Politics OMG Carly with huge 100% gain in polls

[riverman]

I did cringe when I hit the post button.

I don't bother with hitting the post button...jaywalking is much quicker

 

[oldfisherman]

Kennedy was a mixed bag; He was a good strong race equality leader. My biggest problem with him was he was the first president to send troops to Vietnam, which was a very bad war for us to be active in.

Kennedy mishandled the CIA lead Bay of Pigs invasion, which probably lead to the Cuban missile crisis.
He took us to within minutes of being in a nuclear war.

I was taught by the Catholic nuns that Kennedy sat at the right hand of God and was a perfect president. They endlessly repeated their teaching brainwashing until I had it memorized, or until I ran out of blood from the ruler beatings they were giving me. (gee, the nuns behavior is starting to remind me of ISIS Muslim radicals).

 

[riverman]

Kennedy was a mixed bag; He was a good strong race equality leader. My biggest problem with him was he was the first president to send troops to Vietnam, which was a very bad war for us to be active in.

Kennedy mishandled the CIA lead Bay of Pigs invasion, which probably lead to the Cuban missile crisis.
He took us to within minutes of being in a nuclear war.

I was taught by the Catholic nuns that Kennedy sat at the right hand of God and was a perfect president. They endlessly repeated their teaching brainwashing until I had it memorized, or until I ran out of blood from the ruler beatings they were giving me. (gee, the nuns behavior is starting to remind me of ISIS Muslim radicals).

Actually Eisenhower sent the first troops to Nam under the guise of advisors...Kennedy was not a great president which is hard to say because he was such a pop star. I think Bobby however would have been a great prez

 

[oldfisherman]

Is this statement accurate? Kennedy sent the first "combat troops" to Vietnam.

 

[MARIS61]

I think she's a beautiful woman and a wonderful person!

You're not the only one.

 

[MarAzul]

My biggest problem with him was he was the first president to send troops to Vietnam

Shoot! I had never heard of Vietnam Until Johnson was President. I knew of it as IndoChina when I was there to retrieve a hostage from some Pirates on the coast there. That was before
Kennedy was elected.

Johnson made Vietnam with his blown up incident in the Gulf of Tonkin where the Maddox and the Joy were attacked by PT boats. What a figgin joke, that would be a turkey shoot for
a Gearing and Sherman class destroyers. We were in the shit hip deep after that though.

 

[MarAzul]

Is this statement accurate? Kennedy sent the first "combat troops" to Vietnam.

I don't thinks so, a few advisors, I think but not combat troop. We had MAG groups (Military Advisory Group) in countries all over the place in that day.

 

[riverman]

I don't thinks so, a few advisors, I think but not combat troop. We had MAG groups (Military Advisory Group) in countries all over the place in that day.

That's my take but I think Eisenhower sent the first americans over before Kennedy..Kennedy inherited the situation if I remember correctly

 

[MarAzul]

That's my take but I think Eisenhower sent the first americans over before Kennedy..Kennedy inherited the situation if I remember correctly

My memory concurs, but it was no big deal. That is why we didn't even know the name had changed from French Indo China to Vietnam. I guess that happen just after Ho add defeated the French. It became North and South Vietnam. Ike probably sent a MAG group to the South soon after the split. Probably right about the time I was there, but I don't think it was related.

 

[riverman]

Timeline of the Vietnam War
1862: Vietnam became part of the French Empire


1890: Ho Chi Minh was born


1930: Ho Chi Minh helped to form the Indo-Chinese Communist Party


1941: Vietminh formed to counter Japanese invasion of Vietnam


1945: Japan handed Vietnam to the Vietminh; Ho Chi Minh declared the

Democratic Republic of Vietnam (September); French troops arrived back in Vietnam


1946: war broke out between the French and the Vietminh


1949: Communist China came into being allowing the Vietminh to train in

China away from French attacks


1950: Truman refused to recognise the Democratic Republic of Vietnam

Communist China + USSR did recognise Ho’s state


1954: The Battle of Dien Bien Phu – Giap defeated the French force based there; a ceasefire was agreed at Geneva that split Vietnam at the 17th Parallel; France withdrew her military from Vietnam; US promises aid worth $100 million to the anti-communist Diem


1955: The pro-American Ngo Dinh Diem became President of South Vietnam in October.America agreed to train Diem’s army.


1956: Diem started to arrest anyone suspected of being in the Vietminh


1957: the Vietminh started a campaign of guerrilla warfare in South Vietnam


1959: American military advisors were killed in Vietnam – the first US

casualties; the Ho Chi Minh Trail was first used


1960: the National Liberation Front (NLF) was formed in Hanoi though in the South, they were known as the Vietcong (VC)


1961: US President Kennedy pledged extra aid to South Vietnam


1962: The number of US military advisors increased from 700 to 12,000


1963: President Diem was killed in a military coup

15,000 US military advisors were in South Vietnam


1964: the Gulf of Tonkin incident; Congress passed the ‘Gulf of Tonkin

Resolution’; America bombs targets in North Vietnam; NLF attacked US air bases


1965: ‘Operation Rolling Thunder’ started; first US combat troops were sent to Vietnam in March; by the end of the year there were 200,000 US troops there; first major conventional clash between USA and NVA at Ia Drang


1966: 400,000 US troops were in Vietnam


1967: 490,000 US troops in Vietnam; Nguyen Van Thieu became President of South Vietnam


1968: Tet Offensive; demonstrations against the war started in America; My Lai massacre; peace talks began in Paris; 540,000 US troops in

Vietnam; anti-Vietnam War riots in Chicago (August)


1969: Nixon ordered the secret bombing of Cambodia; ‘Vietnamization’

started; Nixon announced the start of US troop withdrawals; Ho Chi

Minh died; 480,000 US troops in Vietnam; My Lai massacre made

public in November


1970: Four student demonstrators shot dead at Kent State University;

280,000 US troops in Vietnam; secret peace talks held in Paris; large scale anti-war demonstrations throughout USA


1971: 140,000 US troops in Vietnam; Lt. William Calley convicted of murder at My Lai and jailed


1972: Haiphong harbour mined (May); “Peace is at hand” – Dr Kissinger


1973: ceasefire signed in Paris; last US troops left Vietnam; US POW’s

released


1975: Khmer Rouge took control of Cambodia; NLF captured Saigon


1982: Vietnam Veterans Memorial unveiled in Washington DC

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[riverman]

They say Kennedy increases advisors from 700 there to 12,000 but I'd assume Eisenhower had 700 there before that. 1959 first american advisors killed there

 

[MARIS61]

Is this statement accurate? Kennedy sent the first "combat troops" to Vietnam.

Not under any viewpoint.

Assuming you mean "advisors" it was Eisenhower in 1955. Assuming you mean actual actively engaged combat troops firing on the enemy it was Johnson in 1965.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/vietnam-war/timeline-of-the-vietnam-war/

In truth, France sent the first combat troops there around 1860 and many times after until they were defeated in 1954. We immediately installed an "elected" leader of the new South Vietnam and the war was on.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Timeline of the Vietnam War
1862: Vietnam became part of the French Empire


1890: Ho Chi Minh was born


1930: Ho Chi Minh helped to form the Indo-Chinese Communist Party


1941: Vietminh formed to counter Japanese invasion of Vietnam


1945: Japan handed Vietnam to the Vietminh; Ho Chi Minh declared the

Democratic Republic of Vietnam (September); French troops arrived back in Vietnam


1946: war broke out between the French and the Vietminh


1949: Communist China came into being allowing the Vietminh to train in

China away from French attacks


1950: Truman refused to recognise the Democratic Republic of Vietnam

Communist China + USSR did recognise Ho’s state


1954: The Battle of Dien Bien Phu – Giap defeated the French force based there; a ceasefire was agreed at Geneva that split Vietnam at the 17th Parallel; France withdrew her military from Vietnam; US promises aid worth $100 million to the anti-communist Diem


1955: The pro-American Ngo Dinh Diem became President of South Vietnam in October.America agreed to train Diem’s army.


1956: Diem started to arrest anyone suspected of being in the Vietminh


1957: the Vietminh started a campaign of guerrilla warfare in South Vietnam


1959: American military advisors were killed in Vietnam – the first US

casualties; the Ho Chi Minh Trail was first used


1960: the National Liberation Front (NLF) was formed in Hanoi though in the South, they were known as the Vietcong (VC)


1961: US President Kennedy pledged extra aid to South Vietnam


1962: The number of US military advisors increased from 700 to 12,000


1963: President Diem was killed in a military coup

15,000 US military advisors were in South Vietnam


1964: the Gulf of Tonkin incident; Congress passed the ‘Gulf of Tonkin

Resolution’; America bombs targets in North Vietnam; NLF attacked US air bases


1965: ‘Operation Rolling Thunder’ started; first US combat troops were sent to Vietnam in March; by the end of the year there were 200,000 US troops there; first major conventional clash between USA and NVA at Ia Drang


1966: 400,000 US troops were in Vietnam


1967: 490,000 US troops in Vietnam; Nguyen Van Thieu became President of South Vietnam


1968: Tet Offensive; demonstrations against the war started in America; My Lai massacre; peace talks began in Paris; 540,000 US troops in

Vietnam; anti-Vietnam War riots in Chicago (August)


1969: Nixon ordered the secret bombing of Cambodia; ‘Vietnamization’

started; Nixon announced the start of US troop withdrawals; Ho Chi

Minh died; 480,000 US troops in Vietnam; My Lai massacre made

public in November


1970: Four student demonstrators shot dead at Kent State University;

280,000 US troops in Vietnam; secret peace talks held in Paris; large scale anti-war demonstrations throughout USA


1971: 140,000 US troops in Vietnam; Lt. William Calley convicted of murder at My Lai and jailed


1972: Haiphong harbour mined (May); “Peace is at hand” – Dr Kissinger


1973: ceasefire signed in Paris; last US troops left Vietnam; US POW’s

released


1975: Khmer Rouge took control of Cambodia; NLF captured Saigon


1982: Vietnam Veterans Memorial unveiled in Washington DC

Related Post

Both sides warred hard.

- Rasheed Wallace

 

[oldfisherman]

Number of USA troops in Vietnam by year by president.

Eisenhower
1959….760
1960….900

Kennedy
1961…...3,205
1962….11,300
1963….16,300

Johnson
1964….23,300
1965…184,300
1966…385,300
1967…485,600
1968…536,100
1968…475,200
declines until
1973……….50


Using Putin’s definition of “combat troops”, we sent a lot of our military personal to Vietnam to visit distant relatives.

 

[riverman]

Seems like Carly Fiorina is forgettable after all, hundred percent..pshahhh!

 

[MarAzul]

Number of USA troops in Vietnam by year by president.

Eisenhower
1959….760
1960….900

Kennedy
1961…...3,205
1962….11,300
1963….16,300

Johnson
1964….23,300
1965…184,300
1966…385,300
1967…485,600
1968…536,100
1968…475,200
declines until
1973……….50


Using Putin’s definition of “combat troops”, we sent a lot of our military personal to Vietnam to visit distant relatives.

In 1962, I was back at Langley, getting prepared to go to Cuba. Still had yet to hear of Vietnam. Maybe I wasn't listening, I sure heard the word though when I didn't have to go to Cuba.

 

[oldfisherman]

In 1962, I was back at Langley, getting prepared to go to Cuba. Still had yet to hear of Vietnam. Maybe I wasn't listening, I sure heard the word though when I didn't have to go to Cuba.

Kennedy had everyone so scared over the Cuban situation; many people were digging holes in their backyards to build bomb shelters. All the news at that time was about Cuba and a possible war it might cause with Russia. Not much attention was paid to Kennedy ramping up troops advisers in Vietnam.

 

[MARIS61]

If you want to be honest about it, the same people (the military industrial complex) started the war, sent all of the American troops to die there, and profited beyond belief from the estimated 1,313,000 murders committed there.

Presidents and potential presidents came and went, were assassinated or bought or cowered by threats depending on their cooperation or lack thereof. Johnson, Bush and Bush being the exceptions as they were personally major players/profiteers in the military industrial complex.

It's hard to peg Reagan since he was the most manipulated president in my lifetime. He was clearly failing mentally during his first presidency and a total puppet during his second, but Nancy had more influence than anyone. She was probably our first female president, really. Reagan managed to enrich the mic big time without anyone blaming Ronnie for actually "starting" any huge wars, although the illegal arms deals and illegal military assistance in the middle east created Al Quaida and laid the groundwork for all the wars we've had since. His drug smuggling and drug sales to young Americans created the prison population we now have, and ironically the huge dependence on social welfare for basic subsistence we are struggling to meet.

One President had the incredible balls to actually tell Americans to their face that a coup was in progress, but the masses aren't very astute to say the least.

 

[magnifier661]

 

[riverman]

mags, you need to include Marty Feldman in your collection.

 

[jlprk]

There's a lot of evidence that Kennedy was trying to get out of Vietnam, so he was killed. Saying "I will tear the CIA into a thousand pieces" (disconnected outposts) didn't give him longevity, either.

 

[riverman]

There's a lot of evidence that Kennedy was trying to get out of Vietnam, so he was killed. Saying "I will tear the CIA into a thousand pieces" (disconnected outposts) didn't give him longevity, either.

There was just too much good ole boy money to be made in the arms game to not cash in once they had it in their pocket. We moved a lot of hardware in that war and signed a lot of defense contracts.

 

[magnifier661]

Forbes has trump gaining 3% to 33%, Ben Carson 2nd at 13%, Jeb third at 9%, and Carly 4th at 7%

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2015/09/20/zogby-poll-trump-widens-lead-after-gop-debate/

Real estate mogul Trump has widened his lead to 20 points in a brand new Zogby Analytics poll taken after the second Republican presidential debate. The new poll of 405 likely Republican primary/caucus voters nationwide with a margin of sampling error of +/- 5.0 percentage points, conducted September 18-19, shows Mr. Trump with 33% (up 2 points from his pre-debate 31%). In second place is neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson who actually dropped 3 points to 13%. Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, widely considered to be the big winner in the debate, moved up from just 2% last week to 7% and fourth place in the new poll – just 2 points behind former Florida Governor Jeb Bush’s 9% (which is exactly where he was last week).

Oddly, I was expecting Carly to take some women's votes. That wasn't the case according to this poll.

"Mr. Trump’s lead is across the board, among most major sub-groups – 36% among men, 30% with women, 30% Republicans, 39% independents, 29% moderates, and 31% conservatives.

Dr. Carson’s best showings were among Republicans 14%, and conservatives 16%. Mrs. Fiorina did better among men (9%) than women (5%) and Republicans 8% than independents (5%). Mr. Bush scored 10% with women, 8% with men, 12% moderates, but just 6% among conservatives."

 

[MarAzul]

Jeb Bush’s 9%

I feel it is a win as long as Bush is way back.

 

[magnifier661]

Oh and btw @e_blazer this was just on tonight. Still believe the CNN poll?



Lmao just kidding!!!!

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[barfo]

Well...

If you are going to take stock price as the sole measure, it looks like things got a lot better as soon as they got rid of her.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Well...

If you are going to take stock price as the sole measure, it looks like things got a lot better as soon as they got rid of her.

barfo

It looks like things got better for her whole last three years.

She led Lucent to one of the hugest IPOs ever.

The stock market tanked in clinochio's last year. Half the tech companies disappeared altogether.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is this the next Disney show? OMG Carly? Is that like Hannah Montana?

 

[magnifier661]

well shit, she must have been such an amazing CEO, she should have easily found another executive position. What company did she work for after being forced out of HP @Denny Crane? I'm sure you can name at least one other company from then till now.