On The Fan Isaac Ropp just said

[SlyPokerDog]

So, 100 words now qualifies as a dissertation? Good to know, time to go back to school and get multiple PhDs.

And I love your victim act. That never gets old. Never.

Where did I even say I disagree with Ropp?

I just find the timing of his rant disingenuous and self-serving. It's not like it's some earth shattering revelation. Many others here and elsewhere in the media have been saying the same thing for the past two seasons. So why does Ropp act like this is some big hot newsflash at this particular point in time? We just added a rim protecting big man that has helped improve our team defense. He isn't even fully integrated into the team yet, but they have won 5 of their last 6 games. Nurkic had been a difference maker. Why not give it the rest of the regular season to see how well having a paint clogging big man helps make up for Dame and C.J.'s defensive inadequacies before beating this same old dead horse?

Oh right, Ropp got fired and now has a personal vendetta against the team. Instead of talking about how Jusuf Nurkic is helping the team improve their defense and how he can do even more as he becomes more integrated into the teams offensive and defensive schemes, he trots out this same tired sentiment that's already been discussed ad nauseum.

BNM

Did you actually hear what Ropp said or are you basing this off of BGD's post?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Did you actually hear what Ropp said or are you basing this off of BGD's post?

Basing it off the OP's comments:

That he doesn't believe the Blazers can win with both C.J and Lillard. He said C.J is basically a one trick pony and really only cares about his offense. Also said that Neil's crazy if he doesn't trade CJ for a better defensive two way SG.

Did Ropp not say those things? Are you calling the OP a liar?

BNM

 

[Mediocre Man]

Why do you assume they can't think for themselves? Why do they need Ropp to point out the obvious? You seem to have a very low opinion of your fellow "fans".

Ropp got fired from Talking Ball because he brought absolutely nothing to that program. No insights, no talking points, nothing. He was a complete waste of space.

Then he whined about it and said he was fired because he was critical of the team. Yet, miraculously, Dwight Jaynes, who has made a career out of criticizing the Blazers still has a job on Talking Ball.

And now, because Ropp rehashes the same tired story that's been widely circulating for the past two seasons, he's suddenly your hero. Go figure...

BNM

Because I know several of them.

He's not my hero, but sure, play that card.

This has nothing to do with Ropp and your opinion of him. He's right, better late than never.

You're arguing just to hear yourself...or see yourself, in this case.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You're arguing just to hear yourself...or see yourself, in this case.

If you say so...

BNM

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Basing it off the OP's comments:



Did Ropp not say those things? Are you calling the OP a liar?

BNM

No, not calling BGD a liar. I'm guessing it was part of a conversation between multiple people and there might be some missing context.

 

[Pinwheel1]

"The Spurs will never win a NBA championship with avery johnson as their starting PG"

 

[Boob-No-More]

No, not calling BGD a liar. I'm guessing it was part of a conversation between multiple people and there might be some missing context.

I don't listen to Ropp on a regular basis and haven't since his Draft the Stache days. I did, however, listen to his whining after getting fired from Talkin' Ball. He was just flat out awful on that show and deserved to be fired. Leave it to him to claim it was some conspiracy led by Neil Olshey to get rid of him because of his criticism of the team. If that was all it takes to get fired from that show, why has Dwight Jaynes been a regular on Talkin' Ball for six years?

BNM

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If that was all it takes to get fired from that show, why has Dwight Jaynes been a regular on Talkin' Ball for six years?

For some reason Dwight and Olshey seem to be pretty close. I always see them talking before games. Jaynes seems to be the only member of the press who regularly has Olshey's ear.

 

[Natebishop3]

For some reason Dwight and Olshey seem to be pretty close. I always see them talking before games. Jaynes seems to be the only member of the press who regularly has Olshey's ear.

It's funny because Dwight was such an outcast during the Patterson years.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It's funny because Dwight was such an outcast during the Patterson years.

And he does still criticize the team, and the players. He's toned it down a bit since his Oregonian days, but it's not like he's just towing the company line. I think self-preservation has helped him find a happy medium. There was a time when he was nearly 100% negative. Now he's more like 60/40 or maybe 70/30 pro Blazers. I think that's a good mix. Give the team and organization credit when they do well, but also hold them accountable when they don't.

BNM

 

[gatorpops]

This converstion is little premature as we have not yet seen ET play with Nurkic.
Blszer4ever has a good point in that we need to play another passing ball handleing player at guard at all times.
And I say we need a defensive ball handeling and passing SF as well.
I love Hark but But.......
Another thing we need is for both guards to not expect as many points as before Nurk.
If he gets points they likely wont get as many but the flow and passing will be much better.
Dame was trying in the Suns game but he is just not very efective with guards or forwards that get switched on to him.

 

[Natebishop3]

And he does still criticize the team, and the players. He's toned it down a bit since his Oregonian days, but it's not like he's just towing the company line. I think self-preservation has helped him find a happy medium. There was a time when he was nearly 100% negative. Now he's more like 60/40 or maybe 70/30 pro Blazers. I think that's a good mix. Give the team and organization credit when they do well, but also hold them accountable when they don't.

BNM

I used to get into it with him on AIM back in the late 90s. To his credit, he was never a total dick to me, despite me being a cocky little shit 16 year old.

 

[BigGameDamian]

No, not calling BGD a liar. I'm guessing it was part of a conversation between multiple people and there might be some missing context.

Well that's what he said. I know a lot of people keep getting pissed off about these kinds of threads. After all CJ is a fan favorite. Not many want to see him go even if it really would better the team in the long run.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Oh, and "The Fan," lol...

 

[Pinwheel1]

The goal is to win a championship. There is no other goal. So if trading CJ will accomplish that goal then I think we would all be in. So how about fixing all the other issues first and then we can use CJ to get that final piece?

But to trade CJ now, for a guard who plays better defense and worse offense, only makes us about the same. Some could argue it will make us a little better, but can you really logically argue that it will achieve the big prize? A little closer to the trophy is not good enough.

So again how about we keep CJ until it makes sense to move him? You think getting Butler is going to win us a championship? Who else are we talking about? Who realistically are we going to get who is better than CJ? You would think with all the threads about it we would have a few more options.

IMO it makes more sense to keep both Dame and CJ and find a back up SG who can shut down other guards off the bench. He can always play more minutes (even start) in certain games where we really need him to. But for the most part CJ is holding his own. Find the stud PF and the stud SF and then we can talk about finding a better SG if needed. But right now trading for a shooting guard who can't shoot as well as CJ, does not make us any better with our current roster, which lacks .......shooting.

 

[Natebishop3]

The goal is to win a championship. There is no other goal. So if trading CJ will accomplish that goal then I think we would all be in. So how about fixing all the other issues first and then we can use CJ to get that final piece?

But to trade CJ now, for a guard who plays better defense and worse offense, only makes us about the same. Some could argue it will make us a little better, but can you really logically argue that it will achieve the big prize? A little closer to the trophy is not good enough.

So again how about we keep CJ until it makes sense to move him? You think getting Butler is going to win us a championship? Who else are we talking about? Who realistically are we going to get who is better than CJ? You would think with all the threads about it we would have a few more options.

IMO it makes more sense to keep both Dame and CJ and find a back up SG who can shut down other guards off the bench. He can always play more minutes (even start) in certain games where we really need him to. But for the most part CJ is holding his own. Find the stud PF and the stud SF and then we can talk about finding a better SG if needed. But right now trading for a shooting guard who can't shoot as well as CJ, does not make us any better with our current roster, which lacks .......shooting.

Jimmy Butler?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Jimmy Butler?

Yes a 3 guard lineup with Dame, CJ, and Butler would be nice.

 

[H.C.]

Yes a 3 guard lineup with Dame, CJ, and Butler would be nice.

I'm not sure if it puts Portland in legit contender status with Lillard/CJ/Butler/player/Nurk
But certainly it puts them at dark horse contender status.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yes a 3 guard lineup with Dame, CJ, and Butler would be nice.

Not sure how we could get Butler without giving up one of Dame or C.J., but if we did, we'd start all three with Butler at SF.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes a 3 guard lineup with Dame, CJ, and Butler would be nice.

You could trade CJ for Butler and start Butler at SF. This opens up a starting spot for either Crabbe or Turner.

Dame
Crabbe
Butler
Vonleh
Nurkic

Butler, Crabbe, and Turner all have the capability of playing either SG or SF. So you can rotate guys around, with Turner logging some minutes as the ball handler.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Not sure how we could get Butler without giving up one of Dame or C.J., but if we did, we'd start all the with Butler at SF.

BNM

Yes start all three, and then slide Butler over. But someone like that should be the goal. Not making arguably a lateral move that fills onr need but creates another.

 

[BlazerWookee]

You know who would be really good next to Dame and CJ? Nic and Wes.

 

[Pinwheel1]

You could trade CJ for Butler and start Butler at SF. This opens up a starting spot for either Crabbe or Turner.

Dame
Crabbe
Butler
Vonleh
Nurkic

Butler, Crabbe, and Turner all have the capability of playing either SG or SF. So you can rotate guys around, with Turner logging some minutes as the ball handler.

That is OK but not good enough. ET and Butler together is not enough excellent outside shooting.
Dame is not on every night, we need CJ for those nights he is off, or inevitably....injured.

 

[Natebishop3]

That is OK but not good enough. ET and Butler together is not enough excellent outside shooting.
Dame is not on every night, we need CJ for those nights he is off, or inevitably....injured.

Butler is averaging 23 ppg, 5 assists, 6 rebounds, and 2 steals. You don't think he could carry the load on offense if Dame is off?

 

[Reep]

Jimmy Butler?

Would seem like the logical candidate at this time. CJ + Picks?

But I would go:
Dame
Butler
Harkless
Vonleh
Nurkic

Bench: Turner, Crabbe, Aminu, Biebs, etc.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Butler is averaging 23 ppg, 5 assists, 6 rebounds, and 2 steals. You don't think he could carry the load on offense if Dame is off?

No I think on a championship team he is the 3rd option. It's not like the Bulls are a 500 ball club either. Replacing one for the other is not good enough.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You know who would be really good next to Dame and CJ? Nic and Wes.

Too bad we cant afford them. Nic signed with CHO for $120 million over 5 years and Wes signed with DAL for $70 million over 4 years. Next season, those four will be making over $90 million combined and we still wouldn't have a decent PF.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

No I think on a championship team he is the 3rd option. It's not like the Bulls are a 500 ball club either. Replacing one for the other is not good enough.

They're completely different though. The current problem is that Dame and CJ replicate too many of the same deficiencies. Butler might not be the shooter that CJ is, but he's a superior defender, he's a capable scorer, and he's a much bigger guy. We have other ball handlers, so why can't he be a #2 option? Dame #1, Butler #2, Nurkic #3. I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[Reep]

We really should do a deal for Butler and Mirotic. Mirotic is a bit of a wild card, but he could be very good on this team. Not sure how much of Chicago's culture we want to add at one time though.

 

[Boob-No-More]

We really should do a deal for Butler and Mirotic. Mirotic is a bit of a wild card, but he could be very good on this team. Not sure how much of Chicago's culture we want to add at one time though.

As long as we're not getting their owner and their GM, I think we'd be OK.

BNM