One thing about AV's system

[chuckd3534]

I would be okay with Boyle for 1 or 2 years on the 4th line (much rather go only 1 year). He has a role on the 4th line. He is a nice 4th line player. I MUCH rather deal him this season OR not re-sign him and go in a different, more upside, more size or speed, younger direction on the 4th line. But if we re-signed him for 1 or worst case 2 more seasons at 1.8 or so per, I wouldn't go crazy.

This 4 year deal talk is crazy to me. Just my opinion though.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Dump...4 years at 2m for Boyle? Never thought I'd hear that out of you. I like Boyle, especially now that AV is actually using him the way he's supposed to be used, but 4 yrs might be a bit much for him.

I have said for 2 years now to trade him and I haven't changed my mind. That being said, if they are going to keep him it makes sense to do 4 y, 2 million for the reason I said. If they trade him next year at the deadline, basically a team will view him as a top PK, faceoff guy for 3 y, 2 million a year. That is what teams would like if they wanted to give up a second round pick for him and possibly a prospect.

 

[jamsim67]

We actually agree more than you think Jams. I agree with the target of Gabby's back, which makes it even more remarkable that he was able to hit 40 goals TWICE under those circumstances. I was strictly talking about the make-up of last year's roster, where we had both Nash and Gaborik. The previous years, especially 2011-12, this team was a grind it out team and Torts was a good coach for them. The the team got more skilled. Entering last year we brought in Nash, Kreider here, bigger role for Hagelin, yet Torts still wanted them to play like Prust and Fedotenko. He wouldnt adjust. He made the Gabby situation worse by forcing him to the left. Who knows how Gaborik would have looked had he been kept on the right where he had so much success. In my opinion last year's team was more skilled than youre giving it credit for. Good debate.

I know we do Prod. My point is that even if you or I felt like they were more skilled, Tort's wasn't playing them llike that because he didn't feel like they were that type of team. At least I hope that's the reason, because for a coach to deliberately play a skilled team like a bunch of grinders was a total waste of a season. Also, watching the Rangers trying to hang onto a 1 goal lead, as Hank continued to bale them out, was not my idea of good hockey.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

I guarantee that Boyle is going to get a 4 year deal from a team as a UFA. Easy. He's exactly the kind of player teams without a ton of high priced talent are going to want to sign for their 4th line. I think the Oilers give him more than 4 years, 2 million. Maybe 4 years, 2.5 million. They have nobody on that team that plays defense. I see Toronto giving him that kind of deal. I see Montreal giving him that kind of deal. Same with Columbus, Vancouver and Winnipeg. Boyle is actually a guy that draws praise from other fan bases on almost every chat board. I think it's because they see a guy who is a lot better than their 4 line players.

 

[Disturbed]

You can't give 4th line players (even very good ones) $2.5m in a cap era. See Brandon Prust

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Montreal starting winning a lot more when Prust joined the team. So I don't think they would agree with that.

 

[jamsim67]

In the right system, Boyle could be a 15 or 20 goal scorer. I know if he played in Pittsburgh, he'd hit them.

 

[Ranger71]

So this system is holding him to a 2g 16pt pace?

 

[jamsim67]

So this system is holding him to a 2g 16pt pace?

When I say the right system, I mean teams that have more than one or two players who actually have some offense in their game. If he's playing in Pittsburgh, he's going to score more goals just because he won't be on anybody's radar.

 

[Ranger71]

When I say the right system, I mean teams that have more than one or two players who actually some offense in their game. If he's playing in Pittsburgh, he's going to score more goals just because he won't be on anybody's radar.

That's a fair point.

 

[jamsim67]

That's a fair point.

Your original response was funny though ... I admit it, I laughed

 

[dumpstralmannow]

I wanted to dump Boyle for years now. However, if dumbass Sather wants to keep him, then lock him up to 4 years. That way if they want to dump him at the deadline next years it is like another team signing him to a 3 y, 6 million deal. Let's face it. If this team snuck into the playoffs again, Boyle played well for a third straight year in the playoffs, his value is going to rocket up. The only reason I'd sign him to a 4 year deal if they decided to keep him is because if he has another good playoffs if the team makes it there, Boyle will only be more valuable to another team that can control him for a long period of time.

Bottom line, I'd still dumb the tool.