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Blazers Roy said:
Remember how scared i was in January at the prospect of us bringing Batum back?
Well, as soon as i saw Turner to the Blazers i got a hankering for some sexy Nico again.

Damn, it's like we had an ugly ex girlfriend yet we miss her cause the current one is uglier.:klingon:
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Why have you had ugly girlfriends?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
The best scenario for using him is having him surrounded by 2 shooters. (i.e Dame/Cj and Crabbe).
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A big difference between McMillan and Stotts/Oshey is that McMillan had a mixture of good shooters and awful shooters. In contrast, Olshey filled the roster with shooters, simplifying Stotts' job, since everyone gets to shoot. Olshey has avoided depending upon nonshooters like Turner until now. So Stotts must change his system to become more McMillanese.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Did I miss your annual rank the East/West?
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Looks like I got beat the punch this year. When are you and I going to a game together? Dec 26?

jlprk said:
A big difference between McMillan and Stotts/Oshey is that McMillan had a mixture of good shooters and awful shooters. In contrast, Olshey filled the roster with shooters, simplifying Stotts' job, since everyone gets to shoot. Olshey has avoided depending upon nonshooters like Turner until now. So Stotts must change his system to become more McMillanese.
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Andre Miller is Reggie Miller next to Turner.
 
jlprk said:
A big difference between McMillan and Stotts/Oshey is that McMillan had a mixture of good shooters and awful shooters. In contrast, Olshey filled the roster with shooters, simplifying Stotts' job, since everyone gets to shoot. Olshey has avoided depending upon nonshooters like Turner until now. So Stotts must change his system to become more McMillanese.
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God no! Nate was a dinosaur when he was here six years ago. The game had already passed him by. The all ISO all the time offense won't work in today's NBA. Plus, it's boring as hell. Utterly unwatchable. For IND's sake, I hope he's learned at least one more play since he left PDX.

Since when has Olshey filled the roster with shooters? Go back and look at some of the guys he acquired and how well they shot the ball before arriving in PDX.

Aminu - not a shooter
Harkless - not a shooter
Plumlee - not a shooter
Napier - had terrible shooting percentages before arriving in PDX, it's yet to be seen if preseason carries over to the real games
Ed Davis - not a shooter
Festus Ezeli - not a shooter
Pat Connaughton - not a shooter

The guys Olshey acquired, but let go:
Montero - not a shooter
Cliff Alexander - not a shooter
Thomas Robinson - not a shooter

The list goes on...

It seems like the only guys who are shooters, are guys Olshey drafted (Lillard, McCollum, Crabbe and Leonard - who was not known for his shooting at the time of the draft, and possibly Layman), but they are in the minority on this roster. Nate had Roy, Webster, Batum, Matthews, James Jones, Steve Blake, Rudy, etc. Imagine what Terry Stotts could have done with that roster. Bet we would have one at least one playoff series - something Nate never came close to accomplishing in PDX.

BNM
 
You forget Mo Williams, Dorrell Wright, and Steve Blake. Harkless had a good season of three point shooting earlier in his career. And Aminu was coming off a good 3 point shooting playoff series.
 
Nate only coached 3 playoff series and Roy was injured in 2 of them.
 
Read this thread looking for a a comment about HCP's wife.
But there isn't one.
Disappointing.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Is there really much difference between a SF and a SG in our offensive system? They are both wing positions. On defense there is often a difference depending on who you have to cover, but I think you will agree that ET can cover SG's. too So I guess I don't see what the big deal is. They are basically the same position.

My guess is you prefer him in the game with two other ball handlers, thus he is the "SF" in that scenario. But wouldn't that force him into the corner? I can see how that would be better for Crabbe as he is more of a 3 and D guy, but if you do that to ET, you are making things worse.

The best scenario for using him is having him surrounded by 2 shooters. (i.e Dame/Cj and Crabbe) We need his defense, rebounding and ball handling with that group. Regardless of whether or not you call him a SG or SF.
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If we're playing him out of position we lose some of his effectiveness, which could make people think "he's awful", etc, because he's misused.
We're short in real guards behind Dame and CJ (and Napier) and have many forwards so it makes sense trying to make him a SG, because he played there in the past or has the skills to play there or any other excuse, but the truth is we'd be playing him out of position and can't expect the same production.
I say lets not make it easy on ourselves. We have too many forwards and bigs and not enough guards? Trade 1 or 2 of the bigs for a guard, then play everyone in their natural, most effective position. That would be the best way to maximize our potential.
 
I was really excited when we got Gerald Henderson - unfortunately we didn't get the Hornets GH, but some shadow of his former self. (Geralds hip surgery taken into account)

I'm hoping the same is not true of Turner.
His shot looked extremely rushed and he didn't look comfortable.
But, Surely we need to give him at least 10 - 20 games to get acclimated to the system before we pull out the pitchforks. . .
 
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BTW wasn't his mid-range shot quite decent last season? Never been any good from the 3-point range but I think he was scoring consistently from mid.
 
Sarni said:
BTW wasn't his mid-range shot quite decent last season? Never been any good from the 3-point range but I think he was scoring consistently from mid.
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He's a slasher - his mid-range is definitely a strength - and he can pass too.

The alley/lob to Vonleh on the break was a small peak at what is to come once he settles in.
(hopefully a relaxed/higher percentage shot too)

He averaged 4.5 assists with Boston - so he not only is an additional ball-handler - but one who is a willing passer and able to facilitate some scoring.
 
Sinobas said:
That's not the reason a fan should care. It's about how it affects the teams ability to retain or acquire talent in the future now that they've hamstrung themselves.
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And guess what? This contract has no effect whatsoever on how we can acquire talent. With extensions kicking in next offseason our cap space this year was use or or lose it. The only potential way this hurts is luxury tax wise and that can be resolved with a simple trade or PA saying fuck it and paying it.

It was an opportunity for our team to add a supersub. Or bench, for the first time in years, is one of our biggest strengths. Let's give the guy half a season before we crucify him and you guys get your pitchforks out for Olshey again.
 
KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
What do we do? Yes, he can make a pass here or a steal there but his shot is BROKE. I never want to see him shoot again. Could we trade him back to Boston? Who would they give us for him?
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King, did we bring him in to be a shooter though?
Give him time. Dame will take care of him. He does have a good post up and dribble penetration. He just needs to learn better decision making when he hits that breaking point on his drives. New team. Those decisions will become much easier when he is really comfortable and knows his teammates and where they will be.

HailBlazers said:
We be patient. There's enough shooters on the team. Turner is a unique asset, wait and you'll see.
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Exactly. :)
 
Blazer Freak said:
And guess what? This contract has no effect whatsoever on how we can acquire talent. With extensions kicking in next offseason our cap space this year was use or or lose it. The only potential way this hurts is luxury tax wise and that can be resolved with a simple trade or PA saying fuck it and paying it.

It was an opportunity for our team to add a supersub. Or bench, for the first time in years, is one of our biggest strengths. Let's give the guy half a season before we crucify him and you guys get your pitchforks out for Olshey again.
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I'm talking about all the over-paid contracts Olshey made this offseason. Crabbe + Leonard + Turner = 44 million dollars. CJ's extension puts us at the luxery tax threshold. But if you subtract that we'd still have space.

What if the Blazers want to resign Plumlee, Ezeli or Vonleh? You realize how much tax that would be? And it's not so easy as making a "simple trade" if these guys are not worth their contract, who is going to take them? You'd also need to trade them to a team with oodles of cap space or we'd just be taking back about the same amount.
 
Turner will be just fine. He's a pro, we've seen him be a creative playmaker in Boston long enough to let him get comfortable here in Portland. We all just need to chill for awhile. We can all go back to bashing Pat and Myle, Noah's getting a pass with his improvement!

I could see Turner becoming as popular as Crabbe was last year. A couple nice lobs and a few timely mid range shots will quiet the premature complainers.
 
One of the downfalls of last years team (and the previous Stotts coached teams) was a lack of a mid range game.

Thats what Turner is good at. Not everyone has to be a 3 point shooter on the team to have a significant role.
 
At this point, nothing is second nature for Turner...he's overthinking and trying to anticipate where guys are on the floor...which has led to a lot of turnovers...Stotts is trying to make him improve as a shooter by telling him to shoot any good shot...probably forcing shots at this point.
 
Blazer4ever said:
If we're playing him out of position we lose some of his effectiveness, which could make people think "he's awful", etc, because he's misused.
We're short in real guards behind Dame and CJ (and Napier) and have many forwards so it makes sense trying to make him a SG, because he played there in the past or has the skills to play there or any other excuse, but the truth is we'd be playing him out of position and can't expect the same production.
I say lets not make it easy on ourselves. We have too many forwards and bigs and not enough guards? Trade 1 or 2 of the bigs for a guard, then play everyone in their natural, most effective position. That would be the best way to maximize our potential.
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I am still confused because I never saw you answer my question...... what is the difference between the two wing positions in a Terry Stotts offense?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I am still confused because I never saw you answer my question...... what is the difference between the two wing positions in a Terry Stotts offense?
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The same as the difference between CJ and Crabbe or Turner. CJ is a SG (not a PG BTW) and they're both SFs
 
Blazer4ever said:
The same as the difference between CJ and Crabbe or Turner. CJ is a SG (not a PG BTW) and they're both SFs
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So if someone can't score or dribble as well as CJ, theyre not a SG? So is Wesley Matthews not a SG???

There's no difference between SG and SF, except that SFs are usually a little bigger, and SGs are a little quicker. Crabbe and Turner are big and quick enough to okay both.

Why do you think they can't play this "exclusive" SG position?
 
BonesJones said:
So if someone can't score or dribble as well as CJ, theyre not a SG? So is Wesley Matthews not a SG???

There's no difference between SG and SF, except that SFs are usually a little bigger, and SGs are a little quicker. Crabbe and Turner are big and quick enough to okay both.

Why do you think they can't play this "exclusive" SG position?
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Exactly. Wes and Nic in Terry's offense worked well together because they complemented each other. One could spread the floor and the other had some handles. With Dame at PG it worked. But to label one specifically as a SF and the other as a SG was not necessary. You could have easily reversed it.

I think ET and Crabbe can be similar off the bench with CJ. (ore even Napier if needed)
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Exactly. Wes and Nic in Terry's offense worked well together because they complemented each other. One could spread the floor and the other had some handles. With Dame at PG it worked. But to label one specifically as a SF and the other as a SG was not necessary. You could have easily reversed it.

I think ET and Crabbe can be similar off the bench with CJ. (ore even Napier if needed)
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Exactly. It's good to have one ball handling wing and a spot up shooting wing. Nic was the ball handler, Wes was the spot up shooter. Turner is a poor man's Batum and Crabbe is a poor man's Wes.

Theyre not as good as those 2, but they're coming off the bench too..
 
BonesJones said:
Exactly. It's good to have one ball handling wing and a spot up shooting wing. Nic was the ball handler, Wes was the spot up shooter. Turner is a poor man's Batum and Crabbe is a poor man's Wes.

Theyre not as good as those 2, but they're coming off the bench too..
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Our bench is the best it's looked in years and that will be a huge key to our success.
 
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