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What do I think of Vonleh? He's a beast - I just changed my avatar to reflect that.

He shoot with either hand in the post. He's a very good shooter. He a good rebounder. He's aggressive. He can put the ball on the floor. He's not a jumper, but he's the physique of a beast, and is not at his peak physically yet.

Can he pass? Can he play defense? If so, he'll have it all.
 
He's not a jumper, but he's the physique of a beast, and is not at his peak physically yet.

I'll take misconceptions for 100 Alex.

Draft Combine (no-step-vert/max vert)

Dame 35/40
Aminu 27/33
Davis 31/36
Plumlee 31/36
Harkless 32/37

. . . . and . . .

Vonleh 31/37

I know it may not look like it, but Vonleh is not ground bound. He really can elevate.
 
I'll take misconceptions for 100 Alex.

Draft Combine (no-step-vert/max vert)

Dame 35/40
Aminu 27/33
Davis 31/36
Plumlee 31/36
Harkless 32/37

. . . . and . . .

Vonleh 31/37

I know it may not look like it, but Vonleh is not ground bound. He really can elevate.
check out his shot blocked stats.
 
the spurs come to town, vonleh blocks aldridge. next possession dame dunks on aldridge. aldridge cries and runs to locker room like a platypus

FTFY

barfo
 
check out his shot blocked stats.

1.4 blocks in 26 minutes in college as a freshman. I don't get the question. If you implying that he can't jump because he doesn't have a huge number of blocks I would remind you that your original premise said nothing about shot blocking.
 
1.4 blocks in 26 minutes in college as a freshman. I don't get the question. If you implying that he can't jump because he doesn't have a huge number of blocks I would remind you that your original premise said nothing about shot blocking.

I think he was going for how often Vonleh's shot is blocked, which was 14% last season according to 82games.com. I also remember him getting blocked a lot in summer league. It may not be that he can't jump, but more so that he just doesn't. His offensive game seems to be very ground bound.
 
Vonleh has the build of Malone at age 20 and can shoot the three.

Btw, that Plumlee game winner is the GOAT.
 
1.4 blocks in 26 minutes in college as a freshman. I don't get the question. If you implying that he can't jump because he doesn't have a huge number of blocks I would remind you that your original premise said nothing about shot blocking.
I'm tired right now and don't really care. But, he gets his shot blocked, a lot. I saw it in summer league, and I've read it referenced it with stats. I'd love to be wrong on this, as my avatar will attest.
 
I'm tired right now and don't really care. But, he gets his shot blocked, a lot. I saw it in summer league, and I've read it referenced it with stats. I'd love to be wrong on this, as my avatar will attest.
His mentor has been Al Jefferson who couldn't jump over a post card..under the rim player. He's adjusting to his new core strength and from what he said is well aware of the work he's got to do...he might surpise folks after the allstar break. He'll slowly get some of Kaman's burn as the season goes on and Kaman gets even older
 
I think he was going for how often Vonleh's shot is blocked, which was 14% last season according to 82games.com. I also remember him getting blocked a lot in summer league. It may not be that he can't jump, but more so that he just doesn't. His offensive game seems to be very ground bound.
Exactly, thanks.

Just to restate my point: Vonleh is a beast. His only real question marks are defense, IQ, and passing. He might be great at all of these, I just have no idea. Him being 3 years away is ludicrous.
 
Just revisited this:

Cliff Alexander, 6’9” forward, Kansas: “He’s really long, but he’s still an undersized four. My gut tells me there’s something missing there. Usually freshmen stand out at Kansas and this kid did not. He’s very raw and very athletic. Not a real smart player and doesn’t have a real high motor. Whoever drafts him better be prepared to spend a lot of time developing his game.”
Pat Connaughton, 6’5” forward, Notre Dame: “I’m a fan. He was ninth in the ACC this year in rebounding, which is mind-boggling. He can really jump, tough as hell, really strong. Our league is about shooting, and he does that really well. Probably has the biggest balls of anybody in the draft. I think he’s a first-round talent. He’s got good bounce, but he’s not a great lateral athlete.”
 

This scout Finch is funny, a master of the backhand compliment.

Branden Dawson, 6’7” forward, Michigan State: “He’s just not skilled enough offensively. I don’t think he knows what he needs to do to become an NBA player. He needs to be a lockdown energy guy. For some reason, he feels like he needs to be this offensive guy, yet you really haven’t seen any development of his offensive game over four years. He’ll have a tough time making the transition to the NBA because he doesn’t have a skill set outside 15 feet.”

Sam Dekker, 6’9” forward, Wisconsin: “I think he’s going to be a better pro than he was a college player. They kept him on a tight leash at Wisconsin. He’s a one-bounce player. His basketball IQ is actually pretty bad, which is surprising for the son of a coach. I think he’s going to be a good NBA player, but if he’s a starter, your other four dudes need to be really good. The only issue with Sam is his shooting. Otherwise, he’s a complete player.”

Justin Anderson, 6’6” guard, Virginia: “Extremely athletic. The question is, was his shooting this year a mirage or is it real? He’s got 5% body fat. The new buzzword in our league is ‘three and D.’ Can you make threes and can you defend? He’s a guy I think who can do that. He’s not an elite shooter yet, but Bradley Beal only shot 28% from the three-point line in college. He’s a little bit rigid mechanically.”

Brandon Ashley, 6’9” forward, Arizona: “I’m just not sold on him. He shows you flashes, but he’s been the same player since I first saw him four or five years ago. He’s a good enough shooter that you’ve got to honor it. He’s a tease. Somebody will take him in the second round off height and talent, but I don’t think he plays in the NBA right now.”

Wayne Blackshear, 6’5” guard, Louisville: “Maybe I’d compare him to Scotty Hopson, but he’s not even as good as Scotty Hopson. When he’s making shots, he’s pretty valuable but he’s just been inconsistent. He may be a D-League guy who gets a call up sometime. I don’t know what position he plays.”

Devin Booker, 6’6” guard, Kentucky: “He has a chance to be really good. He can handle the ball but doesn’t do anything with it right now. He has great size for a wing. I don’t know if it was by design, but when he was at Kentucky, he never dribbled and never passed. He’ll probably be drafted higher than he should because he can shoot.

Michael Frazier II, 6’5” guard, Florida: “I don’t like him at all. He’s a shooting guard who has no ball skills, and I don’t think he’s elite enough of a shooter to make it as a specialist. He’s a small two with squirrely mechanics.”
 
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, 6’7” forward, Arizona: “He’s the best defender in the draft, but he’s going to have to be Bruce Bowen because his shooting is completely broken. It needs surgery, not just a tweak. Look what happened to Tony Allen, and Rondae is 10 times worse than Tony Allen as a shooter. Highest motor in the draft. He can’t shoot, but to his credit he doesn’t take shots that hurt you.”

Dakari Johnson, 7-foot center, Kentucky: “He’s not a sexy athlete at all. He’ll be a backup big in the NBA for a long time. In the second round, he’s a no-brainer. He’s not the quickest twitch guy in the world, but his energy is high and he’ll go rebound the ball. He needs to work on his body and agility, but from what I’m hearing he just doesn’t have the work ethic to make that happen.”

Stanley Johnson, 6’7” forward, Arizona: “He has the tools to defend at an elite level. Offensively you saw some improvement. His work ethic and competitiveness lead me to believe he will develop a jumper eventually. The downside is there’s no upward mobility physically. He is who he is. As you move up a level, you can’t punk guys like you did in high school. He’s going to see Wesley Matthews, who is built like he is. He’s got a body like Ron Artest. He had a lot of shots blocked because he has stubby arms.”

Kevon Looney, 6’9” forward, UCLA: “I’m not sold at all. I think his rebounding was overstated. He doesn’t have the physical tools to get rebounds out of his area. He’s not an elite shooter. So I don’t know what he does that will get people excited. I don’t care if he can dribble through cones. I don’t know if he can transition to the three. His greatest asset is his length. He has a 9’2” standing reach. I think he could evolve into a decent shooter.”

Trey Lyles, 6’10” forward, Kentucky: “That’s a high-level talent right there. When they were running those platoons, he was the one getting screwed. He’s a good all-around player, although I thought he was average defensively. Very coachable, good character, defends fairly well. He’s not great at anything, but he has good size.”

Jarell Martin, 6’9” forward, LSU: “He needs to get in shape. You’re auditioning for the NBA. Give up the donuts and pizza for a few weeks. I mean, trick us. Decent athlete, decent rebounder, decent offensive player, but there’s nothing that grabs me to think that guy’s a star. He has to fix his outside shooting. I can see him developing because he’s a young kid, but he doesn’t have anything to hang his hat on.”

Emmanuel Mudiay, 6’5” guard, China: “He’ll be at the Brandon Jennings-O.J. Mayo level. From what I saw of him at the Hoop Summit, I wasn’t blown away. I’m not convinced he’s an elite passer. Everyone talks about how athletic he is, but he’s not going to be like Russell Westbrook or John Wall. I was in China recently, and they all said he was a great teammate, good guy, responsible guy, not an idiot in any way. Just a big, strong point guard. Shooting is his biggest weakness, but I think he made progress on that over in China.”
 
I'm only showing the best 21 of his 50 evaluations. Plus there's a long intro, so my 3 posts are at most a third of the article. So don't worry about copywrite.

Bobby Portis, 6’11” forward, Arkansas: “He’s a high-motor, non-athletic big. He’ll never be a star, but he measured bigger than I thought. I saw the kid play a ton, and he never did much for me. Got kind of a funny body. A little bit heavy legged, kind of heavy in the a--. Very good ball-handling skills for a big. He can make shots, but he plays below the rim.”

Norman Powell, 6’4” guard, UCLA: “He is a great athlete. If he wasn’t so bow-legged, he would look taller. I don’t trust his shot one bit, but I like his versatility. You have to turn him into a monster defender. I think he’ll end up being a better pro than he was a college player. He’s a decent midrange shooter but not a good distance shooter.”

Terry Rozier, 6’2” guard, Louisville: “That little kid is a stone cold stud. He’s a guy I think intrigues everybody. He has a certain savvy to get to the rim. He’s got great body control. He just has a tough time finishing and knocking down shots consistently. Everyone says he’s a point guard, but he’s not. He doesn’t make perimeter shots but he can really guard. He’s a Kyle Lowry type. When Lowry came out of Villanova he couldn’t make a shot, but he did a lot of the same things.”

Robert Upshaw, 7-foot center, Washington: “We wouldn’t touch him. He has so many issues. Now he has a heart issue. He has an NBA skill with his shot blocking, but he’s not worth it. Physically, he’s talented. The problem is, if you crack his head open, nobody has any idea what might roll out of there.”

Chris Walker, 6’10” forward, Florida: “Um ... no. He doesn’t know how to play. He has to become Dennis Rodman or Kenneth Faried, but that would mean reinventing himself. He has no idea how to play. He couldn’t get off the bench at Florida. I’d be surprised if he gets drafted. He’s just not smart at all picking things up.”

Christian Wood, 6’11” forward, UNLV: “When you’re that skinny and have 15% body fat, it just tells me that you don’t work. His shot’s not broken but I think he takes too many. He’s tall, he’s long. He checks a lot of boxes. He might have as much upside as anyone in this draft. He’s immature, but he’s not a bad kid. He probably sits around and watches cartoons.”

Delon Wright, 6’6” guard, Utah: “What concerns me is his shooting and lack of athleticism. You have to have one or the other to play that position. He had the ball in his hands all the time in college. I don’t know how that translates to the NBA. He’s not good enough to have the ball in his hands as much as he did. He’s more clever than fast. He’s 23 years old and still only 180 pounds, and he’s not a jet.”
 
Just got done perusing the box scores of the two preseason games yesterday. It might be the preseason and they might have been other cities' teams, but I felt like I just had a nice cool gulp of water after months spent in the desert. And damn was it tasty! I can't wait for more......its been too damn long.
 
3 hours to go and no game thread!

Fire Darkwebs!
 

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