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Um yeah, the right to bear arms is important to me, sorry you think it's pathetic. I actually live somewhere where firearms are a necessary tool, not just something I talk about with my uber driver. When you're writing your next piece of legislation maybe you could include a clause to give me a felony too.
These people don’t get it. They just don’t. And I’m not referring to liberals as a whole. I’m talking people who don’t know anything about guns and the only thing they see of them is when a shooting happens. People don’t look at numbers anymore. There are more guns than people in this country. Given that one number, there should be way more shootings occurring. There isn’t though. People over react. Sure I agree that there needs to be some more strict background checks but the real issue people keep ignoring but is a real factor in this country is mental health. It’s vital. I live in the country, i have neighbors that have targets setup and they shoot for fun on the weekends. I hear these shots every weekend, my first thought isn’t “omg better run somebody is being shot!”. I feel like these specific people need positive exposure to guns rather than what they see on the tv. Most people with guns either like shooting, hunting, or they just keep a gun to defend their house. Or all of the above.
 
These people don’t get it. They just don’t. And I’m not referring to liberals as a whole. I’m talking people who don’t know anything about guns and the only thing they see of them is when a shooting happens. People don’t look at numbers anymore. There are more guns than people in this country. Given that one number, there should be way more shootings occurring. There isn’t though. People over react. Sure I agree that there needs to be some more strict background checks but the real issue people keep ignoring but is a real factor in this country is mental health. It’s vital. I live in the country, i have neighbors that have targets setup and they shoot for fun on the weekends. I hear these shots every weekend, my first thought isn’t “omg better run somebody is being shot!”. I feel like these specific people need positive exposure to guns rather than what they see on the tv. Most people with guns either like shooting, hunting, or they just keep a gun to defend their house. Or all of the above.
There’s a balancing act that needs played, I grew up in North Portland, and have been robbed at gun point, seen guns drawn over basketball games, heard shots fired many, many time, seen gang violence. Now obviously a lot of those people will find a way to get guns one way or another. The question isn’t about how do we keep guns out of the hands of responsible adults, or people that use guns for various reasons out in the country. The question is how do we a) identify people that need mental help and b.) how do we keep those people away from guns.
Will this law help? Who knows, but I still think it’s better to try and fail than not to try at all.
 
The pinnacle of hypocrisy.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2013/03/ex-members_of_paul_allens_secu.html

More than a dozen former members of billionaire Paul Allen's security detail have sued or settled with the co-founder of Microsoft and investment company Vulcan, with some alleging the family partakes in illegal activity and that his sister Jody Allen sexually harassed them.
Vulcan attorney Harry Schneider described the claims as "meritless" and accused the employees of attempting to wring money out of their former employer, the seattlepi.com reported Friday.

"These lawsuits were filed 18 months ago because Paul Allen declined to acquiesce when plaintiffs threatened to file their outlandish allegations in court unless they were paid money," Schneider said via email.

Though the company has fought to push the lawsuits into secret arbitration, Schneider went on to say Vulcan "expects to prevail in court."

Allen made his fortune as Microsoft's co-founder. He now is the chairman of Vulcan Inc., which he founded with his sister Jody Allen in 1986. He also owns the Seattle Seahawks and the Portland Trail Blazers.

The news website reports that at least five former members of the Allens' personal security team have sued the siblings and Vulcan. Court documents indicate that 10 other former members of the team have previously settled with Vulcan after closed hearings before a private mediator.

The former members of the Allens' personal security detail have made vague claims that the Allens were involved in criminal activity and bribery, and that Jody Allen sexually harassed security officers. They also claim other Vulcan executives ignored the behavior.

Besides allegations of sexual harassment, court documents allege Jody Allen tried to sneak home giraffe bones while on safari in Botswana, but details are vague due to court orders and confidentiality agreements, the news website reported.

Attorneys for two former leaders of the executive protection team, a retired FBI special agent among them, are scheduled to take their cases to a jury later this year. The Allens would be called to testify, as would dozens of current and former Vulcan employees alleged to have witnessed illegal or unethical activities.

The Vulcan executive protection team is staffed by elite security contractors -- SEAL-school trained combat veterans among them -- paid to protect Paul and Jody Allen, as well as Jody Allen's children. Members of the team, which numbered eight to 14 people from 2010 to 2011, accompany the Allens when they travel and provide security for their properties.

In a sworn statement, former team leader and retired FBI special agent Kathy Leodler said the Allens are now trying to hide criminal activity behind confidentiality agreements.

"Let me be clear, I do not accept the assertion that crimes of corporate executives can be covered up by an agreement to protect trade secrets or Allen 'privacy,'" Leodler said in a declaration to the court. "In spite of ... ethical rhetoric and interviews of its executives and founder, it is clear that the core of Vulcan is based on extended patterns of executive corruption, a contamination of my workplace caused by criminal conduct, unethical behavior, obstruction of justice and a willingness of many indifferent executives to implicate others in the wrongful actions."

Leodler is among the three ex-employees whose lawsuit is still being pursued in open court. An FBI agent for 23 years, Leodler was serving as acting special-agent-in-charge of the Bureau's San Diego office when she retired in 2007 and went to work in private security.

In court documents, Leodler claims she started hearing complaints shortly after she was hired to head the division in October 2010. Officers claimed they were being sexually harassed by Jody Allen and were directed to cover up crimes committed by the Allens, attorney Rebecca Roe said in court documents. Roe represents Leodler and several other former Vulcan employees.

In June 2011, Leodler learned a safari guide was detained by Botswana customs officials after Jody Allen was caught with giraffe bones in her luggage, Roe said in court documents. The incident prompted Leodler to conduct an investigation that left her concerned that her team was being asked to bribe foreign officials, falsify customs declarations and smuggle protected items.

A spokeswoman for Vulcan declined to discuss the allegations in detail. Attorneys for the Allens have issued a blanket denial of all claims of wrongdoing.

Leodler and four other employees who have sued contend that they were fired or forced out around the time all Vulcan was offering large bonus payments in exchange for agreements not to sue the company. Instead, they would be required to go before a private arbitrator, effectively removing any disputes from public view.
 
Are you a filthy animal?

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But here's the thing - you guys offer and have no solution. ZERO.

I'm in an Uber today and the driver starts talking about how afraid he is to send his 12 year old to school. But what is important to you guys? The right to keep and bear arms.

Mass shootings are an anomaly. A rarity. A blip on the screen.

His son is more likely to be killed by an Uber driver than a mass shooter.

Mass traffic fatalities occur EVERY SINGLE DAY. You offer no solution. You display no outrage.

60,000 deaths per year from opioid OD's. You offer no solution. You display no outrage.
 
Damn sly, really going after the conservatives on the forum. Do you troll dems the same? Oh, no you don’t.

For real though I don’t know who would stop being blazer fans over this. Who cares really
Oh no, Cippy had to protect the republicans and ask that Sly troll the democrats, but he's NUETRAL!

C'mon man.
 
Mass shootings are an anomaly. A rarity. A blip on the screen.

His son is more likely to be killed by an Uber driver than a mass shooter.

Mass traffic fatalities occur EVERY SINGLE DAY. You offer no solution. You display no outrage.

60,000 deaths per year from opioid OD's. You offer no solution. You display no outrage.
Okay.... I'll play along. Just gonna play devil's advocate here.
Mass traffic fatalities- Lets see???? First you would have to actually look at how many passenger vehicles are in the US and what makes they are. Because what you are comparing it to is a debate about a certain type of gun or guns and the use they actually impose. so i will allow you to catch up a bit with those of us that have actually studied this particular argument Here is a pretty good link that covers most every car maker sold in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States

Great! Now that you are caught up a bit with how many and what types we are comparing guns to lets look at the argument imposed? "Mass Transit Fatalities" compared to "Mass Shootings". Now i have added every kind of transit into this because you have in fact done so also but as you can see the US by comparison leads the way in not only traffic safety but overall per capita numbers. As a matter of fact the difference is staggering beings that the US has the 2nd most cars of every nation in the world behind only China which stands to reason with how many people they have over there. Still cars/people the US is overwhelmingly the leader. This would be due to all of the "Solutions" put forth by people over the last 50-100 years. Education, Licensing, drivers training, Automobile safety, Insurance, the DMV system and even judicial system when people have decided they didn't want to follow the rules have all had their effect. How about MADD? Mothers against Drunk Driving staged quite possibly the most effective campaign this country has ever seen.
Here is another link for you to study-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States

If you are actually trying to make a statement about the "Outrage" people have displayed about the way people die in cars and other kinds of transportation over the years i beg you to start educating yourself. There are very few industries that have been under greater scrutiny than "Mass Transit". It's not just the US either. It's literally international law and regulations so people understand the rules of the road.
Here is another link for you to study up on-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Signs_and_Signals

How about we put the gun makers and people who sell them under the same scrutiny as those allowed to sell cars? Then we can have all gun owners become licensed and insured to use and own a gun. Then we can make them bring their gun in every 2 years to have it checked. Of course we will have to put a fee on every gun for this also. Then we can imposed a shooting police like traffic cops to make sure you are always using your gun at the correct level of safety. We could impose shooting speed laws and ticket you if you have shot too fast. Then we can put tracking devices like "On Star" on every new gun. How does that sound to ya? Then we could impose laws on the very type of Fuel/bullets you use in your gun? Wow this is sounding better by the minute.
Here is another link for you to study- Understand there are 132 other links on this link alone you must wade through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Highway_Traffic_Safety_Administration

Now I will go into opiates and addiction services and what is being done on that when you catch up on mass transit. I will give you a month to read and understand what i have given you to this point.
Go ahead and get back to us when you have caught up.
Thanks....
 
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Feel Superior now? Or just virtuous?

Never waste a tragedy. Kid shoot people with a .38, hop on the ban automatics. It is virtuous. See river likes your signal.

Respond to my take, not you're snarky dislike of a different opinion.

What is YOUR solution?
 
Um yeah, the right to bear arms is important to me, sorry you think it's pathetic. I actually live somewhere where firearms are a necessary tool, not just something I talk about with my uber driver. When you're writing your next piece of legislation maybe you could include a clause to give me a felony too.

I don't think it is pathetic that you want your guns. Truly I get that. But what IS pathetic is that our children are being murdered and your team seems to offer no solution other than 'that's a sad offshoot of our Constitutional right.' That is pathetic.
 
Oh no, Cippy had to protect the republicans and ask that Sly troll the democrats, but he's NUETRAL!

C'mon man.
I wasn't protecting anybody, just pointing something out. Did you see my anti trump post a while go? hmmmm
 
I don't think it is pathetic that you want your guns. Truly I get that. But what IS pathetic is that our children are being murdered and your team seems to offer no solution other than 'that's a sad offshoot of our Constitutional right.' That is pathetic.
Don’t you think it’s kind of sad how both sides handle it?
Second a tragedy happens the CNN’s and Fox new’s of the world run off to find the persons political views to see if it fits their agenda’s or not, then they both turn it into politics anti-gun or pro gun, or whatever. I don’t think the hands of either side are completely clean here. In the world of politics the only thing that matters is their agenda and angles in which they can fortify and push it.
I have heard many more right leaning people say let’s work on mental health at a younger age, I’ve heard more left leaning folks say gun laws, and there is probably merit to both sides of the coin, but to say they didn’t offer any solutions kind of sounds more like they didn’t offer any solutions that fit the agenda of the one saying there was no solution.
This happens all the time in politics not just with violence in school but one side screaming you haven’t offered a solution and I have, when most of the time that’s not true they just didn’t like the solutions threw out there.
 
These kids are getting the guns from their parents stash. Thats what needs to be looked at to stop these shootings. Start holding parents responsible and I guarentee, parents will start making damned sure those guns are locked up tight where their kids can't get to them.

Mental illness, bullying in school, conflict resolution. There needs to be conversations about these as well. Get students involved.

Change needs to happen
 
Of course these measures won't stop all gun violence. There is no panacea. Opponents of firearms safety LOVE to say "this won't stop all shootings", essentially demanding 100% effectiveness or do nothing.

Gun safety measures won't stop 100% of shootings.
Seat belts don't stop 100% of traffic fatalities.
Birth control doesn't prevent 100% of unwanted pregnancies.

But they work a hell of a lot better than thoughts and prayers.
 
I live in, have grown up in, and am around a rural gun culture, I don't see what's so bad about the legislation he's donating to here. It's not like he's trying to ban all guns or anything.
 
I knew folks when I lived in Oregon who were hunters, they got deer, pheasants, to eat and share. They followed the laws and kept their guns unloaded and locked up when not in use. I have no issue with them. However squeamish I might feel about killing one's dinner, as long as I eat meat I can't complain (and I do buy soft shell crabs, which I need to kill myself, when available).
 

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