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blue9 said:
Griffin IS a crap defender, but he's better in just about every other way - his post moves are coordinated and strong. He can pass, he can dribble, he can rebound. He can catch the ball on the move.
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You obviously haven't seen Griffin a lot in the post

He basically has one move and that's just overpower everything. When he tries an actual baby hook half of the time it's ugly.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
And all you have to do is foul him and make him shoot free throws to take him out of the game
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Then why doesn't that happen every game?
In a close game all you need to do is foul LMA in the 4th quarter cos you know he's not gonna hit clutch FTs. Heck, how many points is he averaging in the 4th quarter? It use to be about 4, though I would think that he's probably increased it to about 6 this season...hopefully.
 
blue9 said:
Then why doesn't that happen every game?
In a close game all you need to do is foul LMA in the 4th quarter cos you know he's not gonna hit clutch FTs. Heck, how many points is he averaging in the 4th quarter? It use to be about 4, though I would think that he's probably increased it to about 6 this season...hopefully.
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Stats to back it up? Or are we spewing opinions?
 
RoyToy said:
You obviously haven't seen Griffin a lot in the post

He basically has one move and that's just overpower everything. When he tries an actual baby hook half of the time it's ugly.
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His hook looked pretty nice on Saturday.
Does anyone think that LMA looks smooth or coordinated in the post?
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Stats to back it up? Or are we spewing opinions?
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I don't have this season's stats - but I ran them for previous seasons and his scoring in the 4th quarter was literally right around 4p. Not opinion, fact.
 
blue9 said:
I don't have this season's stats - but I ran them for previous seasons and his scoring in the 4th quarter was literally right around 4p. Not opinion, fact.
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Link?

The point still stands. Blakey shoots a horrific ft % while Aldridge shoots a good %
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Link?
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I don't know of any website that tracks scoring by quarter - I was compiling it myself. I started to this season, but stopped updating my spreadsheet after 20 games - if I ever have a really long dry-spell at work maybe I'll go back and update all the missing data. When I stopped logging it he had his 4th quarter scoring average up to 5.88.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Me too. I was simply providing the numbers
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Last yr Aldridge was 92% with only 12 shots attempted, the yr before 63%, then 70%, then 70%.

Griffin has stuck in the mid 50%'s each yr.

Id take Aldridge easy
 
Just proves that myopic hate will cloud anyone's reality. Just like myopic love. I wonder how many in here can actually look at a player outside the box and give a true value of a player?
 
RoyToy said:
You obviously haven't seen Griffin a lot in the post

He basically has one move and that's just overpower everything. When he tries an actual baby hook half of the time it's ugly.
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This.

While he may of gotten better recently, fact is he does not command a double team a la LMA.
 
Never quite understood the whole "I hate this player and am never going to change my mind and I'll argue about it even if they have triple doubles and make all star teams because I'm too fucking stupid/stubborn to admit I was wrong" thing......... just man up that you were wrong and you might scrounge up a little bit of respect around here.
 
blue9 said:
Look beyond the stats, people. WATCH LMA play - he's uncoordinated and has no power. He's a poor dribbler. While he has gotten much better at rebounding, he's still not great at it. And while his passing has improved, he's still not a good passer. He has trouble catching the ball on the move, which is probably why he's never developed a good two-man game with anyone. Aside from the pick/pop, he doesn't play within the flow of the offense - you pass the ball to him and it sticks, stopping any sort of flow and movement on the court. People say that he's one of the best shooting big men in the league, but the percentages don't support this.
Just watch him play and look at his body movements. Then compare that to all the players I listed above - they are all superior to LMA. They look like NBA PFs, whereas LMA looks like a rag doll.
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^This effing guy...^

At some point, I started to wonder if MIXUM has a new game and a different target.
 
HCP said:
Never quite understood the whole "I hate this player and am never going to change my mind and I'll argue about it even if they have triple doubles and make all star teams because I'm too fucking stupid/stubborn to admit I was wrong" thing......... just man up that you were wrong and you might scrounge up a little bit of respect around here.
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BUMP
 
blue9 said:
I haven't see the suggestions for just picks/potential.
And I disagree - Nic is currently better than LMA. Nic has a complete game and can impact it in many ways. LMA doesn't impact the game in any way aside from scoring.
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besides being the straw that stirs the team's drink on offense drawing a double team (which he passes very well out of) most every possession, he's also their top bail out option at the end of the clock, is easily their best defensive Big, a solid Rebounder, and a workhorse averaging a ton of minutes yet again while missing all of 2 games. Your personal dislike of him claiming no one has ever developed with him is completely ridiculous... so really, whatever dude

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
besides being the straw that stirs the team's drink on offense drawing a double team (which he passes very well out of) most every possession, he's also their top bail out option at the end of the clock, is easily their best defensive Big, a solid Rebounder, and a workhorse averaging a ton of minutes yet again while missing all of 2 games. Your personal dislike of him claiming no one has ever developed with him is completely ridiculous... so really, whatever dude

STOMP
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Well said. Repped
 
Whatever. I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority and it'll be about another 3 years before people really start to come around. I mean, how many of you thought that Nate was a good coach 2 years ago, 3 years ago? And only became aware of his mediocrity within the past year?
I'm willing to change my opinion of LMA, I just don't think it's likely to happen. I do admit that he's gotten better, but he's certainly not the best PF in the league, nor will he ever be. If you want to call him Top 10 I'll respect your opinion much more than if you insist on saying that he's the best. But if you think he's the best then your opinion is more off-base than mine. I realize that I do undervalue him when I say he's an average starting PF (meaning roughly 15th best). When I say this I'm weighting individual skills (dribbling, passing, rebounding, etc) and coordination/strength more than I'm weighting stats/production. If I were to weight stats/production more heavily then I'd put him Top 10. I just can't get over (a) how overrated he is, and (b) how ugly, uncoordinated, and weak his game is - but for being all of those things he does contribute quite well. Though I still maintain that the PF position needs to be more than just points and rebounds, and LMA just doesn't do those "little" things that I feel a PF needs to do - his picks aren't good, his help-defense is terrible, and while his ability to kick out of the post when doubled has improved dramatically, overall he's not a good passer (or pass recipient when on the move), and of course he's not half as good a shooter as people think he is. And as a "franchise player" he's more underwhelming given his inability to contribute during crunch time, or put the effort in to anchor a defense.
 
blue9 said:
Whatever. I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority and it'll be about another 3 years before people really start to come around. I mean, how many of you thought that Nate was a good coach 2 years ago, 3 years ago? And only became aware of his mediocrity within the past year?
I'm willing to change my opinion of LMA, I just don't think it's likely to happen. I do admit that he's gotten better, but he's certainly not the best PF in the league, nor will he ever be. If you want to call him Top 10 I'll respect your opinion much more than if you insist on saying that he's the best. But if you think he's the best then your opinion is more off-base than mine. I realize that I do undervalue him when I say he's an average starting PF (meaning roughly 15th best). When I say this I'm weighting individual skills (dribbling, passing, rebounding, etc) and coordination/strength more than I'm weighting stats/production. If I were to weight stats/production more heavily then I'd put him Top 10. I just can't get over (a) how overrated he is, and (b) how ugly, uncoordinated, and weak his game is - but for being all of those things he does contribute quite well. Though I still maintain that the PF position needs to be more than just points and rebounds, and LMA just doesn't do those "little" things that I feel a PF needs to do - his picks aren't good, his help-defense is terrible, and while his ability to kick out of the post when doubled has improved dramatically, overall he's not a good passer (or pass recipient when on the move), and of course he's not half as good a shooter as people think he is. And as a "franchise player" he's more underwhelming given his inability to contribute during crunch time, or put the effort in to anchor a defense.
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Well if you are talking Roytoy, MM and STOMP. They've been advocating how terrible Nate was as a coach 4 years ago. So that statement doesn't apply to most of whom you are disagreeing with.

And talking about underwhelming clutch players that you put before Aldridge.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01/shooting/2013/

Love shoots 29% in the 4th quarters

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01/shooting/2012/

The year you actually think he was a better forward; he shot 20% in overtime and 46% in the 4th quarters. Thi

And you said Love was a better shooter. Well... On his all-star year, he shot 39% from 3 -9 feet, 28% from 10-15 feet, 39% from 16-3 pt. Seems all your arguments are seriously flawed. This was last season's stats btw...

Let's look at Aldridge the shooter for this season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01/shooting/2013/

3-9 ' 45%, 10-15 ft 41%, 16-3pt 40%. All of those outside shots, excluding the 3 pointers Aldridge wins out over Love.

NEXT....
 
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You cherry pick your stats, and I'll cherry pick mine - at least when I pick mine I remain consistent with them rather than trying to search for ANY stat to try to make a point. Regarding LMA's shooting I've ALWAYS compared his "sweet spot" shot from about 18' to all other PFs who play 20+ minutes, and who take more than 1 shot attempt from that distance per game - I go to what he does MOST, which is shooting from about 18'. It's why I've never brought up his 3-point shooting - but if I used your method of searching for ANY stat to torpedo LMA I'd go for that and say we should get Anderson or Bonner or Bargnani. And I'm comparing him against the field, not against a single player and the numbers bear it out - compared to other PFs he's not THAT great a shooter from the spot on the floor from where he shoots the most.
And I do recognize that he's improved his mid-range shot this year - that 8-15' shot from the elbow is significantly better than it has ever been. He didn't use to shoot well from there though. Hopefully he'll continue to keep it up, and hopefully he'll start to shoot more from there than from the outside. But he's still a stretch 4 who doesn't shoot the "stretch 4 shot" all that well.
 
blue9 said:
You cherry pick your stats, and I'll cherry pick mine - at least when I pick mine I remain consistent with them rather than trying to search for ANY stat to try to make a point. Regarding LMA's shooting I've ALWAYS compared his "sweet spot" shot from about 18' to all other PFs who play 20+ minutes, and who take more than 1 shot attempt from that distance per game - I go to what he does MOST, which is shooting from about 18'. It's why I've never brought up his 3-point shooting - but if I used your method of searching for ANY stat to torpedo LMA I'd go for that and say we should get Anderson or Bonner or Bargnani. And I'm comparing him against the field, not against a single player and the numbers bear it out - compared to other PFs he's not THAT great a shooter from the spot on the floor from where he shoots the most.
And I do recognize that he's improved his mid-range shot this year - that 8-15' shot from the elbow is significantly better than it has ever been. He didn't use to shoot well from there though. Hopefully he'll continue to keep it up, and hopefully he'll start to shoot more from there than from the outside. But he's still a stretch 4 who doesn't shoot the "stretch 4 shot" all that well.
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No I am replying to your banter that Aldridge is a terrible outside shooter for the PF position. Then you said Love is a better shooter. I just showed how clearly wrong you are.
 
What's maddening is that he climbs the ranks dramatically as he gets closer to the hoop (until the At Rim section) but his attempts are inverse to where he's most successful from.
7.5 attempts on a 38% shot
2.9 attempts on a 45.5% shot
2.2 attempts on a 54.1% shot
3.9 attempts on a 69.7% shot
 
I don't get the controversy? Isn't it pretty damned obvious that LMA has been shooting more poorly from the field than ever before? BFD.
 
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