Official off-season thread

[kreidertime]

At some point you have to stop losing players for nothing. Stop trading picks and prospects for rentals and signing UFA's. That is what the team did in the late 90's and early 2000's. They sucked because of it. How quickly people forgot that trading off old players was what help rebuild the team. The extra second in the Leetch deal was used to move up to get Staal. One of the extra seconds was used to take Dubinsky. One extra seconds was used to take Sauer who was on his way to being a great defenseman before a concussion took him out. They had so many extra picks in that draft that they took a chance on Callahan in the 4th round.

 

[theProdigy223]

What info do you have that Skjei is ready? I don't get to see much Hartford games but from the scouts I follow he needs at least half a year more next year. He might get some games here and there but he isn't ready for a full time role. McIlrath, on the other hand, is.

I also wouldn't be so quick to assume Yandle is walking for nothing. They might try to get this guy under contract and it isn't impossible. Most insiders say they want to sign him. The key to make it worth it would be having to move McDonagh to the right. That's the only way to break the logjam on the left and make a Yandle extension worth it. In 2 seasons you could go

Staal-McDonagh
Yandle-Girardi
Skjei-McIlrath

A few seasons after that maybe that third pair becomes the second pair.

But that's looking very far ahead. I expect Yandle here next year, McIlrath up and either Boyle or Klein gone for cap relief. Hopefully Boyle but could be Klein

 

[kreidertime]

Boyle if they can't dump his relic ass is gone next year. I see no way they trade Klein. They have only McIlrath as a righty in the system. Which is why any deal they make probably has to have a righty defenseman coming back.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

To me Fast creates offense from his defense. I hated him on the 4th line because he was no good playing with Glass and isn't a physical player who will engage in the rough stuff... His defense was superb in the playoffs and he created Stepan's game winner and plenty of offense from it

 

[strudwickisthebest]

He reminds me of Teravainen on the Hawks

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Nash-Brassard-Zucc

Kreider-Step-Fast

Hagelin-Hayes- Miller

Glass-Moore- lindberg

That seems to be what they're going with... Might switch Hayes and Fast...

 

[strudwickisthebest]

I can't believe writers for the Rangers are suggesting they play Ryan Bourque next season... He's 5'9, seems like he's a career call-up

 

[theProdigy223]

Nash-Brassard-Zucc

Kreider-Step-Fast

Hagelin-Lindberg- Hayes

Glass-Moore- ?

That seems to be what they're going with... Might switch Hayes and Fast...

No JT?

Season started today, we'd probably see:

Nash-Brass-Zucc
Kreider-Stepan-Fast
Hagelin-Hayes-Miller
Glass-Moore-Lindberg

I'd like to get Glass out and sub in a guy who actually knows what to do with the puck. Foligno on Buffalo would be a great get.

The only significant change I see is if they get a top 6 RW, then maybe move Fast to the 4th. It will all depend on what that top 6 RW costs to obtain.

What they do with Hagelin is the key to the forwards, but it sounds as if he'll be back.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Lol I knew I forgot somebody, just edited it... Yea that's pretty much what I have the team to look like

 

[theProdigy223]

Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello
Kreider-Stepan-Wheeler
Miller-Hayes-Fast
Anybody-Moore-Lindberg

Talbot, Hagelin and Klein for Blake Wheeler (or someone like him: big, top 6 right shot). Pipe dream, I know

 

[chuckd3534]

No JT?

Season started today, we'd probably see:

Nash-Brass-Zucc
Kreider-Stepan-Fast
Hagelin-Hayes-Miller
Glass-Moore-Lindberg

I'd like to get Glass out and sub in a guy who actually knows what to do with the puck. Foligno on Buffalo would be a great get.

The only significant change I see is if they get a top 6 RW, then maybe move Fast to the 4th. It will all depend on what that top 6 RW costs to obtain.

What they do with Hagelin is the key to the forwards, but it sounds as if he'll be back.

I am not going to speculate what will happen, because who knows, but I feel pretty confident in saying these will not be the lines next season. We will add a top 9 R shot winger to this mix.

If we go into next season with these lines we are in big trouble. Fast should be on the 4th line to start next season.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Fast's defense creates offense.. He played well with Stepan and Kreider.. But I'll agree with him as a top 12 guy. Can be on the first or fourth when needed

 

[SaveLundy]

Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello
Kreider-Stepan-Wheeler
Miller-Hayes-Fast
Anybody-Moore-Lindberg

Talbot, Hagelin and Klein for Blake Wheeler (or someone like him: big, top 6 right shot). Pipe dream, I know

good lord i would pull that trade off in a heart beat, Wheeler is a brick house with the hands to finish. he would be a nice addition to this team.

 

[Ranger71]

That's a bit too much just for Wheeler imo. If they added a 2nd then maybe, though Klein is someone they need to keep. He's actually the most reliable dman they have.

 

[theProdigy223]

Rumors still hot that the Sharks are in big time on Talbot. What do you guys think of Tommy Wingels? He's been mentioned here before. I think he fills a huge need. He's a right shot, scores dirty goals, not small (although not a brusier), hits EVERYTHING in sight and is skilled enough to play on the PP. Last year he missed 7 games and still finished 7th overall in hits by a forward. He had more points than everyone ahead of him on that list, and was 4th in points out of the top 15 hitters (behind Ovechkin, Lucic and Backes..good company). He is also versatile: he can play C and take faceoffs, although he has played mostly RW for San Jose. Good enough skater to bump up to the top 6 when needed but ideally a 3rd liner.

Drawbacks are that he does not have much playoff experience (currently 6 points in 23 games), but I'd argue nobody on San Jose has had much playoff success. Just turned 27, 2 years left with a 2.475 hit.

Talbot for Wingels
Klein to someone else for a 2nd (necessary to make the cap work)
Glass to Siberia

Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello
Kreider-Stepan-Miller
Hagelin-Hayes-Wingels
Lindberg-Moore-Fast

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Boyle
Yandle-McIlrath

Couple that with Miller and Hayes taking the next step, that could be a very good team.

 

[kreidertime]

No way I'm trading Talbot for Wingels unless they throw in a 2nd round pick and another good role player. Wingels is lower line guy. I'd probably want Goodrow with him. Give the Rangers a big, role player. That allows them more flexibility with Hagelin if they wish to deal him. No freakin way you trade Klein period. Especially for just a second when right handed defenseman are worth a ton in this league now. If they were stupid enough to trade Klein I would do it for a top 15 draft pick and a young NHL player. Klein is more valuable than Yandle because he's right handed. People better start understanding that. Though I wouldn't be surprised to see Sather try to pry away DeMelo a right handed defenseman with a high hockey IQ and booming shot from the Ducks in a Talbot deal.

 

[theProdigy223]

We do probably lose a Wingels/Talbot trade but it's a starting point for chips on each side. But Dump come on. On no planet is Kevin Klein more valuable than Yandle. Is he more valuable than Duncan Keith too? Ryan Suter? Those are left handed guys who must also be worth less than Klein since Klein is right handed. And why are you ripping Boyle when hes a right shot too? Klein is a second pairing dman at best, a 3rd pairing guy on a good team. If McIlrath is as good as you say, he's replaceable from within. Yandle is not. I cant tell if youre being serious with some of your comments lately, or purposely trying to get people fired up.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Nobody would trade a 1st round pick and their top offensive prospect for Klein

 

[SaveLundy]

Nobody would trade a 1st round pick and their top offensive prospect for Klein

But...But hes a right handed shot! Klein is a good defenseman that will garner an ok return, not as good as yandle would. But Yandle isnt going anywhere are we packaged duclair and a 1st for him. Klein is attractive to teams cause at 2.9 with term hes locked up for a couple of years and isnt going anywhere if traded for. I want to belive Mcilrath is going to take that next step but its a crap shoot with this kid.

 

[kreidertime]

You people are lost and you overrate Yandle so badly it's mind boggling. A few GM's love Yandle. A lot don't and think he's a turnover machine. He also is a UFA next year who will get huge money. Klein has a great contract. You continue to dismiss the fact that he's worth more because he's right handed. Again, try doing some research. See how much more right handed defenseman get paid than left handed defenseman. You will be stunned. It's a significant difference.

Just because Sather offered up a boat load for Yandle doesn't mean other teams will. L.A. would be the best case scenario for Yandle because Lombardi is a fan.

 

[chuckd3534]

With all due respect dump, do you not see how crazy you sound? YOU...yes YOU DUMP called Yandle a difference maker THREE months ago when you LIKED the trade Sather made to get him. He is a yearly 50 + point dman, I think the only dman to do that the last 4 seasons.

Now all the people in here are lost and overrate Yandle and Klein is worth more?

Come on man...either you were 100% wrong 3 months ago OR you now are way too down on him because we lost game 7 of the ECF. Has to be one or the other.

 

[Ranger71]

The sooner some of you come to the harsh realization that McIlrath will be a career AHL'er the better. Mat Bodie has a better shot of seeing time at MSG than that guy does.

 

[kreidertime]

Spare me. Most people in the organization felt he was 18 months behind because of the two injuries they have. The organization was raving about his play in the playoffs.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Spare me. Most people in the organization felt he was 18 months behind because of the two injuries they have. The organization was raving about his play in the playoffs.

don't you think the organization is going to rave about the pending free agent? If memory serves me correct the Rangers cant send him to Hartford without exposing him to waivers in which they get nothing for the former first rounder.