Ohio Business Owner Shot For Being Non-Union, Police Investigating

[huevonkiller]

A reminder of your fanaticism of the left, and your love for David Wu:

Apparently the supposed victim was 19 at the time, far past the age of consent, and also apparently nothing at all happened. No charges were filed, no crime was alledged,

This is just another piece of the Oregroanian's tireless campaign to replace Wu with a candidate of their choice.

Their bias reached ridiculous heights when they tried to make Wu seem insane simply because he sent a picture of himself at Halloween in costume. I thought he looked like he was having fun on a holiday but the O called his costume "bizarre" (a tiger suit is bizarre on Halloween?).

Nobody gives a rat's ass what NY'ers do. They are near opposites to Oregonians, especially politically.

Neither party has anyone strong enough to challenge Wu, even with the O providing the smear job.

Yes.

It is puzzling that WW would publish such a hit job without some kind of, any kind of substantiation, evidence or facts.

If you are going to destroy a man's reputation, career, and marriage, you better bring more than empty name-calling.

I can only assume one of Wu's incompetent staffers has a relative or pull at WW. It's clear his staff was clueless about running his campaign, thinking he was losing when he ended up crushing his opponent. Good thing he refused to follow their advice about hiding from the voters or pretending to be someone he is not. A sincere and honest politician will get my vote every time.

Good thing he fired most of them. Smart guy.

There's a big difference between having your career destroyed by a political smear job of your reputation and being guilty of some as yet unnamed sexual advance. Few here seem to understand how politics are played.

Or he could be guilty as fuck. Let them actually investigate first.

Damn education aint what it used to be brah. You're probably the shadiest guy here since you actually believe this stuff.

 

[MARIS61]

My problem with unions is that they are so devout to one political party that pursues bad economic policies. Collective Bargaining Agreements with private companies are fine though.

I might have to turn down a nice paycheck from the union, just because their politics are somewhat absurd.

This is simply because historically Republicans have never supported the unions, or the common man in any sense. They have always served corporations and the military industrial complex.

And so the unions support the party that believes in individual rights. It would be suicide not to.

Public unions are fairly impotent and it's funny to see people get all riled up about them. They can't strike, so the only actual power they have is the collective power of their individual votes come election time. If you have a problem with the contract they negotiate you need to look to your elected reps, not some teacher trying to feed his family.

Private unions are nearly non-existent now compared to their height back before Reagan abused his Presidential power in his personal vendetta as a union hater. He is the man most responsible for America's fall from the throne of productivity. When I was young, Made in Japan meant cheap and chintzy while Made in America meant the best product in the world.

Here's a telling tidbit on why we're in the worst economic shape we've been in since The Great Depression:

American union membership in the private sector has in recent years fallen under 9% — levels not seen since 1932.

 

[huevonkiller]

This is simply because historically Republicans have never supported the unions, or the common man in any sense. They have always served corporations and the military industrial complex.

Serving corporations, and the businesses that hire you? Convoluted thinking.

Historically I don't care what happened 50 years ago, right now you are ravaging this world with terrible public programs.

And so the unions support the party that believes in individual rights. It would be suicide not to.

Suicide is spending this country into bankruptcy..... Which we are still on pace for. No one will ever propose your tax hikes because they are unfit and simply shift wealth into inefficient public sectors.

Public unions are fairly impotent and it's funny to see people get all riled up about them. They can't strike, so the only actual power they have is the collective power of their individual votes come election time. If you have a problem with the contract they negtiate you need to look to your elected reps, not some teacher trying to feed his family.

Oh fuck a spelling error, holy shit!!!!!!!!!

Why can't you spell right?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Maris, the problem here is that while your points about what unions did do a century ago are undeniable(ended child labor, properly increased wages, brought benefits badly needed, brought safety to the workplace...), it is also undeniable that they are also the single entity most froth with corruption (it all it's many ways- graft, theft, fraudulent political doings...) and violence in our country's history. They are part & parcel of organized crime. Greatly exceeding the "mob". In addition, the unions are the single greatest reason manufacturing has disappeared, forever, from our country for all future generations as well. Unions no longer look out for workers- they look out for unions. But haven't the mental capacity to acknowledge that. You have this giant set of blinders on that seems to believe that unions are glorified and the on-going savior of the country. No offense, but it's like trying to tell Hitler that maybe Jews have some redeeming value afterall. And when a person is so hopelessly blinded to the point where people have to rightly question their sanity it becomes difficult to deal with them. In all honesty, I think you need some help. Professional help. You have a 100% inability to pull yourself away from union worship despite clear and undeniable facts. That's scary.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is simply because historically Republicans have never supported the unions, or the common man in any sense. They have always served corporations and the military industrial complex.

And so the unions support the party that believes in individual rights. It would be suicide not to.

Public unions are fairly impotent and it's funny to see people get all riled up about them. They can't strike, so the only actual power they have is the collective power of their individual votes come election time. If you have a problem with the contract they negtiate you need to look to your elected reps, not some teacher trying to feed his family.

Private unions are nearly non-existent now compared to their height back before Reagan abused his Presidential power in his personal vendetta as a union hater. He is the man most responsible for America's fall from the throne of productivity. When I was young, Made in Japan meant cheap and chintzy while Made in America meant the best product in the world.

Here's a telling tidbit on why we're in the worst economic shape we've been in since The Great Depression:

American union membership in the private sector has in recent years fallen under 9% — levels not seen since 1932.

You needed a better history book and history teacher.

 

[ABM]

As [unions] fade away in America, so have the rights they brought us.

Sure. Tell that to Costco, WINCO, Whole Foods (and even Starbucks) employees. A few of my favorite places to shop. As an alternative to unions, I'm a big supporter of "employee-owned" corporations. In fact, I believe it was BP who told me that WINCO has turned out more than a few millionaires via their progressive profit-sharing program.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

WINCO has turned out more than a few millionaires via their progressive profit-sharing program.

THEY SHOULD BE FIRST BEATEN BY UNION EMPLOYEES, TAXED TO NEAR DEATH AND THEN BEATEN AGAIN BY UNION EMPLOYEES!!! DA, COMRADE!

 

[maxiep]

http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/89366

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/89366

Again, it's a matter of undeniable fact that union violence is just part of who they are.

 

[maxiep]

Again, it's a matter of undeniable fact that union violence is just part of who they are.

I disagree. I think it's a measure of their desperation that they've become--Pinkerton--what they fought against at their inception. They see the end, and they're trying to survive in a country that no longer needs them.

What I'd like to see are unions in the Third World. There, they would be useful.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

IWhat I'd like to see are unions in the Third World. There, they would be useful.

Mexico Drug Cartel Union 319

 

[huevonkiller]

Mexico Drug Cartel Union 319

Glad you brought that up.

Ultimately violence and government corruption dominate the third world. It has nothing to do with capitalism, quite the contrary. The bottom billion are landlocked around terrible neighbors, terrorist organizations, unstable governments, etc.

 

[MARIS61]

Maris, the problem here is that while your points about what unions did do a century ago are undeniable(ended child labor, properly increased wages, brought benefits badly needed, brought safety to the workplace...), it is also undeniable that they are also the single entity most froth with corruption (it all it's many ways- graft, theft, fraudulent political doings...) and violence in our country's history. They are part & parcel of organized crime. Greatly exceeding the "mob". In addition, the unions are the single greatest reason manufacturing has disappeared, forever, from our country for all future generations as well.

Nonsense.

Your description better fits our government, in all it's forms.

Unions are the common man's ONLY defense against tyranny, other than armed conflict.

You acknowledge history, but refuse to learn from it.

 

[MARIS61]

Sure. Tell that to Costco, WINCO, Whole Foods (and even Starbucks) employees. A few of my favorite places to shop. As an alternative to unions, I'm a big supporter of "employee-owned" corporations. In fact, I believe it was BP who told me that WINCO has turned out more than a few millionaires via their progressive profit-sharing program.

Those provide far less compensation for employees than their union competitors, but with the exception of Starbucks, do provide adequate employee representation and bargaining power. They are the honorable exceptions to the rule. It is why they are doing well amongst a plethora of failing corporations.

If their philosophy changes, their employees will organize unions. Most corporations have more of a slavemaster mentality, and will abuse employees to whatever extent the law allows them and often far beyond that line.

 

[MARIS61]

I disagree. I think it's a measure of their desperation that they've become--Pinkerton--what they fought against at their inception. They see the end, and they're trying to survive in a country that no longer needs them.

What I'd like to see are unions in the Third World. There, they would be useful.

Without unions, we are the Third World.

 

[huevonkiller]

Without unions, we are the Third World.

Maris you don't know what a trillion dollars is, I'm not certain you comprehend this discussion.

Maybe you need to take some introductory college courses. Or Pre-Cal.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Nonsense.

Your description better fits our government, in all it's forms.

Unions are the common man's ONLY defense against tyranny, other than armed conflict.

You acknowledge history, but refuse to learn from it.

Care to place a list side by side of all union leaders placed in jail and all congressmen placed in jail over the last 75 years?

I didn't think so.

Game.

Set.

Match.

Next thread, please.

 

[ABM]

MARIS, go ahead and take a shot at forming that United Realtors of Central Oregon union and see how that goes.

 

[MickZagger]

A unionized commission job? That will be the day.

 

[ABM]

A unionized commission job? That will be the day.

Hey, they need to be protected, as well,

 

[maxiep]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/08/does-anyone-care-about-actual-political-violence.php

 

[ABM]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/08/does-anyone-care-about-actual-political-violence.php

Well, there ya go.

Thanks for sharing.