One thing I have never understood about Paul's money

[riverman]

I copied excerpts from 2012 articles about Phil Jackson willing to be Blazer President/Asst. Coach.
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Phil Jackson went through another hip surgery or knee surgery, a replacement, he had a number of them. He had to sit in a special chair the last few years.

he wanted a year off from coaching, maybe never coach. But it did interest him to be the president of the Blazers.

In the spring, Jackson’s agent spoke several times with Blazers president Larry Miller, who wanted Jackson to coach the Blazers.

Jackson wanted to replace Larry Miller as president of the Blazers. would have hired Brian Shaw as head coach and worked as an assistant on Shaw’s staff.

Jackson had discussions with Portland about the head coaching job "for the last few months" before Jackson turned the team down.
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GM job: David Morway, the general manager of the Indiana Pacers, is the favored candidate of Blazers president Larry Miller. Bert Kolde is pushing for Los Angeles Clippers general manager Neil Olshey.

Olshey is a client of agent Warren LeGarie. LeGarie represented former Blazers GMs John Nash and Kevin Pritchard as well as ex-assistant general manager Tom Penn. You'd think Allen wouldn't want to eat at that restaurant again.

former New Orleans general manager Jeff Bower. Philadelphia 76ers senior vice president Tony DiLeo.
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Jackson was supposed to meet with Paul Allen. Once Olshey came in, that never happened. he was frozen out. Olshey and his agent, Warren LeGarie, worked to "freeze out" Jackson. Olshey didn't want the power to shift, obviously, because that's what would happen.

Former Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan turned down the Blazers on Thursday. The Trail Blazers were in "back-and-forth discussions" with NBA coaching legend Phil Jackson.

Portland did offer Jackson the coaching job. He was willing to serve as an assistant under Shaw, his former assistant in L.A.

Jackson withdrawing from the Orlando Magic executive search, citing "another opportunity."

Miller resigned on July 6, and Allen said he would open a national search.
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so they offer him the coaching job. That's not really what he wanted. he would have come as an assistant for Brian Shaw at home games.

"Phil would be interested in talking about a possible role in the organization, a tremendous advisor to the owner.''
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An uninformative thread.
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/bl...g-job-to-jerry-sloan-and-phil-jackson.217582/

We dodged a bullet...see his last job with the Knicks..

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

One thing I never understood about Paul's money is that fans think they have a right to tell him how to spend his money.

 

[Cippy91]

One thing I never understood about Paul's money is that fans think they have a right to tell him how to spend his money.

Well you’re talking about Portland here. The Bernie Sanders loving people angry at Paul Allen because he’s worth 20 billion doing what he wants with his money. So you know, naturally that’s a problem

 

[jlprk]

Well you’re talking about Portland here. The Bernie Sanders loving people angry at Paul Allen because he’s worth 20 billion doing what he wants with his money. So you know, naturally that’s a problem

Some people are chimps. Not you, of course.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It’s not about going into the luxury. The point is to at least have assets. Turner and Meyers aren’t assets. They can’t be moved for jack shit. At least moe can get you a little something. Meyers showed a little bit of promise when cj and him finally got minutes when we were getting bounced by Memphis and LA was all but gone. Then he was ass again the following year. Neil still signed him. He wasn’t worth anything before the contract and is worth less after. Could of given turner a significant amount less. Why do you think Boston didn’t take him back? They weren’t matching that bullshit offer.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I already addressed most of what you said again. Not gonna repeat myself.

You have yet to show me of the list I put together, who we could have signed that would have made us better.

The thought was they would become assets. They haven't yet, but they will soon when they are expiring, so one way or another they are assets. Sorry his timeline didn't fit in with your impatient one....

So lets say we gave Turner 10 mill. Then when we go to trade him we can only take a 10 mill contract back. at 18 mill we can get more back.

 

[blue9]

So lets say we gave Turner 10 mill. Then when we go to trade him we can only take a 10 mill contract back. at 18 mill we can get more back.

LOL! Well clearly would should have paid him $35M then!

 

[hoopsjock]

Hmm, your right he wasn’t gonna get any stars here at the deadline but there were players to be had that coulda pushed us to the 4/5 seed and gave us a more than decent chance at the second round and maybe more. I think not trading for Mirotic was a mistake, we give up what? The 18th pick? Maybe even a pick in the 20s for a 25 year old 20/10 guy who can stroke the 3? There was your 3rd scorer Neil, I don’t think he even thought about trading for him, which is hilarious considering we made a trade with the Bulls. Don’t say we didn’t trade him because we have Collins, there is ZERO guarantee Collins turns into anything, he’s straight potential and if Neil isn’t making the team better with proven players because he THINKS his draft picks will all fulfill their potential then he needs to go back to the car dealership.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! You make me laugh! Mirotic is having a career year and is averaging 16.6 points and 6.9 rebounds. How is that missing out on a 20/10 guy? How do you know that Olshey didn't try to get him? With Cousins going down their draft pick is likely to be better and they took on a contract that wasn't quite as bad as the ones we likely offered.

Sure, he would have fit with the TPE but it was pretty clear that avoiding the luxury tax was the priority. Going deep into the tax AND giving up a 1st round pick for a guy who could maybe get us one seed higher isn't exactly a home run trade.

 

[Cippy91]

Hindsight is 20/20.

I already addressed most of what you said again. Not gonna repeat myself.

You have yet to show me of the list I put together, who we could have signed that would have made us better.

The thought was they would become assets. They haven't yet, but they will soon when they are expiring, so one way or another they are assets. Sorry his timeline didn't fit in with your impatient one....

So lets say we gave Turner 10 mill. Then when we go to trade him we can only take a 10 mill contract back. at 18 mill we can get more back.

Here’s your whole list of that offseasons signings


BRADLEY BEAL: 5 years, $128 million with Wizards
TIMOFEY MOZGOV: 4 years, $64 million with Lakers
DEMAR DEROZAN: 5 years, $145 million with Raptors
ANDRE DRUMMOND: 5 years, $130 million with Pistons
NICOLAS BATUM: 5 years, $120 million with Hornets
JORDAN CLARKSON: 4 years, $50 million with Lakers
HASSAN WHITESIDE: 4-years, $98 million with Heat
ISH SMITH: 3-year contract with Pistons
D.J. AUGUSTIN: 4-years, $29 million with Magic
JEREMY LIN: 3 years, $36 million with Nets
AL JEFFERSON: 3 years, $30 million with Pacers
JERRYD BAYLESS: 3 years, $27 million with 76ers
MIRZA TELETOVIC: 3 years, $30 million with Bucks
CHANDLER PARSONS: 4 years, $94 million with Grizzlies
EVAN TURNER: 4 years, $70 million with Blazers
EVAN FOURNIER: 5 years, $85 million with Magic
MATTHEW DELLAVEDOVA: 4 years, $38 million with Bucks (Cavs can match)
SOLOMON HILL: 4 years, $48 million with Pelicans
JEFF GREEN: 1 year, $15 million with Magic
DARRELL ARTHUR: 3 years, $23 million with Nuggets
DWIGHT HOWARD: 3 years, $70 million with Hawks
MIKE CONLEY: 5 years, $153 million with Grizzlies
JUSTIN HAMILTON: 2 years, $6 million with Nets
JARED DUDLEY: 3 years, $30 million with Suns
E'TWAUN MOORE: 4 years, $34 million with Pelicans
JOAKIM NOAH: 4 years, $72 million with Knicks
KENT BAZEMORE: 4 years, $70 million with Hawks
JOE JOHNSON: 2 years, $22 million with Jazz
LUOL DENG: 4 years, $72 million with Lakers
JON LEUER: 4 years, $42 million with Pistons
ARRON AFFLALO: 2 years, $25 million with Kings
BISMACK BIYOMBO: 4 years, $72 million with Magic
TREVOR BOOKER: 2 years, $18.5 million with Nets
RYAN ANDERSON: 4 years, $80 million with Rockets
MARVIN WILLIAMS: 4 years, $54.5 million with Hornets
ANTHONY TOLLIVER: 2 years, $16 million with Kings
AL HORFORD: 4 years, $113 million with the Celtics
COURTNEY LEE: 4 years, $50 million with the Knicks
IAN MAHINMI: 4 years, $64 million with the Wizards
AUSTIN RIVERS: 3 years, $35 million with the Clippers
ERIC GORDON: 4 years, $53 million with the Rockets
WESLEY JOHNSON: 3 years, $18 million with the Clippers
JAMES ENNIS: 2 years, $6 million with Grizzlies
ANDREW NICHOLSON: 4 years, $26 million with Wizards
TYLER JOHNSON: 4 years, $50 million with Nets, Heat match
COLE ALDRICH: 3 years, $22 million with Timberwolves
GARRETT TEMPLE: 3 years, $24 million with Kings
TOMAS SATORANSKY: 3 years, $9 million with Wizards
JAMAL CRAWFORD: 3 years, $42 million with Clippers
RAJON RONDO: 2 years, $28 million with Bulls
MALCOLM DELANEY: 2 years with Hawks
MATT BARNES: 2 years, $12 million with Kings
DWIGHT POWELL: 4 years, $37 million with Mavericks
DERON WILLIAMS: 1 year, $10 million with Mavericks
TARIK BLACK: 2 years, $12.5 million with Lakers
RAMON SESSIONS: 2 years, $12.5 million with Hornets
SHAUN LIVINGSTON: 1 year, $5.8 million option picked up by Warriors
SERGIO RODRIGUEZ: 1 year, $8 million with 76ers
HARRISON BARNES: 4 years, $94 million with Mavericks
PAU GASOL: 2 years, $30+ million with Spurs
BRANDON JENNINGS: 1 year, $5 million with Knicks
LUC RICHARD MBAH A MOUTE: 2 years, $4.5 million with Clippers
ZAZA PACHULIA: 1 year, $2.9 million with Warriors
ROY HIBBERT: 1 year, $5 million with Hornets
LANCE THOMAS: 4 years, $27 million with Knicks
SETH CURRY: 2 years, $6 million with Mavericks
DIRK NOWITZKI: 2 years, $50 million with Mavericks
GERALD HENDERSON: 2 years, $18 million with 76ers
DAVID WEST: 1 year, $1.55 million vs. Warriors
MINDAUGAS KUZMINSKAS: 2 years, $6 million with Knicks
WILLY HERNANGOMEZ: TBD with Knicks
JASON SMITH: 3 years, $16 million with Wizards
NENE: 1 year, $2.9 million with Rockets
BRANDON RUSH: 1 year, $3.5 million with Timberwolves
BRIAN ROBERTS: 1 year, $1.05 million with Hornets
LANGSTON GALLOWAY: 2 years, $10-12 million with Pelicans
RICHARD JEFFERSON: 2 years, $5 million with Cavaliers
LEANDRO BARBOSA: 2 years, $8 million with Suns
BOBAN MARJANOVIC: 3 years, $21 million with Pistons
DEWAYNE DEDMON: 2 years $6 million with Spurs
MANU GINOBILI: 1 year, $14 million with Spurs
MARCELO HUERTAS: 2 years with the Lakers
AMIR JOHNSON: Celtics picked up player option
IAN CLARK: 1 year deal with the Warriors
FESTUS EZELI: 2 years, $15 million with the Trail Blazers
ALLEN CRABBE: 4 years, $75 million with Nets, Trail Blazers match
MARREESE SPEIGHTS: Minimum contract with the Clippers
TROY DANIELS: 3 years, $10 million with the Grizzlies
DERRICK WILLIAMS: 1 year, $5 million with Heat
TIM FRAZIER: 2 years, $4 million with Pelicans
WAYNE ELLINGTON: 2 years, $12 million with Heat
MARCUS THORNTON: 1 year, minimum with Wizards
JAMES MCADOO: 1 year, minimum with Warriors
JAMES JOHNSON: 1 year, $4 million with Heat
MEYERS LEONARD: 4 years, $41 million with Blazers
WILLIE REED: 2 years, minimum with Heat
JARRETT JACK: 1 year, minimum with Hawks
UDONIS HASLEM: 1 year, $4 million with Heat
GREIVIS VASQUEZ: 1 year, $5 million with the Nets
JARED SULLINGER: 1 year, $6 million with Raptors
KRIS HUMPHRIES: 1 year, $4 million with Hawks
SASHA VUJACIC: 1 year, minimum with Knicks
LUIS SCOLA: 1 year with Nets
CHRISTIAN WOOD: 2 years with Hornets
JONATHAN GIBSON: 3 years with Mavericks
PABLO PRIGIONI: 2 years, minimum with Rockets
JOE HARRIS: 2 years, $2 million with the Nets
MAURICE NDOUR: 2 years with the Knicks
ANTHONY BENNETT: 2 years, minimum with the Nets
RANDY FOYE: 1 year with the Nets
MANU GINOBILI: 1 year, $14 million with the Spurs
QUINCY ACY: 2 years, minimum with the Mavericks
RAYMOND FELTON: 1 year, minimum with the Clippers
TERRENCE JONES: 1 year, likely minimum with the Pelicans
DAVIS BERTANS: 2 years, $4 million with the Spurs
CHRIS ANDERSEN: 1 year, minimum with the Cavaliers
BRANDON BASS: 1 year, minimum with the Clippers
JORDAN HILL: 2 years, $8 million with Wolves
ANDERSON VAREJAO: 1 year, minimum with Warriors
ALEX ABRINES: 3 years, $18 million with Thunder
MILES PLUMLEE: 4 years, $52 million with Bucks
AARON BROOKS: 1 year, $2.5 million with Pacers
MIKE MILLER: 2 years, $5 million with Nuggets
GERALD GREEN: 1 year, $1.4 million with Celtics
TYLER ZELLER: 2 years, $16 million with Celtics
ALONZO GEE: 1 year, minimum with Pelicans
NICOLAS BRUSSINO: 3 years, minimum with Mavericks
DION WAITERS: 1 year, $2.9 million with Heat
MAURICE HARKLESS: 4 years, $40 million with Blazers
DAVID LEE: 2 years, $3.2 million with Spurs
KEVIN SERAPHIN: 2 years, $3.6 million with Pacers


Players for cheaper you could of thrown offers to that I feel we need on this team.

Etwuan moore
Jeff green
Joe Johnson
Courtney lee
Wesley Johnson
Wayne Ellington

These are players I quickly looked through here who I would of pulled the trigger on at the time before signing turner, and these guys are cheaper, some way cheaper. There are probably more on this list you could easily throw out offers too but for me this is on first glance

 

[ripcityboy]

One thing I never understood about Paul's money is that fans think they have a right to tell him how to spend his money.

Who buys the damn tickets? If we had a Donald Sterling-type skimping on practice jerseys then nobody would say anything about our complaing.

 

[Natebishop3]

One thing I never understood about Paul's money is that fans think they have a right to tell him how to spend his money.

When a person or a group buys a pro team, they are buying into the community that they are asking to support their franchise.

They invest their money and time in the team, just as we invest our money and time in supporting the team. If we aren't allowed to question their decisions, what's the point of supporting the team? It's not all or nothing. Support isn't compulsory. If it was unwavering support, no questions asked, I would stop following sports entirely. It's no different than buying anything else. If you are loyal to a brand, for instance Ford, and your last three trucks were Ford F150s, but it comes time to buy a new truck and the latest F150 is a piece of shit... would you buy it? Horrible safety rating, poor design, overpriced.... would you still buy it?

I personally have found brands that I like, but have gone a different direction when they made decisions with their product that I did not care for. I'm probably on my last iphone because I don't want to buy a phone that requires a dongle to use my ear buds. We are customers, and while the Blazers are tied to this city because they bare our name on the front of their jerseys, it is still our duty to "vote with our dollars" so to speak. If we're not happy with the product being given to us, it is our duty to voice our displeasure. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Here’s your whole list of that offseasons signings


BRADLEY BEAL: 5 years, $128 million with Wizards
TIMOFEY MOZGOV: 4 years, $64 million with Lakers
DEMAR DEROZAN: 5 years, $145 million with Raptors
ANDRE DRUMMOND: 5 years, $130 million with Pistons
NICOLAS BATUM: 5 years, $120 million with Hornets
JORDAN CLARKSON: 4 years, $50 million with Lakers
HASSAN WHITESIDE: 4-years, $98 million with Heat
ISH SMITH: 3-year contract with Pistons
D.J. AUGUSTIN: 4-years, $29 million with Magic
JEREMY LIN: 3 years, $36 million with Nets
AL JEFFERSON: 3 years, $30 million with Pacers
JERRYD BAYLESS: 3 years, $27 million with 76ers
MIRZA TELETOVIC: 3 years, $30 million with Bucks
CHANDLER PARSONS: 4 years, $94 million with Grizzlies
EVAN TURNER: 4 years, $70 million with Blazers
EVAN FOURNIER: 5 years, $85 million with Magic
MATTHEW DELLAVEDOVA: 4 years, $38 million with Bucks (Cavs can match)
SOLOMON HILL: 4 years, $48 million with Pelicans
JEFF GREEN: 1 year, $15 million with Magic
DARRELL ARTHUR: 3 years, $23 million with Nuggets
DWIGHT HOWARD: 3 years, $70 million with Hawks
MIKE CONLEY: 5 years, $153 million with Grizzlies
JUSTIN HAMILTON: 2 years, $6 million with Nets
JARED DUDLEY: 3 years, $30 million with Suns
E'TWAUN MOORE: 4 years, $34 million with Pelicans
JOAKIM NOAH: 4 years, $72 million with Knicks
KENT BAZEMORE: 4 years, $70 million with Hawks
JOE JOHNSON: 2 years, $22 million with Jazz
LUOL DENG: 4 years, $72 million with Lakers
JON LEUER: 4 years, $42 million with Pistons
ARRON AFFLALO: 2 years, $25 million with Kings
BISMACK BIYOMBO: 4 years, $72 million with Magic
TREVOR BOOKER: 2 years, $18.5 million with Nets
RYAN ANDERSON: 4 years, $80 million with Rockets
MARVIN WILLIAMS: 4 years, $54.5 million with Hornets
ANTHONY TOLLIVER: 2 years, $16 million with Kings
AL HORFORD: 4 years, $113 million with the Celtics
COURTNEY LEE: 4 years, $50 million with the Knicks
IAN MAHINMI: 4 years, $64 million with the Wizards
AUSTIN RIVERS: 3 years, $35 million with the Clippers
ERIC GORDON: 4 years, $53 million with the Rockets
WESLEY JOHNSON: 3 years, $18 million with the Clippers
JAMES ENNIS: 2 years, $6 million with Grizzlies
ANDREW NICHOLSON: 4 years, $26 million with Wizards
TYLER JOHNSON: 4 years, $50 million with Nets, Heat match
COLE ALDRICH: 3 years, $22 million with Timberwolves
GARRETT TEMPLE: 3 years, $24 million with Kings
TOMAS SATORANSKY: 3 years, $9 million with Wizards
JAMAL CRAWFORD: 3 years, $42 million with Clippers
RAJON RONDO: 2 years, $28 million with Bulls
MALCOLM DELANEY: 2 years with Hawks
MATT BARNES: 2 years, $12 million with Kings
DWIGHT POWELL: 4 years, $37 million with Mavericks
DERON WILLIAMS: 1 year, $10 million with Mavericks
TARIK BLACK: 2 years, $12.5 million with Lakers
RAMON SESSIONS: 2 years, $12.5 million with Hornets
SHAUN LIVINGSTON: 1 year, $5.8 million option picked up by Warriors
SERGIO RODRIGUEZ: 1 year, $8 million with 76ers
HARRISON BARNES: 4 years, $94 million with Mavericks
PAU GASOL: 2 years, $30+ million with Spurs
BRANDON JENNINGS: 1 year, $5 million with Knicks
LUC RICHARD MBAH A MOUTE: 2 years, $4.5 million with Clippers
ZAZA PACHULIA: 1 year, $2.9 million with Warriors
ROY HIBBERT: 1 year, $5 million with Hornets
LANCE THOMAS: 4 years, $27 million with Knicks
SETH CURRY: 2 years, $6 million with Mavericks
DIRK NOWITZKI: 2 years, $50 million with Mavericks
GERALD HENDERSON: 2 years, $18 million with 76ers
DAVID WEST: 1 year, $1.55 million vs. Warriors
MINDAUGAS KUZMINSKAS: 2 years, $6 million with Knicks
WILLY HERNANGOMEZ: TBD with Knicks
JASON SMITH: 3 years, $16 million with Wizards
NENE: 1 year, $2.9 million with Rockets
BRANDON RUSH: 1 year, $3.5 million with Timberwolves
BRIAN ROBERTS: 1 year, $1.05 million with Hornets
LANGSTON GALLOWAY: 2 years, $10-12 million with Pelicans
RICHARD JEFFERSON: 2 years, $5 million with Cavaliers
LEANDRO BARBOSA: 2 years, $8 million with Suns
BOBAN MARJANOVIC: 3 years, $21 million with Pistons
DEWAYNE DEDMON: 2 years $6 million with Spurs
MANU GINOBILI: 1 year, $14 million with Spurs
MARCELO HUERTAS: 2 years with the Lakers
AMIR JOHNSON: Celtics picked up player option
IAN CLARK: 1 year deal with the Warriors
FESTUS EZELI: 2 years, $15 million with the Trail Blazers
ALLEN CRABBE: 4 years, $75 million with Nets, Trail Blazers match
MARREESE SPEIGHTS: Minimum contract with the Clippers
TROY DANIELS: 3 years, $10 million with the Grizzlies
DERRICK WILLIAMS: 1 year, $5 million with Heat
TIM FRAZIER: 2 years, $4 million with Pelicans
WAYNE ELLINGTON: 2 years, $12 million with Heat
MARCUS THORNTON: 1 year, minimum with Wizards
JAMES MCADOO: 1 year, minimum with Warriors
JAMES JOHNSON: 1 year, $4 million with Heat
MEYERS LEONARD: 4 years, $41 million with Blazers
WILLIE REED: 2 years, minimum with Heat
JARRETT JACK: 1 year, minimum with Hawks
UDONIS HASLEM: 1 year, $4 million with Heat
GREIVIS VASQUEZ: 1 year, $5 million with the Nets
JARED SULLINGER: 1 year, $6 million with Raptors
KRIS HUMPHRIES: 1 year, $4 million with Hawks
SASHA VUJACIC: 1 year, minimum with Knicks
LUIS SCOLA: 1 year with Nets
CHRISTIAN WOOD: 2 years with Hornets
JONATHAN GIBSON: 3 years with Mavericks
PABLO PRIGIONI: 2 years, minimum with Rockets
JOE HARRIS: 2 years, $2 million with the Nets
MAURICE NDOUR: 2 years with the Knicks
ANTHONY BENNETT: 2 years, minimum with the Nets
RANDY FOYE: 1 year with the Nets
MANU GINOBILI: 1 year, $14 million with the Spurs
QUINCY ACY: 2 years, minimum with the Mavericks
RAYMOND FELTON: 1 year, minimum with the Clippers
TERRENCE JONES: 1 year, likely minimum with the Pelicans
DAVIS BERTANS: 2 years, $4 million with the Spurs
CHRIS ANDERSEN: 1 year, minimum with the Cavaliers
BRANDON BASS: 1 year, minimum with the Clippers
JORDAN HILL: 2 years, $8 million with Wolves
ANDERSON VAREJAO: 1 year, minimum with Warriors
ALEX ABRINES: 3 years, $18 million with Thunder
MILES PLUMLEE: 4 years, $52 million with Bucks
AARON BROOKS: 1 year, $2.5 million with Pacers
MIKE MILLER: 2 years, $5 million with Nuggets
GERALD GREEN: 1 year, $1.4 million with Celtics
TYLER ZELLER: 2 years, $16 million with Celtics
ALONZO GEE: 1 year, minimum with Pelicans
NICOLAS BRUSSINO: 3 years, minimum with Mavericks
DION WAITERS: 1 year, $2.9 million with Heat
MAURICE HARKLESS: 4 years, $40 million with Blazers
DAVID LEE: 2 years, $3.2 million with Spurs
KEVIN SERAPHIN: 2 years, $3.6 million with Pacers


Players for cheaper you could of thrown offers to that I feel we need on this team.

Etwuan moore
Jeff green
Joe Johnson
Courtney lee
Wesley Johnson
Wayne Ellington

These are players I quickly looked through here who I would of pulled the trigger on at the time before signing turner, and these guys are cheaper, some way cheaper. There are probably more on this list you could easily throw out offers too but for me this is on first glance

I addressed a couple of the names in your short list there. Did you see how they are doing so far this year? Please explain how they would make us better. That is the point right? To get better?

Just because you picked a few other names, doesn't mean it would have made any difference. Where is the difference maker?

 

[Cippy91]

I addressed a couple of the names in your short list there. Did you see how they are doing so far this year? Please explain how they would make us better. That is the point right? To get better?

Just because you picked a few other names, doesn't mean it would have made any difference. Where is the difference maker?

The difference is you could of got a few of those guys for the price of Evan Turner.

Etwuan Moore, 43 percent from three this year. Would be nice off the bench at the two spot.
Jeff Green averaging 11 points on 49 percent shooting. Better than Turner, fills SF spot.
Joe Johnson as solid as can be, true vet, similar numbers to turner but WAY cheaper
Courtney Lee 41 percent from three averaging 13 points a game. Once again, better and cheaper than Turner.
Wesley Johnson not doing as great this year as past years but still cheaper than Turner
Ellington is another solid guy averaging 11 points per game.

That's just touching some upgrades on the wings and for that year. Would I trade for these guys now? probably not, I am just giving an example, you could of signed 3 of these guys for what Turner and Meyers got, would be actual assets at the moment and would of made the team better. I don't see how you can argue that.

 

[Orion Bailey]

The difference is you could of got a few of those guys for the price of Evan Turner.

Etwuan Moore, 43 percent from three this year. Would be nice off the bench at the two spot.
Jeff Green averaging 11 points on 49 percent shooting. Better than Turner, fills SF spot.
Joe Johnson as solid as can be, true vet, similar numbers to turner but WAY cheaper
Courtney Lee 41 percent from three averaging 13 points a game. Once again, better and cheaper than Turner.
Wesley Johnson not doing as great this year as past years but still cheaper than Turner
Ellington is another solid guy averaging 11 points per game.

That's just touching some upgrades on the wings and for that year. Would I trade for these guys now? probably not, I am just giving an example, you could of signed 3 of these guys for what Turner and Meyers got, would be actual assets at the moment and would of made the team better. I don't see how you can argue that.

Jeff green signed for one year at $15 mill. He wouldn't be on our team this year or we would have had to pay him more.

NM, not gonna go through name by name. Sure he could have signed them, and what would their value be now? How would have they improved the team?

You admit you wouldn't trade for them now, but if you would have then, they would be on the team now. Hmmm Maybe NO DID have some for site and realized he didn't wan them on the team either? But you still would have signed them knowing now you wouldn't want them.

Hmmm okay..

Do you not see how ass backward that is considering you are expecting NO to have insight that Meyers and Turner shouldn't have been signed to that much?

Cant have it both ways.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Jeff green signed for one year at $15 mill. He wouldn't be on our team this year or we would have had to pay him more.

NM, not gonna go through name by name. Sure he could have signed them, and what would their value be now? How would have they improved the team?

You admit you wouldn't trade for them now, but if you would have then, they would be on the team now. Hmmm Maybe NO DID have some for site and realized he didn't wan them on the team either? But you still would have signed them knowing now you wouldn't want them.

Hmmm okay..

Do you not see how ass backward that is considering you are expecting NO to have insight that Meyers and Turner shouldn't have been signed to that much?

Cant have it both ways.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think Neil should have known in 2016 that $70M for Turner and $41M for Meyers were both ridiculous.

I don't know about you or Cippy, but Courtney Lee is one guy on that list that I would love to have at his current level, and for whom I'd love to deal Turner for if we could.

Imagine we had offered Turner a deal more commensurate with his prior production (remember, even he was shocked at the amount of the offer), and then signed Lee to a deal like what he got from New York, not matched Crabbe, not re-signed Leonard, and retained Harkless. The team would be better now than it is, we'd have no Ezeli or Nicholson dead money, and still be under the tax. That's not at all a far-fetched scenario.

 

[Cippy91]

Jeff green signed for one year at $15 mill. He wouldn't be on our team this year or we would have had to pay him more.

NM, not gonna go through name by name. Sure he could have signed them, and what would their value be now? How would have they improved the team?

You admit you wouldn't trade for them now, but if you would have then, they would be on the team now. Hmmm Maybe NO DID have some for site and realized he didn't wan them on the team either? But you still would have signed them knowing now you wouldn't want them.

Hmmm okay..

Do you not see how ass backward that is considering you are expecting NO to have insight that Meyers and Turner shouldn't have been signed to that much?

Cant have it both ways.

I just told you all those guys stats this year and all of them are better than turners on cheaper contracts meaning they have trade value. I gave you a list, i give you stats and names on how they can help and you play dumb. Well fuck Courtney lee is a great 3 and d player. We sure could use a wing to knock down threes. Etwuan moore is undersized but hes hitting threes at 43 percent. Of course I wouldn't trade for them now but at the time you have the space so you use it or lose it and these are the players who you could package together and get others out of say this offseason or at the deadline some deal could of been done. It's not ass backwards. Those guys contribute. Turner barely does and his insane contract makes it so much worse. If he was cheap, it would be easier because somebody would want him. Meyers doesn't play and we are paying him 10 mil a year so what does he do for this team? nothing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I just told you all those guys stats this year and all of them are better than turners on cheaper contracts meaning they have trade value. I gave you a list, i give you stats and names on how they can help and you play dumb. Well fuck Courtney lee is a great 3 and d player. We sure could use a wing to knock down threes. Etwuan moore is undersized but hes hitting threes at 43 percent. Of course I wouldn't trade for them now but at the time you have the space so you use it or lose it and these are the players who you could package together and get others out of say this offseason or at the deadline some deal could of been done. It's not ass backwards. Those guys contribute. Turner barely does and his insane contract makes it so much worse. If he was cheap, it would be easier because somebody would want him. Meyers doesn't play and we are paying him 10 mil a year so what does he do for this team? nothing.

No you didn't and no they are not.

I will say Courtney Lee, would have been good. But most of the names you listed I already refuted due to what they are doing now and/ or their per 36.

Now to your bolded, I play dumb.

How is it dumb for me to point out that you admit you wouldn't trade for them now, meaning, that they wouldn't do us any good now, so whats the point two years ago????? So use it or lose it two years ago, and what value would the have for us now?
Turner is an $18 mill expiring next year. That's an asset. None of the guys you listed aside from Lee, I believe would be an asset for us next year.


Not playing dumb, just don't understand your ass backwards logic on this.

 

[Cippy91]

No you didn't and no they are not.

I will say Courtney Lee, would have been good. But most of the names you listed I already refuted due to what they are doing now and/ or their per 36.

Now to your bolded, I play dumb.

How is it dumb for me to point out that you admit you wouldn't trade for them now, meaning, that they wouldn't do us any good now, so whats the point two years ago????? So use it or lose it two years ago, and what value would the have for us now?
Turner is an $18 mill expiring next year. That's an asset. None of the guys you listed aside from Lee, I believe would be an asset for us next year.


Not playing dumb, just don't understand your ass backwards logic on this.

It's not an asset, at all. I don't know why you are delusional about this and defending the turner signing but okay sure, see if we can move Turners contract at all while getting something of value in return. Yes, Courtney Lee would help right now. Any of those guys would help right now over Turner especially if we had a couple of them over one bloated Turner contract. I don't know what is so hard to understand about this. Yeah, we wouldn't have kept most of the names on that list, why? well let me explain to you again, they are assets. Assets that actually help us in case we needed to do a deal because they play solid and have pretty good contracts. Can you explain to me what Meyers can be traded for this offseason? what about Turner? absolutely nothing is the answer unless we wanna package them with a pick for a salary dump. What was Crabbe? oh yeah, not really an asset because we got nothing for him, go figure. Harkless, if he can play consistently is the only asset we potentially have from those summer signings and even then you can't get much for him in terms of value. Those guys I mentioned, all assets and all could be moved because they are solid and have good contracts. Are they game changers? no but they get you one package closer to the game changer to make your team a contender

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's not an asset, at all. I don't know why you are delusional about this and defending the turner signing but okay sure, see if we can move Turners contract at all while getting something of value in return. Yes, Courtney Lee would help right now. Any of those guys would help right now over Turner especially if we had a couple of them over one bloated Turner contract. I don't know what is so hard to understand about this. Yeah, we wouldn't have kept most of the names on that list, why? well let me explain to you again, they are assets. Assets that actually help us in case we needed to do a deal because they play solid and have pretty good contracts. Can you explain to me what Meyers can be traded for this offseason? what about Turner? absolutely nothing is the answer unless we wanna package them with a pick for a salary dump. What was Crabbe? oh yeah, not really an asset because we got nothing for him, go figure. Harkless, if he can play consistently is the only asset we potentially have from those summer signings and even then you can't get much for him in terms of value. Those guys I mentioned, all assets and all could be moved because they are solid and have good contracts. Are they game changers? no but they get you one package closer to the game changer to make your team a contender

How is an $18 mill expiring contract NOT an asset? We see it every year man.
Not even gonna read the rest of what you said, because you first sentence is plain wrong.

Everyone knows large expiring contracts are an asset. Especially during the trade deadline.

 

[blue9]

I don't think it's unreasonable to think Neil should have known in 2016 that $70M for Turner and $41M for Meyers were both ridiculous.

I don't know about you or Cippy, but Courtney Lee is one guy on that list that I would love to have at his current level, and for whom I'd love to deal Turner for if we could.

Imagine we had offered Turner a deal more commensurate with his prior production (remember, even he was shocked at the amount of the offer), and then signed Lee to a deal like what he got from New York, not matched Crabbe, not re-signed Leonard, and retained Harkless. The team would be better now than it is, we'd have no Ezeli or Nicholson dead money, and still be under the tax. That's not at all a far-fetched scenario.

Also, it doesn't even matter if the W/L record would be better/worse with one of those other players. What matters is that many of them are infinitely more tradeable than Turner. Turner is what limits our flexibility. I'd rather have a tradeable player who is net-zero -- or even net-negative -- relative to untradeable Turner. But, as a few of you have already pointed out there are multiple players who would both be better on-court, and be better trade assets providing us greater flexibility.

 

[Cippy91]

How is an $18 mill expiring contract NOT an asset? We see it every year man.
Not even gonna read the rest of what you said, because you first sentence is plain wrong.

Everyone knows large expiring contracts are an asset. Especially during the trade deadline.

I can't believe you are serious. Jesus christ

 

[Cippy91]

Also, it doesn't even matter if the W/L record would be better/worse with one of those other players. What matters is that many of them are infinitely more tradeable than Turner. Turner is what limits our flexibility. I'd rather have a tradeable player who is net-zero -- or even net-negative -- relative to untradeable Turner. But, as a few of you have already pointed out there are multiple players who would both be better on-court, and be better trade assets providing us greater flexibility.

That's all I am saying too. I am not saying I want those guys on this team, I am saying we are WAY better off with a couple of those guys on the squad because of the fact they are tradeable as opposed to Turner which just isn't. He holds no value

 

[Orion Bailey]

I can't believe you are serious. Jesus christ

Okay, so I may be a bit behind the times. It look like prior to 2015 expiring contracts held much more value than they do now because of some CBA changes.


http://theclassical.org/articles/the-end-of-the-expiring-contracts-era


However instead of saying You cant believe i'm serious, how about looking this up for me? Arent you the one who asked me in my first post why I was so argumentative? I suggest you pay attention to how you talk to people and if you cant handle that same edginess back at you then chill out... JESUS CHRIST super star! .


I am a fair person and can admit when IM wrong. I talk to you the way I do because you talk to everyone else the same way.

I did also find a few other articles where its still a mixed bag as to whether an expiring is still a good asset or not. The vast majority of these say they still have value, just not nearly as much as prior to 2015.

This is how the big boys do it IMO.


And I am STILL under the opinion that Turner will be tradeable next year to a team looking ot dump salary for the off season.

We will have to agree to disagree, but yes IM FUCKING SERIOUS...(big boy talk)

 

[tester551]

Okay, so I may be a bit behind the times. It look like prior to 2015 expiring contracts held much more value than they do now because of some CBA changes.

If you don't keep up with the changes in the CBA, then I also assume you also don't really keep up with the realities of the NBA economics.

So long story short, you have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[soobiased]

So long story short, you have no clue what you're talking about.



LMAO...

 

[Cippy91]

Okay, so I may be a bit behind the times. It look like prior to 2015 expiring contracts held much more value than they do now because of some CBA changes.


http://theclassical.org/articles/the-end-of-the-expiring-contracts-era


However instead of saying You cant believe i'm serious, how about looking this up for me? Arent you the one who asked me in my first post why I was so argumentative? I suggest you pay attention to how you talk to people and if you cant handle that same edginess back at you then chill out... JESUS CHRIST super star! .


I am a fair person and can admit when IM wrong. I talk to you the way I do because you talk to everyone else the same way.

I did also find a few other articles where its still a mixed bag as to whether an expiring is still a good asset or not. The vast majority of these say they still have value, just not nearly as much as prior to 2015.

This is how the big boys do it IMO.


And I am STILL under the opinion that Turner will be tradeable next year to a team looking ot dump salary for the off season.

We will have to agree to disagree, but yes IM FUCKING SERIOUS...(big boy talk)

So you back pedal and then forget twice you said my logic was ass backwards but now you are the bigger person? lol okay

 

[Orion Bailey]

So you back pedal and then forget twice you said my logic was ass backwards but now you are the bigger person? lol okay

i still think it’s ass backwards. And I am the bigger person.

My point was you talk abrasively but get all pissy when someone does it to you.
It’s funny the heat you toss but how little you can take is all.

Now back to the topic before I offended you with my arguementative behavior. Lol

I still believe NO will be able to rid us of turner as an expiring. Just not sure it will bring a star back. But there will still be options in my opinion.
I do not think we are as screwed as some think and I do not believe dames prime years will be wasted over the next two. He will have 3-5 prime years after that.

 

[Cippy91]

i still think it’s ass backwards. And I am the bigger person.

My point was you talk abrasively but get all pissy when someone does it to you.
It’s funny the heat you toss but how little you can take is all.

Now back to the topic before I offended you with my arguementative behavior. Lol

I still believe NO will be able to rid us of turner as an expiring. Just not sure it will bring a star back. But there will still be options in my opinion.
I do not think we are as screwed as some think and I do not believe dames prime years will be wasted over the next two. He will have 3-5 prime years after that.

I am not upset at all, I destroyed your argument and somehow that turned into you being the bigger person because you decided to make it personal as opposed to keeping it to a back and forth but OOOOOOkay

 

[LayneStaley]

You no what’s funny about most message boards, at least the ones I have participated on, is that a lot of people really feel like they are being attacked if everyone doesn’t acknowledge their opinions as an absolute fact or truth. How lame would it be if you posted something and then everyone just accepted it. There is a reason none of us work in an NBA front office. I know I can be a dick or come across harsh sometimes but every time I post something I fully expect 50% of the board will probably disagree and I’m fine with that, the fact people are even acknowledging your opinions by agreeing or disagreeing is a good thing in itself. I’ll stop preaching now.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I am not upset at all, I destroyed your argument and somehow that turned into you being the bigger person because you decided to make it personal as opposed to keeping it to a back and forth but OOOOOOkay

Cippy read below. You are the one who asked from the outset why I’m being argumentative, as if it’s something personal. It’s not.
That’s all I have been referring to.

And you didn’t destroy anything.

You no what’s funny about most message boards, at least the ones I have participated on, is that a lot of people really feel like they are being attacked if everyone doesn’t acknowledge their opinions as an absolute fact or truth. How lame would it be if you posted something and then everyone just accepted it. There is a reason none of us work in an NBA front office. I know I can be a dick or come across harsh sometimes but every time I post something I fully expect 50% of the board will probably disagree and I’m fine with that, the fact people are even acknowledging your opinions by agreeing or disagreeing is a good thing in itself. I’ll stop preaching now.

 

[Orion Bailey]

If you don't keep up with the changes in the CBA, then I also assume you also don't really keep up with the realities of the NBA economics.

So long story short, you have no clue what you're talking about.

So long story short, you have no clue what you're talking about.



LMAO...

ASSumptions.... are just that.