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that's terrible for Miami.
 
RR7 said:
that's terrible for Miami.
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Is it though? Wade and LJ have already proven they can still destroy teams without Bosh. Last season's playoffs showed their glaring weakness at Center and PF. Camby would give them D and rebounding. If Oden actually can muster up and play next season, then this deal would be amazing for them.

Rhino is a low post scorer, not the greatest, but decent. Also, they shed cap room and luxury tax the following year, getting rid of Bosh's contract.
 
Okay whacky #4 trade.

Three Team: Boston, PDX and Miami

Portland Trades: Felton, Batum, E Will, Camby, Rights to Oden, Smith. They receive: Chris Bosh and Rajon Rondo.

Miami Trades: Chris Bosh. They receive Camby, Oden and Smith.

Boston trades: Rajan Rondo. They receive Felton, Batum and E. Williams.

Blazers sign Patty Mills.

Blazer's new starting line-up: Rondo, Matthews, Wallace, Bosh, Aldridge.

Blazer key reserves: Mills, Crawford, Babbit, Pryzbilla, Thomas.
 
Miami can get so much more for Bosh. That's terrible.
You're basically offering up Batum and EWill for Rondo and Bosh. Come on.
Miami laughs and blocks your calls.
 
RR7 said:
Miami can get so much more for Bosh. That's terrible.
You're basically offering up Batum and EWill for Rondo and Bosh. Come on.
Miami laughs and blocks your calls.
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Um, E Will and Batum for Rondo is actually pretty good, IMO. There are three very good free agents this summer and Boston will have about 27 mil free. You don't think their large market and roster wouldn't entice a Nash or D Will?

As for Miami, if you put their hat on, they are going to be in a huge Luxury tax thresh hold. Also, they've already proven they can easily dominate even without Bosh. Adding the rights to Oden could pan out to something amazing. They could get him for cheap and he may pan out. That alone could make them an instant dynasty. In the meantime, they can have Rhino and Camby to get them tougher in the playoffs. Camby wouldn't be needed as much because Wade and LJ can keep them #1 in the league until playoffs.
 
it's not just ewill and batum for rondo. You're taking Bosh as well. They've shown they can win games without him. Woohoo. So they're just going to dump him? Oden COULD pan out to something amazing. Yeah. And he could here. If they want him, they can just sign him in the offseason when he is a free agent. Because he isn't panning out to anything amazing this season. Rhino and Camby. Oh boy! That's shit. Bosh is a top 25, top 30 player in the league, at least. And you're offering up Camby and Rhino. No. It's AWFUL for them.
 
No way I trade Batum for Rondo and Bosh.
 
RR7 said:
it's not just ewill and batum for rondo. You're taking Bosh as well. They've shown they can win games without him. Woohoo. So they're just going to dump him? Oden COULD pan out to something amazing. Yeah. And he could here. If they want him, they can just sign him in the offseason when he is a free agent. Because he isn't panning out to anything amazing this season. Rhino and Camby. Oh boy! That's shit. Bosh is a top 25, top 30 player in the league, at least. And you're offering up Camby and Rhino. No. It's AWFUL for them.
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Actually no they can't. They are way over the tax threshhold; so they would only be able to offer min MLE. But getting the luxury tax dump from Bosh, would allow them to give a Full MLE for another free agent. Actually puts them in a good position to get another piece.
 
And Oden's going to get offered more than 2 million a year in the offseason, knowing he's likely missing the season? Unlikely. Wow, the abiloity to use the FULL MLE. And can they get someone with the full MLE as good as Bosh? No. the trade is terrible for Miami.
 
Mediocre Man said:
For all of you that want to continue to compete in futility, here is a good trade

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7q8h3fm

Portland would also send 3 mil to Milwaukee, and a future 1st 2015 to Minnesota.
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compete in futility? Also gives us really good young talent in Williams, which is likely better than what we'd be getting by dipping back into the lottery. A Jennings, Matthews, Williams, Aldridge, Joel(just going to assume Bogut keeps hurting himself here) lineup aint bad.
 
If Beasly for Crawford happens. I would do this trade soon after. Seems Orlando wants Nash bad. They think Nash would be perfect to compliment Howard and keep him in Orlando.

Three-team deal between PDX, PHX, ORL

Portland trades: Matthews, G. Wallace, R. Felton. They receive: Nelson, Redick, Frye and Orlando's first rounder.

Orlando trades: Nelson, Reddick, their first rounder and R. Anderson. They receive: Nash, Matthews and Warrick.

Phoenix trades: Nash, Frye and Warrick. They receive G. Wall, Felton and Anderson.

New starting line-up: Nelson, Batum, Beasly, Aldridge, Frye

Key reserves: Reddick, E Will, Pryzbilla and Thomas. I would try and release or use Chris Johnson to one of the teams, so we can sign Mills too. I think he would be a good back-up.
 
magnifier661 said:
If Beasly for Crawford happens. I would do this trade soon after. Seems Orlando wants Nash bad. They think Nash would be perfect to compliment Howard and keep him in Orlando.

Three-team deal between PDX, PHX, ORL

Portland trades: Matthews, G. Wallace, R. Felton. They receive: Nelson, Redick, Frye and Orlando's first rounder.

Orlando trades: Nelson, Reddick, their first rounder and R. Anderson. They receive: Nash, Matthews and Warrick.

Phoenix trades: Nash, Frye and Warrick. They receive G. Wall, Felton and Anderson.

New starting line-up: Nelson, Batum, Beasly, Aldridge, Frye

Key reserves: Reddick, E Will, Pryzbilla and Thomas. I would try and release or use Chris Johnson to one of the teams, so we can sign Mills too. I think he would be a good back-up.
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Mags you need to stop making trades just to make trades... that team would be HORRIBLE, it would eat up all our cap space, and I guarantee we wouldn't be better than we are right now. Seriously, I would rather just keep Batum, EWill and Aldridge and build from there. Frye is overpaid. Nelson would be horrible here. Reddick is meh. I don't mind the idea of Beasley but it's a big gamble.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Mags you need to stop making trades just to make trades... that team would be HORRIBLE, it would eat up all our cap space, and I guarantee we wouldn't be better than we are right now. Seriously, I would rather just keep Batum, EWill and Aldridge and build from there. Frye is overpaid. Nelson would be horrible here. Reddick is meh. I don't mind the idea of Beasley but it's a big gamble.
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Actually it wouldn't. We would still have 10-12 mil still to offer. We traded Matthews; which is guaranteed 7 mil this summer. There is no guarantee that Wallace will opt out, so it only leaves "Failton's expiring of 7.6 mil"

If you look closely at this deal: Matthews 6.1, Wallace 9.5, and Failton 7.6 = That is 23 mil. We get back 21 mil in contracts. If we have them get a Smith for an additional 1.7 mil; it's not that bad.
 
magnifier661 said:
Actually it wouldn't. We would still have 10-12 mil still to offer. We traded Matthews; which is guaranteed 7 mil this summer. There is no guarantee that Wallace will opt out, so it only leaves "Failton's expiring of 7.6 mil"

If you look closely at this deal: Matthews 6.1, Wallace 9.5, and Failton 7.6 = That is 23 mil. We get back 21 mil in contracts. If we have them get a Smith for an additional 1.7 mil; it's not that bad.
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There is a guarantee that if he is healthy he will. I hate that people say there isn't, he is the #1 or 2 (depending on what you say of Batum)SF on the market and if healthy will get a nice size contract because of all the teams with huge amounts of capspace and the new clause in the CBA that teams have to use 90% of the cap.
Fact of the matter this team doesn't need major overhauls this year because of how we have positioned ourselves for the off season. Lets just ride it out and it we miss the playoffs we get a lottery pick and have amazing capspace. There isn't a good reason to give up young talent for Nash and then have to take back bad contracts on top of him. We will have so much flexibility in the off season that we would be able to make a trade for a #1 in 2013 pick then turn our lottery pick into one of the RFA on a new contract like Jrue Holiday.
Three weeks ago I wanted to do everything we could to get a new PG and make a run at the playoffs, now watching this team I like the idea of keeping our options open. Make trades but only if it keeps our capspace open this summer unless of course its for a very good player.
Something like http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7elhku5 which deals Crawford to Minnesota for Beasley and deals Wallace to the Rockets for a bunch of guys who expire this summer and two maybe okay players in Hill/Morris. This is just off the top of my head dunno if the rockets would do this but I know they like Wallace and want to try and make a big splash in the playoffs. I would also only do those trades if it was pretty apparent we were going to the lotto.
 
RR7 said:
you have to save the trade, and then post the link
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=86f48y8 or http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=87y4zvd

Thoughts on these?

I've always felt like Memphis was misusing Mayo and I think he could flourish as a ball-dominant guard similar to BRoy. At worst he's an expiring, at best, putting the ball in his hands and letting him run the show could be a steal (he's been a headache and a "me" player, but you can't deny his talent)... He's the type of guard you could put next to somewhat more passive guys like Aldridge and Batum.

Memphis has won 9 of their last 10 games and is making a push to be competitive in the playoffs like they did last year. Wallace would come in as a glue/hustle guy, or Crawford could come in and provide more experience in a very similar role that they're using Mayo in now...

I guess I see this as a "worth it" trade from the "why not?" perspective...
 
glazeduck said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=86f48y8 or http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=87y4zvd

Thoughts on these?

I've always felt like Memphis was misusing Mayo and I think he could flourish as a ball-dominant guard similar to BRoy. At worst he's an expiring, at best, putting the ball in his hands and letting him run the show could be a steal (he's been a headache and a "me" player, but you can't deny his talent)... He's the type of guard you could put next to somewhat more passive guys like Aldridge and Batum.

Memphis has won 9 of their last 10 games and is making a push to be competitive in the playoffs like they did last year. Wallace would come in as a glue/hustle guy, or Crawford could come in and provide more experience in a very similar role that they're using Mayo in now...

I guess I see this as a "worth it" trade from the "why not?" perspective...
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I don't hate either trade, but I see no reason to bring in Mayo when we have a player like Williams who might be as good not getting a lot of time
 
Mediocre Man said:
I don't hate either trade, but I see no reason to bring in Mayo when we have a player like Williams who might be as good not getting a lot of time
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To clarify my idea - I'm suggesting we do this trade to give Mayo a 20ish game tryout at POINT GUARD.
 
glazeduck said:
To clarify my idea - I'm suggesting we do this trade to give Mayo a 20ish game tryout at POINT GUARD.
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Then sure. Either he or Williams to see if they can play it the right way, not the Nate way. Both played some in college
 
Mediocre Man said:
Then sure. Either he or Williams to see if they can play it the right way, not the Nate way. Both played some in college
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Agreed. I'm definitely all for giving EWill a shot at the point as well... Just see a "buy low" opportunity on Mayo with nothing but upside...
 
Three-way between Minny, Toronto and Portland

Toronto sends: Calderon and their first rounder. They receive G. Wallace and Luke Ridnour.

Portland sends: G. Wallace and Jamal Crawford. They receive Toronto's pick, Calderon and Beasly.

Minny sends: Beasly and Luke Ridnour. They receive Jamal Crawford.

I know this isn't a "OMG, this changes everything" type deal, but I think we can get a good first rounder out of it. We would have a decent PGofTF in return.

Then I would do this deal.

Three-Way between Orlando, Phoenix and Portland

Portland trades: Felton and Kurt Thomas. They receive J. J. Reddick.

Orlando trades: Nelson, their first rounder, Richardson and Reddick. They receive Frye, Nash and Warrick.

Phoenix trades: Nash, Frye and Warrick. They receive Felton, Nelson, Richardson, Thomas and Orlando's first rounder.
 
toronto is not moving their first round pick with calderon. That's terrible.
 
RR7 said:
toronto is not moving their first round pick with calderon. That's terrible.
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Found out that Minny still has Utah's protected. We can just take that one I guess, since that's the rumor.
 
portland can't send 14 and 16 picks to Orlando. Would have to be 15 and 17 picks.
 
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