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Does that mean we have to PAY HIM the money or does that just mean the money comes off our books and he doesn't get any of it? That would suck if he actually got the money!!!
 
His salary will likely be put back on our books. Shortly thereafter, we will file an appeal to the League Office to have it taken back off. We will likely also begin suing a lot of people.

This isn't over. We're being messed with and from my own tangential sources, folks at One Center Court are none too pleased.
 
This is just going to get uglier and uglier for the franchise. Hopefully the NBA steps in before it gets too ugly for Portland.
 
But does Miles HIMSELF get that money? Or does he not get to see a penny of it and it just goes on our books?
 
BatumKaboom said:
Does that mean we have to PAY HIM the money or does that just mean the money comes off our books and he doesn't get any of it? That would suck if he actually got the money!!!
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He gets his money from the contract he signed with us regardless if he plays the 10th game or not. Contracts in the NBA are gauranteed. Insurance is covering most of it (80% I think).
 
BeerBoy said:
He gets his money from the contract he signed with us regardless if he plays the 10th game or not. Contracts in the NBA are gauranteed. Insurance is covering most of it (80% I think).
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I see. Thanks man!
 
Mediocre Man said:
This is just going to get uglier and uglier for the franchise. Hopefully the NBA steps in before it gets too ugly for Portland.
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Just HOW is this so ugly? The Blazers are merely trying to maintain their position as a key player in the 2009 FA sweepstakes. I don't feel uncomfortable with anything the Blazers have done to this point.
 
BatumKaboom said:
Does that mean we have to PAY HIM the money or does that just mean the money comes off our books and he doesn't get any of it? That would suck if he actually got the money!!!
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He was ALWAYS going to get the money. He's getting paid by the Blazers RIGHT NOW. The only difference is whether or not his salary gets counted against the cap. When he hits ten games he becomes like a player a team just waived to get rid of, taking the cap hit.

What I wonder is whether or not the Blazers could legitimately say "hey, if that Doctor hadn't declared him unfit, we wouldn't have waived him. So, if you the league are now saying that the doctor was wrong, then we take back our waiving, which was entirely conditional on that decision, and Miles is our player again."

Why would they do that? Clearly not because they want him back. It would be one of two reasons:
(a) to punish him (which would not be right), or
(b) so that they can trade him (bundle him with Raef, for example), and get his salary off the books that way

I don't see anything wrong with (b), and it seems to me that the Blazers should fight for that right.
 
Good article by Kelly Dwyer, with a bad suggestion built in:

And, really, I'm hoping there's more to Memphis' machinations beyond just slightly making every other team happier, and grabbing a few hundred thousand of their own. They can't possibly want Miles, not with his current game, and certainly not with the absolute best of his skill set already prominently featured on the Grizzlies in the form of Rudy Gay and Hakim Warrick. You'd like to think that they could use Miles to do something to, you know, actually better their team.

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Memphis is under the cap. Well under it. Portland could send, say, Travis Outlaw and Ike Diogu to the Grizzles for conditional second round draft picks, and it would be cap legal. And though Outlaw is a few days removed from dropping 33 points, and a fine player, wouldn't he be worth sacrificing in order to take on huge gobs of cap space? If I were Kevin Pritchard, and that was the price to pay, I wouldn't waste a second in making that happen.

And we should come correct in talking about the Trail Blazers.

Should they have signed Miles in the first place? Were they pushing it by calling Darius unfit to play after he underwent a surgery that, while potentially devastating, has been successfully rehabilitated from time and time again? Were the drug leak and last week's emails pretty skeevy? Have they won many friends around the league with the way they've handled the Miles case?

No, yes, totally, teams hate them.

And their fans? This team's fans should love them.

The Trail Blazer brass is going way, way, way out of its way to better this team. They don't care how it looks, and they don't care how much money they have to spend, they want to develop a champion. And in a league full of cut corners and executives just looking to hang onto their jobs, this is refreshing, and (dare I say) admirable. This team wants to win.

And unless Memphis works this Miles situation to its advantage in basketball terms, you can't say that about the Grizzlies. They're the ones that will sell out for a few hundred thousand. They're the ones that are thinking about the bottom line 20 times before thinking about what happens on the court. And I don't want to hear any nonsense coming out of Tennessee about just how highly they regard Miles as a potential contributor, and how he's worth a look. Don't even start.

So hem and haw at the underhanded way Portland tried to work Darius' injury to their advantage. They saw an opportunity to make their team better, way better, and went for it. This is the sort of thing that Red Auerbach was all over for the first 30 years of this league, and people wrote books about him.

Could Pritchard have handled it better? Of course. But, for his team and the fan base that supports it, he took a chance. That's not something to get angry over.
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I wonder if the insurance issue comes into play? Does insurance still pay 80% or can they make a claim that the Blazers duped them with a medical report that Daruis can't play and now that he can they aren't paying his salary under the insurance policy. :dunno:

In any event, I think once Darius plays his 10th game, this whole thing will be put to rest. Blazers will make the smart business decision and let this thing go.

How they let it go (if they do) will be interesting. Announcement they aren't taking action or just take no action and leave it at that?
 
No doubt the lawyers will get a ton of $ to untangle this.

My understanding is that not only will Miles count against the cap, they will also pay the luxury tax on his money, true?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Good article by Kelly Dwyer, with a bad suggestion built in:
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Nice. I agree (except for trading Outlaw for a second-round pick). Memphis did the dirty work for every other NBA team, and sold out just for a few hundred thousand because their franchise sucks and no one cares about them.

They're last in attendance, and I highly doubt Miles will be with them next season. Why would they think he'd be a key contributor when they've got guys like Gay, Mayo and Warrick to develop? The Grizz are a joke.
 
Mediocre Man said:
This is just going to get uglier and uglier for the franchise. Hopefully the NBA steps in before it gets too ugly for Portland.
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The NBA did step in and denied the Blazers' claim of a waived player. A player that was not the property of any team, and a player who was waived by one of the worst franchises in the league the day before. :dunno:
 
Once Miles plays his 10th game...

Miles' salary is paid to Darius 100% by Paul Allen. Miles would have only gotten paid 80% of $26.5 million by insurance if he didn't get play in 10 NBA games. This move will save money for many people, but will cost Paul Allen a lot of money.
 
it's_GO_time said:
I wonder if the insurance issue comes into play? Does insurance still pay 80% or can they make a claim that the Blazers duped them with a medical report that Daruis can't play and now that he can they aren't paying his salary under the insurance policy. :dunno:

In any event, I think once Darius plays his 10th game, this whole thing will be put to rest. Blazers will make the smart business decision and let this thing go.

How they let it go (if they do) will be interesting. Announcement they aren't taking action or just take no action and leave it at that?
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For the 100th time (not 100th time for you), the Blazers didn't make the call. The NBA and the players' union agreed to an independent doctor who made that call, and Darius signed the paperwork validating that call. This is actually covered specifically in the CBA, unlike the NBA's denial of the Blazers claiming Miles off of waivers.
 
PapaG said:
For the 100th time, the Blazers didn't make the call. The NBA and the players' union agreed to an independent doctor who made that call, and Darius signed the paperwork validating that call. This is actually covered specifically in the CBA, unlike the NBA's denial of the Blazers claiming Miles off of waivers.
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And for the 100th time, Blazes initiated the process.

But you are the one lost on the issue . . . I raised the insurnance issue, which comes down to the policy between the franchise and the insurance carrier. So it is the policy that controls that issue and I'm guessing you have no idea wht is int he policy (like I don't).

If Raef plays this year, insurance doesn't cover his contract. So my thought was I wonder if the insurance company can now say Miles played this year, we aren't covering his contract. Again, I don't know because I don't know what the policy says . . . but it is not a CBA issue or player's union issue.
 
it's_GO_time said:
And for the 100th time, Blazes initiated the process.

But you are the one lost on the issue . . . I raised the insurnance issue, which comes down to the policy between the franchise and the insurance carrier. So it is the policy that controls that issue and I'm guessing you have no idea wht is int he policy (like I don't).

If Raef plays this year, insurance doesn't cover his contract. So my thought was I wonder if the insurance company can now say Miles played this year, we aren't covering his contract. Again, I don't know because I don't know what the policy says . . . but it is not a CBA issue or player's union issue.
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The insurance company clearly agreed to pay as to the terms of the CBA and by all reports is doing so at this point. If Miles plays 10 games, I imagine the team pays 100% regardless of any legal action the Blazers take against the NBA. Seems pretty obvious to me. Where does a lawsuit come into it? The insurance claim likely has nothing to do with any legal manuevering the team. I don't understand how you can say the team filed a false claim when the insurance carrier is already conducting business as to the terms of that claim as spelled out in the CBA.
 
maxiep said:
His salary will likely be put back on our books. Shortly thereafter, we will file an appeal to the League Office to have it taken back off. We will likely also begin suing a lot of people.

This isn't over. We're being messed with and from my own tangential sources, folks at One Center Court are none too pleased.
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Seems like Lebron is completely clueless about this as well:

''The way they came out and handled that situation was completely wrong,'' James said. ''There was definitely a way they could handle it better. D-Miles is a good guy.

''You have to pull for somebody like that after a situation like that. He gets some more games and he's going to get what he deserves.''
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Link

:rolleyes:
 
The idea of a trade with Memphis to have them agree not to play Darius in one more game isn't a bad one, except for the fact that the Grizzlies don't have Darius wrapped up for the rest of the season. If they don't play him, what's to keep him from signing a 10-day contract with another team once this one with the Grizzlies is finished?
 
maxiep said:
his salary will likely be put back on our books. Shortly thereafter, we will file an appeal to the league office to have it taken back off. We will likely also begin suing a lot of people.

This isn't over. We're being messed with and from my own tangential sources, folks at one center court are none too pleased.
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hahahahahahahahah
 
Mediocre Man said:
This is just going to get uglier and uglier for the franchise. Hopefully the NBA steps in before it gets too ugly for Portland.
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It's not ugly at all. These messages are sent all the time through the league. Only people who don't bother to read carefully or do research think the Blazers look at all bad in this situation.
 
axs88 said:
Seems like Lebron is completely clueless about this as well:
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Kind of ironic: remember how we got Miles in the first place? Cleveland was desperate to unload him because they thought he was already being a bad influence on their star young player.
 
alex42083 said:
Nice. I agree (except for trading Outlaw for a second-round pick). Memphis did the dirty work for every other NBA team, and sold out just for a few hundred thousand because their franchise sucks and no one cares about them.

They're last in attendance, and I highly doubt Miles will be with them next season. Why would they think he'd be a key contributor when they've got guys like Gay, Mayo and Warrick to develop? The Grizz are a joke.
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Miles won't be with them once he plays his 10th game.
 
igotask8board said:
Once Miles plays his 10th game...

Miles' salary is paid to Darius 100% by Paul Allen. Miles would have only gotten paid 80% of $26.5 million by insurance if he didn't get play in 10 NBA games. This move will save money for many people, but will cost Paul Allen a lot of money.
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That's not true.
 
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