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Maybe there is a good technical reason this cant be done, I just haven't heard it.

I understand normally you would never do it as you have to pay to extract oil, pay to pump it back, then pay later to extract it.

But if you are literally getting paid to take oil it seems like the economics could actually support some crazy plan such as this.
Oil goes bad. It’s an organic substance that exists at an extremely high temperatures and even higher pressures deep within in the earth. It eventually changes chemically when not in its natural state.
 
Oil goes bad. It’s an organic substance that exists at an extremely high temperatures and even higher pressures deep within in the earth. It eventually changes chemically when not in its natural state.
I didn’t know that. How long does it take to go bad?
 
I didn’t know that. How long does it take to go bad?
I’m not 100% sure, but after working a number of years in the oil industry the consensus was that it does indeed go bad. I’ve heard varying theories from months to years.
 
I’m not 100% sure, but after working a number of years in the oil industry the consensus was that it does indeed go bad. I’ve heard varying theories from months to years.
Totally, I mean it’s organic, therefore common sense would mean it decomposes. I’m just curious by how much.
 
Trying to wrap my mind around this; I suppose someone who bought the oil previously in a futures contract but had no way to physically store it. They are in a contract to exchange cash for oil in May and the contract is finalizing today. They probably planned to sell at a profit when prices increased, however prices never increased.

Now they need to buy storage for their item or sell the product. The price to sell (dispose) of it is $35 a barrel.

If they don't fulfill the contract the trading platform cancels their account and takes their cash reserves. So they cant just walk away from the initial futures purchase.
As good an explanation as Cramer came up with. I certainly could see that.
 
I had a 3 week road trip planned for next month. My plans were to visit Nashville, Memphis and the Mississippi Blues Trail. It was bad enough that I had to cancel it but I’m even more pissed now that gas is so cheap. It was over $3 a gallon when I planned the thing. The savings would have bought a lot of beer on the road. But then, they’ll buy a lot of beer at home too, I guess........
Maybe you should reconsider Tennessee just decided to open back up this week.
 
Oil goes bad. It’s an organic substance that exists at an extremely high temperatures and even higher pressures deep within in the earth. It eventually changes chemically when not in its natural state.
No.
Gasoline can expire and drop in grade but Crude oil does not go bad unless exposed to the elements. Packaged or contained correctly it will last a very very long time.
 
"ExxonMobil states, "In general, the recommended shelf life for oils and greases is typically five years when stored properly in the original sealed containers."

https://petroleumservicecompany.com/blog/oil-storage-oil-shelf-life/

now, that is for refined oil(s)....I think

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When you consider that most of it is thousands of years old if not more, the simple answer is that no, it does not go bad! But exposure to oxygen, bacteria, sunlight or other types of energy sources transforms it. An asphaltic type crude will lose the lighter fractions and become more tar like ( think of the La Brea tar pits In California), a napthanic crude will mostly evaporate away until only the heavier fractions are left as will a paraffinic based crude.

So crude oil does not expire but it can be transformed over time when exposed to the elements
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Allin Trevor, Professional Engineer
Answered Oct 14, 2019 · Author has 163 answers and 36.1k answer views
"No. Unprocessed crude oil is already several million years old, another few years aren't going to make it go bad. It can lose the lighter components if it is stored uncovered, so make sure you store it hermetic.

Refined products, such as gasoline can break down as lighter distillates evaporate
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I don't know if any of this is accurate
 
No.
Gasoline can expire and drop in grade but Crude oil does not go bad unless exposed to the elements. Packaged or contained correctly it will last a very very long time.


But crude oil cannot be pumped back into an old depleted oil reserve for long term storage; right? That's what johnyboy was responding to.
 
Trump briefly mentioned that our strategic reserve will be filled to capacity. The other aspect is that oil makes plastics and road asphalt Since we have a downturned economy; those markets are affected too.
 
"ExxonMobil states, "In general, the recommended shelf life for oils and greases is typically five years when stored properly in the original sealed containers."

https://petroleumservicecompany.com/blog/oil-storage-oil-shelf-life/

now, that is for refined oil(s)....I think

"
When you consider that most of it is thousands of years old if not more, the simple answer is that no, it does not go bad! But exposure to oxygen, bacteria, sunlight or other types of energy sources transforms it. An asphaltic type crude will lose the lighter fractions and become more tar like ( think of the La Brea tar pits In California), a napthanic crude will mostly evaporate away until only the heavier fractions are left as will a paraffinic based crude.

So crude oil does not expire but it can be transformed over time when exposed to the elements
!"
**********************************************

Allin Trevor, Professional Engineer
Answered Oct 14, 2019 · Author has 163 answers and 36.1k answer views
"No. Unprocessed crude oil is already several million years old, another few years aren't going to make it go bad. It can lose the lighter components if it is stored uncovered, so make sure you store it hermetic.

Refined products, such as gasoline can break down as lighter distillates evaporate
."

I don't know if any of this is accurate
The oil people are using expiration dates like it's a food product. No One can believe that.
 
No.
Gasoline can expire and drop in grade but Crude oil does not go bad unless exposed to the elements. Packaged or contained correctly it will last a very very long time.

That’s a Reddit post.
 
Yes, oil is “millions of years old”. But it also exists naturally a mile deep in the earth at 300 degrees and up to 10,000 psi. It doesn’t just stay in the same state forever when you expose it to oxygen, low temperatures and low pressure at the earths surface.
 
That’s a Reddit post.
Yes it is. Doesn't make it wrong. It just contained a number of links on the subject. There are hundreds of other links. Oil if stored properly and kept from the elements will last longer than your lifetime. Does it really matter after that? If you store crude oil in an open bucket it will not last. If you cap and seal the bucket it will.
 
Yes it is. Doesn't make it wrong. It just contained a number of links on the subject. There are hundreds of other links. Oil if stored properly and kept from the elements will last longer than your lifetime. Does it really matter after that? If you store crude oil in an open bucket it will not last. If you cap and seal the bucket it will.

So it sounds like jonnyboy was right you cant just store it out in the open or in a hole in the ground it will go bad if not stored properly.
 
Maybe you should reconsider Tennessee just decided to open back up this week.
Nah. Health wise I am more susceptible than some my age (cardiac issues). And I believe in social distancing, not Russian Roulette. Too, the particular Joe Bubba states I was going to visit were far less proactive (more stupid???) in terms of safety measures than more enlightened states. They apparently care more about the tourist’s pocketbooks than their health. Fuck ‘em. I doubt things are going to be “normal” for awhile, so I’m using part of my travel fund to make home life more enjoyable (outdoor gas fire table, new work bench, etc) and stimulate the economy while this thing plays out. Hopefully I can hit the road again this fall (assuming the wife doesn’t wipe out the rest of this year’s travel budget)......and there’s always next year......or next year’s virus.......
 
Yes it is. Doesn't make it wrong. It just contained a number of links on the subject. There are hundreds of other links. Oil if stored properly and kept from the elements will last longer than your lifetime. Does it really matter after that? If you store crude oil in an open bucket it will not last. If you cap and seal the bucket it will.
Black gold, Texas tea....
 
The oil people are using expiration dates like it's a food product. No One can believe that.

Finished products such as oil, greases, gas and diesel all have a shelf life and can go bad. I was in the industry for almost 30 years and distributed Chevron and Mobil oil products.
 
So it sounds like jonnyboy was right you cant just store it out in the open or in a hole in the ground it will go bad if not stored properly.
In this instance he would be correct. But exactly who stores oil in a open hole in the ground? If i leave my gallon of milk open and out on the counter it will go bad also. Lets step back into realty here. We are talking about OIL and oil production. Super Tankers full of it. You want to start trying to talk about hypothetical situations and off hand issues then go ahead. Notice the thread title is about the price of oil on the world markets.
 
In this instance he would be correct. But exactly who stores oil in a open hole in the ground? If i leave my gallon of milk open and out on the counter it will go bad also. Lets step back into realty here. We are talking about OIL and oil production. Super Tankers full of it. You want to start trying to talk about hypothetical situations and off hand issues then go ahead. Notice the thread title is about the price of oil on the world markets.

I asked what is the reason oil cannot be pumped back into a depleted oil reserve to store it for a number of months... it was a reasonable question, he explained why its not feasible.

A lot of commodities can be stored just fine in the open for months; gold, silver, granite, aluminium, salts.
 
I wonder how much oil the Moda could hold? It's not being used right now.
 
I asked what is the reason oil cannot be pumped back into a depleted oil reserve to store it for a number of months... it was a reasonable question, he explained why its not feasible.

A lot of commodities can be stored just fine in the open for months; gold, silver, granite, aluminium, salts.
Now ya gonna compare oil to granite? Okay. Don't leave gold or silver out in the elements either.
 
Finished products such as oil, greases, gas and diesel all have a shelf life and can go bad. I was in the industry for almost 30 years and distributed Chevron and Mobil oil products.
Your credibility has changed my tune. It's still hard to believe.
 

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