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SlyPokerDog said:
That's twice now I've tried to engage you in conversation and invite you to go into greater detail about your believes. If you want others to share it might be helpful to understand their audience (which is you.)

Do you believe mothers and doctors should be criminally punished for performing or having an abortion?

Do you believe in birth control? Should it be provided? Taught about in school?

About about pregnancies caused by rape?

What about disease or defects with the baby pre-birth?

Should we outlaw overseas adoptions?

If we force a woman to carry a baby to term do we as a society have any financial responsibilities for it?

The bible puts abortion and divorce as equally bad. How do you rectify that as someone who has been divorced?
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First off, I believe that abortion is a matter of a women's body, and men should have no say in it.

I don't believe a doctor or mother should be criminally punished for performing/ having an abortion. Maybe a late term.

I believe in birth control. It should be provided and it should be taught. There is such an issue because people aren't informed.

I believe a woman should have a right to an abortion if she is raped, God forbid. That's terrible and I could see why she would want to. I could never understand it as a man, but I can see.

I think it depends on the disease. If the child can live and not suffer, I don't see why an abortion is neccessary. If it's a debilitating disease or defect and the child would spend his/her life suffering in pain, I could see it being neccessary.


Ban overseas abortions? We can't say what happens in another country. We don't make everyones laws.

I don't think a woman should be forced to do anything. But, yes there is an obligation.

I don't think one can equate divorce and abortion.
 
ABM said:
Sly, I have been, and am, open to discussions that have to do with me, personally. That's not the nature of this thread, though. As I mentioned at the outset. I'm simply wanting to get more familiar with others' opinions of Donald Trump as President. In other words, just pretend I'm not even here and openly share your (hopefully, objective) thoughts on his Presidency.
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My opinion on trump is that he is a despicable human being and if we ran in the same circles I could never be friends with a person who has the views he has.

He doesn't like blacks. I have 2 grandkids and 2 nieces that are mixed black and white

He shows very little respect to women

He constantly lies

He has been one of the least transparent presidents we have had despite his constant claim that he is the most transparent (just another lie). His refusal to show his taxes clearly indicates he has something to hide.

His view of the environment is horrible and I feel sorry for generations if we continue down the path he wants to go

The constant divide in this country is solely on his shoulders

His mistreatment of immigrant children as well as the adults is disgusting for a country that is suppose to be a world leader and show compassion to all people regardless of race, religion or gender.

He caters to big business while squashing the middle class on down.

His out of control spending with excessive amounts to the military and his attempt to divert funds that were appropriated elsewhere for his stupid border wall that was promised by him to be paid by Mexico.

His continual cozying up to the dictators and his constant creation of separation from our allies.

I could go on and on, but that's enough to show why I despise the cheeto in the oval office.
 
Trump is not a Republican. Trump is an opportunist. He'll say anything people want to hear in order to get elected and raid the hen house. The guy is in office to make money. He doesn't give a rats ass about Christian values or anything else. He played to people's fear and their hatred. It got him elected and it got people to ignore their own values to elect someone that clearly doesn't share their moral compass.

Voting for him is voting against this country. Plain and simple.
 
This video just shows he is not a decent human being. Any decent, moral person would respond to the person in the crowd by saying "no, we don't need to shoot them. They're human beings looking for a better life".

What does this sycophant, this psychopath do?

He laughs.

 
Interesting topic @ABM. Just today I said to my wife, "I don't se how anyone who is really a Christian, who follows Jesus' example, could support this guy."

I'm not talking policies, abortion, etc. I mean, how could a Christian support this amoral, deceitful, lost, repugnant man who stands and acts in opposition to everything Jesus and his life were about?
 
calvin natt said:
Honest question. You said right to life is a major factor for you. I respect that completely. Do you think being passionate about ones right to life *should* carry over to being passionate about that persons life after birth? Like treating people of all races and sexual orientations well? Do you think Trump does that?
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Trump is the only President who has ever helped minorities be self-sufficient and claim the American Dream, and it is amazing how quickly he snuck it all past or forced it through Congress against their will. The First Step Act and Prison Reform are monumental programs that restore criminals, mostly minorities, to society and give them an honest chance at an honest life. Incredible all-time record employment numbers for minorities seemed to appear from nowhere once he jump-started our perpetually stagnant economy. His tariffs on China attack modern slavery at it's home base of China, where modern day slave-renters Phil Knight, Bill Gates and their 1 percenter friends have their products made by children, prisoners and over 1 million Muslims who all work 15 hr days every day of their lives. Your computer and your nikes were made by slaves who are probably dead now. Every President since Nixon has used China's slavery to prop up our economy, because it was easy, secret, and because they were too ignorant of the business world to recognize a well negotiated business deal is more powerful than any diplomatic threat or pact.

Most colorblind President ever. Hires people to perform and if they drag their heels or otherwise fail to perform he fires them and hires another prospect. Judges people by their actions and successes and that's the only people who should ever be allowed to serve in public office. Draining the swamp is a real thing and it means eradicating thousands of longtime deadbeats accomplishing nothing while draining billions of taxpayers dollars in salaries alone.
 
MARIS61 said:
Trump is the only President who has ever helped minorities be self-sufficient and claim the American Dream, and it is amazing how quickly he snuck it all past or forced it through Congress against their will. The First Step Act and Prison Reform are monumental programs that restore criminals, mostly minorities, to society and give them an honest chance at an honest life. Incredible all-time record employment numbers for minorities seemed to appear from nowhere once he jump-started our perpetually stagnant economy. His tariffs on China attack modern slavery at it's home base of China, where modern day slave-renters Phil Knight, Bill Gates and their 1 percenter friends have their products made by children, prisoners and over 1 million Muslims who all work 15 hr days every day of their lives. Your computer and your nikes were made by slaves who are probably dead now. Every President since Nixon has used China's slavery to prop up our economy, because it was easy, secret, and because they were too ignorant of the business world to recognize a well negotiated business deal is more powerful than any diplomatic threat or pact.

Most colorblind President ever. Hires people to perform and if they drag their heels or otherwise fail to perform he fires them and hires another prospect. Judges people by their actions and successes and that's the only people who should ever be allowed to serve in public office. Draining the swamp is a real thing and it means eradicating thousands of longtime deadbeats accomplishing nothing while draining billions of taxpayers dollars in salaries alone.
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You seriously cant believe the stuff you write.
 
ABM said:
Hey, guys....

OK, first of all, I'm rather sure it's apparent to most everyone here that I'm a Christian, Conservative, and overall supporter of President Trump. I did vote for him.

It may also be apparent that a very big issue for me is right to life. I believe that a human life is, well, a life....at conception. My Bible is clear about that. (Psalm 139:13-16; Jeremiah 1:15; Job 31:15; Psalm 22:10..and other passages come to mind) Even if only for that one solitary reason I support Trump, that's still been enough for me. I do support him on other issues, as well, but that's not the nature of my post/thread, here.

I'm here to "listen", not debate nor argue. What I hope to gain from this thread are objective, if not passionate, responses from all y'all as to what it is about Trump that you would never vote for, nor support him on.

Please, if you wouldn't mind, don't make this thread about, "Isn't it obvious to you?!?", or, "I can't stand that @#$%^$ and wished he were _____!!" or such. What I'm seriously hoping for, again, are honest and objective reasons why you're so opposed to him. And, along with you remarks, it would be awesome if you could share a legitimate link that backs up your position. Not some blog carved out in someone's basement.....if you know what I mean.

I will completely refrain from debate or negative comments. I've always considered myself as someone who seeks knowledge, understanding, and perspective. And that's the case here.

Thanks in advance for your your responses. I will read them with a completely open mind.

ABM - Tim
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Do you think you're gonna cut down on abortions by outlawing them? I see it as having the opposite effect.
 
MARIS61 said:
Trump is the only President who has ever helped minorities be self-sufficient and claim the American Dream
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This is clearly white hate speech....minorities have become self sufficient and claimed the American dream long before the spoiled rich white New Yorker ever opened his mouth....your post is condescending to hard working people all around the country ….you think Trump is a pied piper for immigration and minority success in America......I think you're just spewing bs just to sound like your twitter idol. Trump is the worst leader ever to hold office and you are just his cheerleader.....good luck with that. What your guy has done is embolden violent racists to take up arms and spout supremacy and division. You talk of Chinese slavery, American slavery when in fact Trump has put the American farmer...backbone of the nation on welfare even though he and his family have profited from Chinese labor …..see Macy's dept store and Trumps Chinese ties....
 
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Thanks for everyone's responses thus far. I think the hatred of Trump in these parts is rather evident.
 
barfo said:
True, but there are other planets in the solar system where he is probably not yet known.

barfo
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Well, we all know S2 rules the universe.
 
ABM said:
I can understand strong disagreement, but utter hatred I suppose I'm not really gathering.
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I'd say using the descriptor "utter hatred" is sensationalizing a bit....I don't like Trump, don't Trust Trump and think he's a horrible president a liar and an asshole....I've stated every reason why since long before he was ever involved in politics.....I'm not objective about the man because of his own actions and words...I own that opinion...surely you can gather that...I defend the people he heckles and insults for what I believe to be very good reasons
 
ABM said:
I can understand strong disagreement, but utter hatred I suppose I'm not really gathering.
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Interesting. I can not think of a single reason to like him. I mean, as a person, I don’t see a single redeeming quality. If you know of one id love to hear it.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's pretty vague and there are many differing views within the Right to Life debate. What do you believe?
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I believe that God designed men and women to abstain from sex prior to marriage. Wow, what a concept that would be, right? That aside, I believe the states should have the right to make their own statutes regarding abortion..and the rules surrounding what may be legal, or not. Personally, I would be accepting to abortion in the case of rape. In my estimation, I believe that's the only instance where the woman is absolutely opposed to the intercourse.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
To be fair I think just about everyone has a pretty narrow scope, and are pretty quick to dismiss things that dont affirm what they want to hear.
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I don't want to hear that, so I'm going to dismiss your post.
 
ABM said:
Thanks for everyone's responses thus far. I think the hatred of Trump in these parts is rather evident.
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barfo said:
True, but there are other planets in the solar system where he is probably not yet known.

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Ha! Yet the hatred of Trump is not universal, even if barf things so.
And that is the way it is on S2.
Trump 2020!
 
ABM said:
Fox News has nothing but outstanding things to say about the man's accomplishments as President. Geez, didn't you already know that? ;)

In other words, to use a phrase, it's the economy, stupid. :)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...economy_is_bad_news_for_democrats_140956.html

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wow really? Fox news? Now that's downright hilarious.

Gee, the president took over a country whose economy got turned around and all he had to do is not get in its way and yet here he is fucking over the farmers, giving tax breaks to the rich and wages are still stagnant. Minimum wage is a joke and the republicans excuse is go get another job or two if you can't make ends meet. Yeah, great economy.

So you have no problem with a president that constantly lies?

Spends excessive money on the military in which our budget is around the same as the next 6-8 countries combined and our infrastructure is crumbling before our eyes.

Claims to be a white nationalist

Proven racist but claims he is the least racist person in the world (rotflmao),

Has divided the country beyond recognition

and so on and so on, but yeah, he's a great guy.

spends excessive money on all his golf trips which happens to be at the tax payers expense while he profits from the rest of us paying for his golf outings.

Enjoy the next 1 1/2 years. I don't think your boy will be there after that. I happen to have much higher expectations for a president than what we are getting. :bgrin:
 
Trump taking credit for the economy is like Olshey taking credit for Lillard. I mean, yeah, he was in the chair when it happened but let’s not go overboard. Wheels were in motion.
 
julius said:
Try widening your scope.
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I watch the ladies of the View this morning. I think I gleaned that they hate his ass, Trump I mean. Not much to learn from the view though, just snark to hate.
 
MarAzul said:
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I watch the ladies of the View this morning. I think I gleaned that they hate his ass, Trump I mean. Not much to learn from the view though, just snark to hate.
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I didn't say watch crap on tv
 
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