and one of Deni/Camara before it is too late.

I'm fine with trading Deni/Camara if the long term return makes that worth it.

But I would not trade them because of some short term concern for fitting with Grant. Grant being overpayed is a completely separate issue.

Makes zero sense to trade away a starting forward and with Grant playing like a backup still not have one. Then as you say the Blazers try to scramble to draft one for 5 years from now? This makes zero sense.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

No. All this is fear mongering.

Portland has Deni's full bird rights & can sign him to any contract that they agree to (up to the max).

Yes- Portland may need to go into the tax to accomplish that (but they can). Alternatively they may need to trade a player.

But it 100% comes down to what Deni wants. If he's enjoying Portland and is committed to the franchise you keep him & pay the man.

If he's wishy-washy (LMA) or expressly says he wants to move on (Hart) -> you trade him.

But there is no urgency to do so. Let it play out for another 2-2.5 years... but Blazers absolutely CAN pay Deni what he's worth

Deni isn't a free agent until summer 2028 at which point Jrue/Grants deals are over. These aren't related issues at all.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Breaking News: Jerami Grant demands trade out of Portland. His agent will discuss with the Blazers front office regarding his desired destinations. jk

Can you please stop with the "jk" posts? They aren't funny and I'm sure some fans are confused.

 

[Tince]

in a narrow mercenary perspective that's true. But Cronin's M.O. so far isn't very mercenary. He's almost been a player's GM moving players to preferred destinations and, arguably, overpaying his own free agents

so if you project those CBA-mandated 10% cap increases, in 2028, when Deni will be a free agent, the salary cap will be around 205M. Deni will be a 7 year vet, and an unrestricted free agent. He could be an all-star by then. So, he'd be eligible for a 30%-of-cap payday. Meaning his max base salary would be 60M. If he's the player some people here are fantasizing, then, get this: his max contract would be around 5-years/350M....70M/year. The first thing is....holy crap! the second thing is it's unlikely that any team would have 60M in cap-space; but possible I suppose

it does illustrate why there's no friggin way that Deni and his agent will agree to a 20M/year extension

and of course there's always the possibility that Deni just doesn't want to be in Portland

Agreed... Which is why he's probably most valuable to us as a trade asset today.

 

[Tince]

I know but he's been great. Sucks

Fully agree. I like Deni a lot. I don't want trading him to be the logically best option.

 

[LayneStaley]

We aren’t trading Deni for future picks when all the other moves the front office has made is to improve us for this season.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Deni's greatest value is to a team contending to win now, who already has some big salaries. Deni is going to have more value to teams like OKC, Boston, etc. than us. If Cronin were trying to maximize value, I'm thinking he'd trade Deni this season for the reasons you mentioned.

So, if his greatest value is to a team contending to win now, what are you expecting in return? Their non-lottery future picks do not excite me.

No one is untouchable, but IMO you never trade a young talent who is on a cheap deal unless he wants out of Portland, or you have a blatant duplication at one position, and you know exactly what you are getting in return. A contending team that needs Deni is unlikely to give up another young talent in return unless they have a duplication at a different position. So it is possible, but it seems unlikely.

Deni would leave a big hole in the Blazer lineup. We have been searching for a talented PT forward for a while, and now that we have finally found one, I sure as hell do not want to move him for unknown draft picks.

 

[Natebishop3]

If we can’t trade Grant then we need to just chill the fuck out on this season. Let it play out. See how Scoot and Shae do. See if Deni takes another jump. We shouldn’t trade ANY young guys. Grant can sit his ass on the bench.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

So, if his greatest value is to a team contending to win now, what are you expecting in return? Their non-lottery future picks do not excite me.

That's why you get unprotected picks years out, see Phoenix, Clippers, Bucks, etc.

Also plenty of contending teams would have unprotected picks from other teams. Atlanta, Houston, OKC, SAS, etc all have a bunch.

Hopefully the Blazers win more and or Scoot/Sharpe improve. But if the the rest of the Blazers roster flops I can see strategically it making sense to trade Deni/Camara.

In theory the unknown aspect of picks vs a Deni player is a big advantage to the picks if your building a team looking for a star. Deni is not a star. A contending team that already has stars would want the more conservative known commodity with less risk in Deni.

 

[LayneStaley]

Why does everyone think we are years out? What does Indiana have that we potentially don’t have? My biggest concern is CB and Sharpe turning into the scorer we need. I think we have a pretty solid lineup especially if Scoot/Sharpe take a step.

 

[Pinwheel1]

That's why you get unprotected picks years out, see Phoenix, Clippers, Bucks, etc.

Also plenty of contending teams would have unprotected picks from other teams. Atlanta, Houston, OKC, SAS, etc all have a bunch.

Hopefully the Blazers win more and or Scoot/Sharpe improve. But if the the rest of the Blazers roster flops I can see strategically it making sense to trade Deni/Camara.

No offense, but in my humble opinion, moving Deni and Camara for picks would be about the dumbest fucking thing we could possibly do. Now, if Dallas came to us before the draft and said they would give us Flagg for one of those two (or even both), then sure, I can see it.
But a scenario like that is rare. As long as Deni and Camara play well this year, you keep them and trade the ones who flop.

 

[PCmor7]

That's why you get unprotected picks years out, see Phoenix, Clippers, Bucks, etc.

Also plenty of contending teams would have unprotected picks from other teams. Atlanta, Houston, OKC, SAS, etc all have a bunch.

Hopefully the Blazers win more and or Scoot/Sharpe improve. But if the the rest of the Blazers roster flops I can see strategically it making sense to trade Deni/Camara.

In theory the unknown aspect of picks vs a Deni player is a big advantage to the picks if your building a team looking for a star. Deni is not a star. A contending team that already has stars would want the more conservative known commodity with less risk in Deni.

If Deni's not a star, why would a team on the cusp of a championship give up all these unprotected picks for him? Would we even recoup what we gave up to get him?

Also, what's the point continuing to acquire picks years out if we supposedly have nothing else on our roster already? By the time we get those picks, Sharpe and Scoot "won't fit the timeline."

It's counterproductive to keep dealing our assets for even more nebulous assets before we have an idea what we actually have. The tank-rinse-repeat leaves you in the lottery perpetually. By the time you hit the jackpot, you get a great player with nothing around them because you've kept trading growing assets in the name of them being at their peak value.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If we can’t trade Grant then we need to just chill the fuck out on this season. Let it play out. See how Scoot and Shae do. See if Deni takes another jump. We shouldn’t trade ANY young guys. Grant can sit his ass on the bench.

Agreed, the hypothetical trade Deni/Camara would only be something to consider if our other youth flops and our future looks bleak.

 

[B-Roy]

Fully agree. I like Deni a lot. I don't want trading him to be the logically best option.

Yep. The logical thing would be to at least see what the market would pay for Deni at the moment. My guess is his value probably does not get any higher than it is at the moment with 3 years left on his deal (unless he suddenly morphs into all-NBA next season). If he plays at the same level next year I think his value decreases a lot.

I don't think that is something they will consider though. They seem to be pretty invested in him, which I'm ambivalent towards. At the very least, it lets us know we did not overpay for him last year.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If Deni's not a star, why would a team on the cusp of a championship give up all these unprotected picks for him? Would we even recoup what we gave up to get him?

Also, what's the point continuing to acquire picks years out if we supposedly have nothing else on our roster already? By the time we get those picks, Sharpe and Scoot "won't fit the timeline."

It's counterproductive to keep dealing our assets for even more nebulous assets before we have an idea what we actually have. The tank-rinse-repeat leaves you in the lottery perpetually. By the time you hit the jackpot, you get a great player with nothing around them because you've kept trading growing assets in the name of them being at their peak value.

Do you consider Bridges a star? Brooklyn got a haul of picks for him.

If our roster looked as bad as Brooklyn did maybe it would be a new direction to consider.

I wouldn't trade Deni or Camara now.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Don’t the GM’s & coaches get together during summer league like they do during all star break? I don’t think the NBA trading is done yet.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

No offense, but in my humble opinion, moving Deni and Camara for picks would be about the dumbest fucking thing we could possibly do. Now, if Dallas came to us before the draft and said they would give us Flagg for one of those two (or even both), then sure, I can see it.
But a scenario like that is rare. As long as Deni and Camara play well this year, you keep them and trade the ones who flop.

The concept is that Deni/Camara have more value to a contender than to the Blazers if all our other talent flops.

Seems like a logical concept, if our situation changed and our future looked more bleak.

 

[LayneStaley]

Trading arguably our best player who fits the current timeline sends a pretty bleak message to the rest of the team that you’re trying to sell the “time to compete” message to.

 

[inconceivable]

If we can’t trade Grant then we need to just chill the fuck out on this season. Let it play out. See how Scoot and Shae do. See if Deni takes another jump. We shouldn’t trade ANY young guys. Grant can sit his ass on the bench.

The problem is if he's back to being good, sitting him will not sit well with him (pun intended), that will prompt him to request a trade (not kidding). Jeramie is human, with pride.

 

[PCmor7]

Do you consider Bridges a star? Brooklyn got a haul of picks for him.

If our roster looked as bad as Brooklyn did maybe it would be a new direction to consider.

I wouldn't trade Deni or Camara now.

You were the one that said Deni wasn't a star, or did I misunderstand you? Now it sounds like you're stepping back from what you said earlier. Again, maybe I missed your point. I just don't think you can keep trading off quality players -- especially those you gave up prime assets to acquire -- just because they aren't great. The only exception to that is if you're getting back something that IS great, not just a few more lottery tickets.

 

[Tince]

So, if his greatest value is to a team contending to win now, what are you expecting in return? Their non-lottery future picks do not excite me.

No one is untouchable, but IMO you never trade a young talent who is on a cheap deal unless he wants out of Portland, or you have a blatant duplication at one position, and you know exactly what you are getting in return. A contending team that needs Deni is unlikely to give up another young talent in return unless they have a duplication at a different position. So it is possible, but it seems unlikely.

Deni would leave a big hole in the Blazer lineup. We have been searching for a talented PT forward for a while, and now that we have finally found one, I sure as hell do not want to move him for unknown draft picks.

I think a Demond Bane type return or better is more than reasonable.

Do you think Portland is likely to be able to build a contender in the next three seasons? If you do, then 100% we should keep Deni. If you don't, then being open to trading him seems like a logical option because his cheap deal will no longer be part of the equation.

 

[Strenuus]

No offense, but in my humble opinion, moving Deni and Camara for picks would be about the dumbest fucking thing we could possibly do. Now, if Dallas came to us before the draft and said they would give us Flagg for one of those two (or even both), then sure, I can see it.
But a scenario like that is rare. As long as Deni and Camara play well this year, you keep them and trade the ones who flop.

I didnt think there was any other way than to think like this, since it is the answer.

 

[Tince]

Yep. The logical thing would be to at least see what the market would pay for Deni at the moment. My guess is his value probably does not get any higher than it is at the moment with 3 years left on his deal (unless he suddenly morphs into all-NBA next season). If he plays at the same level next year I think his value decreases a lot.

I don't think that is something they will consider though. They seem to be pretty invested in him, which I'm ambivalent towards. At the very least, it lets us know we did not overpay for him last year.

Agree on both points. And I won't sit here pissing and moaning that we do end up keeping him. I'm just pointing out that his greatest value to us is probably in a trade.

 

[inconceivable]

Don’t the GM’s & coaches get together during summer league like they do during all star break? I don’t think the NBA trading is done yet.

yes, correct, SL is a known time for GMs to talk about life and business with their colleagues in person instead of over the phone.