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tlongII said:
Seriously? Other than Lillard we have no one that is a proven player in the league. No one. How that doesn't equal suckage is beyond my comprehension.
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Plumlee and Henderson are proven. Aminu proved himself last year, especially in the playoffs. CJ and Leonard are well on their way and are exciting young players that would be reason for TNT to cover them. Davis is definitly proven. Kaman's proven even though he'll likely get no minutes.
 
I can't wait for them to prove themselves in time for UFA!
 
de·lu·sion
dəˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
  1. an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.
    "the delusion of being watched"
    synonyms: misapprehension, misconception, misunderstanding, mistake, error, misinterpretation, misconstruction, misbelief; More
 
tlongII said:
Seriously? Other than Lillard we have no one that is a proven player in the league. No one. How that doesn't equal suckage is beyond my comprehension.
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Question for you.

how do you become proven without getting a chance to prove yourself?

Not all the stars in the NBA were lotto picks. Many lotto picks are busts, while many mid level to second rounders become stars after a few years of adjustments and potentially a change of scenery.

Seriously, just because we don't have a bunch of superstars doesn't mean we have a bunch of guys who don't have any type of potential whatsoever.
What makes you think these guys have no chance of the team gelling, while individuals grow and improve their game beyond their previous seasons, or college play?

Do you not agree that an employee can work for one company doing something, but if not put into the right position, can fail, but then go to another company that does the same thing as the previous, but they put the employee into the right position and then the employee succeeds? IT also happens within the same company all the time. I started out in the shop at my employee as the shop manager assistant. I excelled. I got promoted to estimator and failed. Got moved to the Shipping/ Purchasing manager and have now found a home in my position that is high reward for my hard work and i'm a star in our office. I don't have 4 years of college like some of the office guys, so I didn't come out of college and get the big salary, but I am equal to them now.

Skill sets are all about how they are utilized can you prove that all the new guys on the roster had their skill set properly utilized in the past and their is no chance they can learn, changer, improve?

If not, then you should tone down the negativity because it has no validity...I mean pull thew plug already then...
At this point for a few of you that seem to be sooo jaded to this team sucking because we have no one proven, well if you have the same mentality in life, your life must be pretty tough and full of bitterness and hatred.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion as are you, but those that speak it, should defend it. I dare you to answer my Q's...
 
tlongII said:
de·lu·sion
dəˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
  1. an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.
    "the delusion of being watched"
    synonyms: misapprehension, misconception, misunderstanding, mistake, error, misinterpretation, misconstruction, misbelief; More
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Hmmm. Glance in the mirror lately? :)
Goes both ways. I think the generally accepted view is NOT that we will suck, but we have potential and can potentially end up with 25-35 wins. For this team, that is not sucking, if it goes as predicted and we start out a bit slow, but learn to play together and get more wins during the second half of the season. Going into the off season with a lot of momentum. Couple that with a potential deadline roster move to try to bring in that 2nd guy around Dame so in the off season we can try for the third. To me that is not sucking. That is kicking ass!!!
. I think there are only a few like myself that think we will get more than 35 wins, and I think there are only a few that think think we will get less than 20 wins.
Your definition of delusional fits you just as much as it fits me. :)
 
We'll see what happens in a few months. If I'm wrong I'll admit it. Will you?
 
While I am looking very forward to the coming season, I'm not comfortable making win/loss predictions with all the new faces on board. I have high hopes, but I'm trying to be realistic. The one thing I am absolutely sure of is that the roster is loaded with authentic potential. And, being the old fart that I am, I remember going into the 76/77 season.

We were coming off 37 wins, which I believe was a franchise best at that point. We returned only 5 players from the previous season (Walton, Neal, Steele, Hollins and Gross). Walton already had a history of injury problems and Hollins and Gross were coming off their rookie seasons. The rest of the team were newcomers, and even though Lucas was known, he was coming from the ABA, which wasn't on the level of the NBA. This being Portland, we hoped for the best and supported the team wholeheartedly, but no one really thought we we were championship caliber. But one thing we knew for sure was that that particular team also had authentic potential.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we won't know till we know. But if you hope for the best and dream big, good things happen. In 76/77 our best hopes and big dreams came true. The latent potential became the real deal. I honestly don't believe we'll win big this year but I have high hopes and big dreams that out of all the potential on the current roster, we're a great deal closer than the negative nellies think we are. What purpose does it serve to trash this group and predict the worst? It is what it is and this team will be very entertaining at the very worst. Let's give them a chance to prove themselves, enjoy the process for the time being and see how it all plays out. There will be plenty of time later on for the "I told you so's" and the "you don't know jack shits". Right now, until the season is underway, all we're doing is pissing into the wind.

Thanks for indulging an old man.....
 
tlongII said:
We'll see what happens in a few months. If I'm wrong I'll admit it. Will you?
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That's what I'm saying. If anybody doesn't think we'll suck then mike and mike aren't homers lol

My point of the whole thing was tnt has us on once for our caliber of a team is pretty shocking as it is. I love the Blazers and will always love them till I die but I'm not one of those dudes who says "I'm 100 percent certain.. Blah blah" I don't say or do homer things I'm coo on that..

Strenus ain't never been the same since his little guarantee, that's what happens to homers who aren't real with the situations..
 
tlongII said:
We'll see what happens in a few months. If I'm wrong I'll admit it. Will you?
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Absolutely.

UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
While I am looking very forward to the coming season, I'm not comfortable making win/loss predictions with all the new faces on board. I have high hopes, but I'm trying to be realistic. The one thing I am absolutely sure of is that the roster is loaded with authentic potential. And, being the old fart that I am, I remember going into the 76/77 season.

We were coming off 37 wins, which I believe was a franchise best at that point. We returned only 5 players from the previous season (Walton, Neal, Steele, Hollins and Gross). Walton already had a history of injury problems and Hollins and Gross were coming off their rookie seasons. The rest of the team were newcomers, and even though Lucas was known, he was coming from the ABA, which wasn't on the level of the NBA. This being Portland, we hoped for the best and supported the team wholeheartedly, but no one really thought we we were championship caliber. But one thing we knew for sure was that that particular team also had authentic potential.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we won't know till we know. But if you hope for the best and dream big, good things happen. In 76/77 our best hopes and big dreams came true. The latent potential became the real deal. I honestly don't believe we'll win big this year but I have high hopes and big dreams that out of all the potential on the current roster, we're a great deal closer than the negative nellies think we are. What purpose does it serve to trash this group and predict the worst? It is what it is and this team will be very entertaining at the very worst. Let's give them a chance to prove themselves, enjoy the process for the time being and see how it all plays out. There will be plenty of time later on for the "I told you so's" and the "you don't know jack shits". Right now, until the season is underway, all we're doing is pissing into the wind.

Thanks for indulging an old man.....
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THIS!!! Great post. See. Its the old analogy, better to have loved and lost than never lost at all. People talking about not wanting to be dissappointed.. so what if you are? Its not the end of the world is it?
I just know if I lived my life doing, saying and acting in every way to avoid all disappointment, then I would never get anywhere. Id much rather have my life be full of highs and lows than some flatline of mundaness.
 
Tunchi said:
That's what I'm saying. If anybody doesn't think we'll suck then mike and mike aren't homers lol

My point of the whole thing was tnt has us on once for our caliber of a team is pretty shocking as it is. I love the Blazers and will always love them till I die but I'm not one of those dudes who says "I'm 100 percent certain.. Blah blah" I don't say or do homer things I'm coo on that..

Strenus ain't never been the same since his little guarantee, that's what happens to homers who aren't real with the situations..
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Then you should add to my wager since it's so certain we will suck: Tlong bet $100 that the Blazers won't win more than 20 games. Care to accept since this should be a sure bet, being a realist and all
 
magnifier661 said:
Then you should add to my wager since it's so certain we will suck: Tlong bet $100 that the Blazers won't win more than 20 games. Care to accept since this should be a sure bet, being a realist and all
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OMG I want in on this bet!! I already have one that is honestly a crap shoot. So I need a sure thing to offset. Tlong, may I have the same proposal? :)
 
Hell I'll raise it up to 25 games. Please???
 
Tunchi said:
That's what I'm saying. If anybody doesn't think we'll suck then mike and mike aren't homers lol

My point of the whole thing was tnt has us on once for our caliber of a team is pretty shocking as it is. I love the Blazers and will always love them till I die but I'm not one of those dudes who says "I'm 100 percent certain.. Blah blah" I don't say or do homer things I'm coo on that..

Strenus ain't never been the same since his little guarantee, that's what happens to homers who aren't real with the situations..
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Let's look at some of the teams that play on TNT.

The Lakers (4 times), the Knicks (3 times), Pheonix (3 times), Sacremento (2 times), Utah and Minnesota. If you think we're surely worse than all those teams then you are a debbie downer.
 
magnifier661 said:
Then you should add to my wager since it's so certain we will suck: Tlong bet $100 that the Blazers won't win more than 20 games. Care to accept since this should be a sure bet, being a realist and all
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I believe it was 30 games dumbass.
 
Tunchi said:
That's what I'm saying. If anybody doesn't think we'll suck then mike and mike aren't homers lol

My point of the whole thing was tnt has us on once for our caliber of a team is pretty shocking as it is. I love the Blazers and will always love them till I die but I'm not one of those dudes who says "I'm 100 percent certain.. Blah blah" I don't say or do homer things I'm coo on that..

Strenus ain't never been the same since his little guarantee, that's what happens to homers who aren't real with the situations..
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Really? You're going to call me out? I owned up to it. Did you not see it? I also hardly EVER post in the offseason. But, I'm sure you knew that.

How is me saying i'm 100% certain a PLAYER is going to stay makes me a homer for a TEAM? If you know how I post, you would know that I am not a homer. So, please, be less aggressive on the assumptions, do some research, and then come back to me. Ask Kingspeed, he knows I'm not a homer. Ask Mags, he knows I'm not a homer.

Do not ever call me out without the facts.
 
jlprk said:
You say you'll bet on 25, but you're unwilling to bet on at least 27. That means you predict 25 or 26 (.305 or .317). You have proven yourself to agree with the pessimists. Stop waahing every time they speak.
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I am willing to bet 27. I just wanna know the pessimists number. Not a prediction of
>27 - 54<
 
I think we'll finish in the respectable .400s (33-40 wins). Unless it's a bet, it's ridiculous to require an exact number.
 
jlprk said:
I think we'll finish in the respectable .400s (33-40 wins). Unless it's a bet, it's ridiculous to require an exact number.
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Well the dudes so sure we'll suck. I figured he would attach a specific number in relation to the suckage.
 
Hell of a good post UncleCliffysDad.

Sure, chances are, based on our inexperienced roster, the Blazers aren't a playoff team. Maybe they are not a very good non playoff team.

But I believe in the long term potential of a bunch of our guys. And there is a chance the Blazers end up being much better than the doomsayers are saying.

Absolute proclamations about how good or bad they are seem kind of foolish.

I think we'll surprise some people.
 
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