One and Done...Done?

[riverman]

You're conflating the economic system of socialism with the regulatory system of a dictatorship. Two completely different things.

No...I'm saying you give up many democratic freedoms when you join the military and it's very similar to a socialistic organization....one might say Mao was both a socialist and a dictator....what does refusing to throw pollutants in the ocean on a garbage detail have to do with economics? What does getting court martialed for refusing a direct order have to do with economics? I think perhaps you are not understanding the point I was trying to make. I know the difference between political systems and military doctrine....socialistic organizations have chains of command and levels of power. Farming out manufacturing was in response to the military contracts we have with subcontractors.....I'm talking more about the culture of military life and the lack of certain freedoms when you sign up.

 

[HailBlazers]

One and Down down the rabbit hole

 

[oldfisherman]

No...I'm saying you give up many democratic freedoms when you join the military and it's very similar to a socialistic organization....one might say Mao was both a socialist and a dictator....what does refusing to throw pollutants in the ocean on a garbage detail have to do with economics? What does getting court martialed for refusing a direct order have to do with economics? I think perhaps you are not understanding the point I was trying to make. I know the difference between political systems and military doctrine....socialistic organizations have chains of command and levels of power. Farming out manufacturing was in response to the military contracts we have with subcontractors.....I'm talking more about the culture of military life and the lack of certain freedoms when you sign up.

I was going to let this topic go away after your first post. But since you brought it up again, here goes.

If you work for a corporation, and refuse to do something your boss tells you, you can be fired. Using your analogy, corporations are now socialism.

When you were in the Navy, dumping garbage in the ocean was the accepted practice. The last ocean barge full of New York City trash was emptied in the ocean in 1992.

Hitler did farm out some of the manufacturing to other countries, due to a shortage of workers. But he also conned thousands of French women to Germany to work in his factories. The woman were treated like slaves. Most never made it back to their homes in France after the war.

Plus, you really made socialism sound horrible. Loss of freedom of speech will never fly in this country.

Sorry dude, but you asked for it, twice.

 

[riverman]

Sorry dude, but you asked for it.

not at all...I take no offense to it...the private sector and job responsibilities are not the point I was making...corporations don't have corporate jails as far as I know...…different topics..you could do your job perfectly in the military and tell someone of a higher paygrade they're wrong and get confined to base….that's not what happens in the world of free enterprise….I got out of the Navy in 1973 so I can't speak for the post 1992 stuff....I did however see garbage barges dumping in the 1980s in Cambodia.....I was told they paid poor people there to look the other way

 

[oldfisherman]

not at all...I take no offense to it...the private sector and job responsibilities are not the point I was making...corporations don't have corporate jails as far as I know...…different topics..you could do your job perfectly in the military and tell someone of a higher paygrade they're wrong and get confined to base….that's not what happens in the world of free enterprise….

I would rather be confined to base than be fired. Both are punishments.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No...I'm saying you give up many democratic freedoms when you join the military and it's very similar to a socialistic organization....one might say Mao was both a socialist and a dictator....what does refusing to throw pollutants in the ocean on a garbage detail have to do with economics? What does getting court martialed for refusing a direct order have to do with economics? I think perhaps you are not understanding the point I was trying to make. I know the difference between political systems and military doctrine....socialistic organizations have chains of command and levels of power. Farming out manufacturing was in response to the military contracts we have with subcontractors.....I'm talking more about the culture of military life and the lack of certain freedoms when you sign up.

Yeah...that's exactly my point. The lack of freedom you're describing has nothing to do with socialism. Yes, you often see one with the other, but they're not one and the same.

 

[riverman]

The lack of freedom you're describing has nothing to do with socialism.

I think you're referring to social democracy.....not a govt like the USSR....united soviet socialist republic...where speaking your mind got you a Siberian prison sentence or death...maybe both. Or Mao's red guard...

 

[riverman]

I would rather be confined to base than be fired. Both are punishments.

That would depend upon what job fired me....I'd rather not work somewhere where I would be fired for no good reason. I can tell a CEO to fuck off but that doesn't fly in the military.

 

[riverman]

Apologies for straying from the one and done subject of the thread.....

 

[jlprk]

Who said anything about me being a republican?

Not me. I just said you spouted the Republican line.

You're conflating the economic system of socialism with the regulatory system of a dictatorship. Two completely different things.

Exactly. Riverman, you've been indoctrinated in a political definition of socialism and need to learn the economic definition.

(Hint: Socialists say it's about how much power rich Trumps should have. Rich conservatives say it's about how much power government should have. Between the government meritocracy and the gilded rich born into power...whenever one decreases in power, the other gains power.)