Ohio Business Owner Shot For Being Non-Union, Police Investigating

[PapaG]

Those damn Tea Party Terrorists! :MARIS61:

With around 25 employees, John King owns one of the largest non-union electrical contracting businesses in the Toledo, Ohio area. As a non-union contractor, his business happens to be doing well at a time when unions in the construction industry are suffering. This, it seems, has made the usual animosity unions have for him even greater, making him a prime target of union thugs. So much so, that one of them tried to kill him last week at his home.

John King didn’t plan on being an enemy of unions. In fact, he says all he’s ever wanted to do is work at something he loves doing and be successful at it—something that most normal Americans would call ‘The American Dream.’

After high school and some college, Mr. King briefly worked for an IBEW contractor before being drafted into the military. Following his service in the early 70s, King became his own boss by going into business as the youngest electrical contractor in Toledo.

Over the years, King Electrical Services had always been a small business. However, during the Great Recession, King’s business has actually improved as his union competitors have priced themselves out of work.

Unfortunately, being a non-union electrical company, King has always been on the radar of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW). In fact, in 2006, he won a significant case against the IBEW at the US Court of Appeals, after the union had improperly promised his electricians jobs on union sites if they voted the union into King’s company.

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[PapaG]

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/...-bring-knife-fight-we-bring-gun#ixzz1VFRVku9l

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I wonder if there is a mod union?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Why is this news? Union caused deaths and beatings are common place- especially east of the Rockies. I've been to some union meetings where violence was discussed. Union business as usual.

 

[barfo]

Why is this news? Union caused deaths and beatings are common place- especially east of the Rockies. I've been to some union meetings where violence was discussed. Union business as usual.

True. Union thugs killed a quarter million people just in the years 1861 to 1865.

barfo

 

[ABM]

True. Union thugs killed a quarter million people just in the years 1861 to 1865.

barfo

Too bad the Libs continue to pander to the unions. At this point, we're far too sophisticated a nation to allow child labor. Why, that can always be farmed out to other countries. Unions, to me, appear to indirectly foster indifference and/or lack of motivation/productivity. Two traits/elements our fine country could stand to be without.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

True. Union thugs killed a quarter million people just in the years 1861 to 1865.

barfo

What would this board be without barfoisms?

 

[barfo]

What would this board be without barfoisms?

I don't know, but I think we should try it sometime and find out.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Too bad the Libs continue to pander to the unions. At this point, we're far too sophisticated a nation to allow child labor. Why, that can always be farmed out to other countries.

Child labor is not "farmed out" to other countries.

American workers are replaced by child laborers in other countries.

They are employed and paid (barely) and abused and murdered at the bequest and direction of American companies, most notably Nike.

Phil Knight alone has the blood of tens of thousands of children on his hands, and so does anyone who buys his overpriced products.

The fall of the unions is why America has no jobs, why we no longer produce any with pride, why we commit atrocities in foreign lands, and why our present distorted government will likely be overthrown by it's own citizens in your lifetime.

Unions are/were a real-life implementation of The Bill of Rights, and represent the basic concepts of Liberty and Justice For All.

Anti-union = anti-American.

 

[ABM]

Child labor is not "farmed out" to other countries............

..........Anti-union = anti-American.

Sorry you missed my tongue-in-cheek remark. Also, sad for you that you feel being anti-union is somehow anti-American.

 

[huevonkiller]

FDR is anti-Union, he's much more american than Roger Maris ever was.

 

[MARIS61]

It's an enormous leap of logic to conclude that Mr King was shot by a union member, or even that he was shot by someone other than himself.

A superficial arm wound and no suspect or even witnesses.

In any case, well over 99.9% of ALL violent crime in America is committed by non-union citizens and non-union illegal aliens.

Let's have a thread about those evil bastards.

 

[huevonkiller]

Unions are corrupt and greedy organizations in the public sector, thank god they're finally being exposed.

I'd support the NBA players union over them.

 

[MARIS61]

Sorry you missed my tongue-in-cheek remark. Also, sad for you that you feel being anti-union is somehow anti-American.

I don't consider the torture and murder of children to fill American billionaires pockets something to joke about. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Maybe you don't have kids of your own.

As for your second comment, you must have slept through every history class you were ever in. Who do you think made America the world's #1 superpower and the most coveted destination of immigrants, and why do you think we are no longer either?

 

[huevonkiller]

I don't consider the torture and murder of children to fill American billionaires pockets something to joke about. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Maybe you don't have kids of your own.

As for your second comment, you must have slept through every history class you were ever in. Who do you think made America the world's #1 superpower and the most coveted destination of immigrants, and why do you think we are no longer either?

Unions have bankrupted Italy and want even more benefits from a broke government.

None of your musings ever hold up statistically, you don't understand the purpose of a Union either.

 

[MARIS61]

FDR is anti-Union, he's much more american than Roger Maris ever was.

FDR was not anti-union at all.

That's just another Teabagger lie being thrown around by the usual nutjobs trying to bring our country to it's knees.

He was opposed to the idea of public unions striking, as it created conflict between government entities. Other than that single, sensible objection, he was very much a supporter of unions in general as they were a democratic representation of the people's will. Without his considerable support in fact, we may have never become the great country we used to be.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/948033/-Wisconsin:GOP-Lying-About-FDR-Again

 

[MARIS61]

This brings up the question: Is there a single Teabagger out there who actually knows anything about America's history? None of their leaders do, and it seems none of their followers have minds of their own. They just parrot the FauxNuz drivel fed to them by Rupert Murdoch, an Australian.

 

[huevonkiller]

FDR was not anti-union at all.

That's just another Teabagger lie being thrown around by the usual nutjobs trying to bring our country to it's knees.

He was opposed to the idea of public unions striking, as it created conflict between government entities. Other than that single, sensible objection, he was very much a supporter of unions in general as they were a democratic representation of the people's will. Without his considerable support in fact, we may have never become the great country we used to be.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/948033/-Wisconsin:GOP-Lying-About-FDR-Again

Um yeah read post#13.

 

[huevonkiller]

This brings up the question: Is there a single Teabagger out there who actually knows anything about America's history? None of their leaders do, and it seems none of their followers have minds of their own. They just parrot the FauxNuz drivel fed to them by Rupert Murdoch, an Australian.

Fuck Australian accents are sexy though.

Maris it is pretty easy to debunk your economic claims.

 

[MARIS61]

http://www1.american.edu/ted/nike.htm

http://www.albionmonitor.com/9606a/nikelabor.html

http://www.educatingforjustice.org/stopnikesweatshops.htm

http://www.educatingforjustice.org/stopnikesweatshops.htm

http://homepage.mac.com/barbarap2/home/laborcrises/Nike.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_sweatshops

http://boycott-nike.8m.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweatshop

[video=youtube;xVuScVCF1Ws]

 

[MARIS61]

Fuck Australian accents are sexy though.

Maris it is pretty easy to debunk your economic claims.

Take your best shot, but I haven't seen you win an arguement on this board since you arrived.

 

[Haakzilla]

This brings up the question: Is there a single Teabagger out there who actually knows anything about America's history? None of their leaders do, and it seems none of their followers have minds of their own. They just parrot the FauxNuz drivel fed to them by Rupert Murdoch, an Australian.

...the corporate media and the never-ending falsified GOP talking points have completely hi-jacked the original intent behind the "Tea Party" movement and being a true "Constitutionalist"

 

[huevonkiller]

http://www1.american.edu/ted/nike.htm

http://www.albionmonitor.com/9606a/nikelabor.html

http://www.educatingforjustice.org/stopnikesweatshops.htm

http://www.educatingforjustice.org/stopnikesweatshops.htm

http://homepage.mac.com/barbarap2/home/laborcrises/Nike.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_sweatshops

http://boycott-nike.8m.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweatshop

[video=youtube;xVuScVCF1Ws]

I'm curious, what are the alternatives for these people?

Not every country is as fortunate as this one.

Take your best shot, but I haven't seen you win an arguement on this board since you arrived.

Really you're that lazy? We have threads everywhere already.....

 

[maxiep]

Unions likely saved this country from a revolution in the late 19th/early 20th century. However, they've outlived their usefulness and gone the way of the buggy whip. I thank them for protecting workers' rights when the government refused to do so. Now go away.

 

[MARIS61]

I'm curious, what are the alternatives for these people?

Unionization.

A century ago American children worked in sweatshops. Unionization is what brought a halt to it, caused laws to be enacted and not coincidentally turned our developing nation into a developed nation.

Sweatshops or unions.

Every country in the world has one or the other, but never both.

 

[huevonkiller]

So all these countries have access to education, and income that would be otherwise cut off?

 

[MARIS61]

Unions likely saved this country from a revolution in the late 19th/early 20th century. However, they've outlived their usefulness and gone the way of the buggy whip. I thank them for protecting workers' rights when the government refused to do so. Now go away.

As they fade away in America, so have the rights they brought us.

 

[huevonkiller]

My problem with unions is that they are so devout to one political party that pursues bad economic policies. Collective Bargaining Agreements with private companies are fine though.

I might have to turn down a nice paycheck from the union, just because their politics are somewhat absurd.

 

[MARIS61]

So all these countries have access to education, and income that would be otherwise cut off?

They are basically what American workers were a century ago.

Uneducated, oppressed, and unorganized.

We figured it out after we got sick of being abused. They will too. They're not retarded. They just live in countries that are in a different time of their lives.

Like you and I are.

You're 23 and you genuinely seem not to know how this works.

I'm not mocking you now but can I ask where did you go to high school? Was it in America? If so, our schools ain't what they used to be.

 

[huevonkiller]

I made rhetorical questions to see your dubious responses. I've studied and read books about this subject, you're screwed.

They are basically what American workers were a century ago.

Uneducated, oppressed, and unorganized.

We figured it out after we got sick of being abused. They will too. They're not retarded. They just live in countries that are in a different time of their lives.

Like you and I are.

You're 23 and you genuinely seem not to know how this works.

I'm not mocking you now but can I ask where did you go to high school? Was it in America? If so, our schools ain't what they used to be.

Well that's nonsense, people live in different types of governments, again you lack nuance and detail. You apparently don't understand the plight of the "bottom billion", or international relations which is a completely different subject. That's why they have a different major for it.

I'm not mocking you but I just want to know, when did you get brainwashed by the left? None of the economic stats you use are helpful at all.