Only positive so far

[dumpstralmannow]

has been Richards. Like I said, if he plays well they can trade him. I don't care if other teams know he can be bought out. Teams don't think like that. Contenders always look to add at the deadline. So if the Rangers end up not turning it around and Richards is having a big offensive season, they will be able to move him.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Why would Richards accept a trade. He knows that a very good season would result in a double huge payday. Yhe ranger buyout and then in FA.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[chuckd3534]

No one will deal for him Dump. The only shot we have to deal Richards is right at the trade deadline, another team is very good and feels like with one extra vet scorer they can win a cup no doubt. Then MAYBE they can deal him, but even then the other team would do so knowing they better pray Richards doesn't get hurt so they can buy him out this summer.

And we won't get anything for him dump, trust me. No team will say okay, let me take Richards off your hands, a Richards that we KNOW you will buyout this summer, and we'll also give you something good in return. NOT HAPPENING. Double so when the other team would know we are out of it, otherwise we wouldn't deal Richards to start with.

With that said, what we can gain, if we could ever deal him even for a late round pick, is the ability to use our 2nd buyout on someone else since Richards would be gone. And that could be worth something in itself.

On top of all that the other team would need to have cap space AND not mind wasting one of their buyouts on Richards' huge contract AND paying him all that money for years.

Sorry to say dump, it isn't happening. Just like I said last season, Richards is a business deal NOT a hockey deal. Only the absolute perfect storm would allow us to deal him, and allow another team to take on that contract, be able to afford that contract, be okay with using a buyout on him this summer, AND have the money to pay him off for years. Not happening.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Both of you are lost. Al, you are beyond lost if you think teams will pay a guy already making a lot of money with another big contract. Honestly, I would not expect Richards to get much more than the league min from almost any team if he's bought out. Almost every team in hockey with a brain will simply say, "You're already getting paid a ton." Only a moronic team like Philly paid overrated Vinny with a good contract. I wouldn't have given him more than 800 K when he has gotten paid. He would accept a trade because he knows only a few of the dumbest organizations would pay him anything after he's been bought out and those teams never are any good.

Chuck, I'm not going to trust you for crap because you and 95% of our fan base keeps saying we won't get crap for our players and Sather proves you wrong every, freakin time. It's like you haven't been watching this GM for the past 5 years. Sather always gets value in trade. I heard we would get nothing for Gomez. I heard we would have to give up our entire team for Nash. I hear we would get crap for Gabby. It's always the same garbage from 95% of our fan base. You think nobody on the team will get back squat and you are ALWAYS proved wrong.

 

[Greyvtrayn]

I agree w/ Dump. I'm not a fan of Sather in the least bit at this point but he has a knack for putting trades together to jettison some overpaid players. If he can trade Gomez and get back a great defenseman like he did, he can certainly find a good deal for Richards.

 

[chuckd3534]

You just don't get it dump, and I am done trying to explain it to you.

You continue to view Richards as a hockey trade. So you are saying we can get something for him. Look at this player or look at that player. What you don't get is this is not a hockey deal. It is 10000000000000% a business deal. Richards has to be bought out this summer. Has to be. No team will keep that contract for years under the news rules, it simply is not happening.

I agree with you 100000000000000% that if this was a hockey deal he could be dealt for something. It is not a hockey deal. This is a different situation than those situations. I was with you on Gabby. I was with you on Nash, you know I felt we wouldn't have to give up all this great stuff for him. Gomez I honestly don't remember my take on him prior to the deal, but that is also one of the great steals of all time, a once in a lifetime kind of steal. But in this case we just disagree because it is a business deal, not a hockey deal. Richards has to be bought out this summer.

I cannot see some team saying okay, you are out of it Rangers, Richards must be bought out this summer, let me give you some great pieces for him and absorb that contract, and need to buy him out myself this summer, cannot see it.

Can you convince me that some crazy GM will say let me take Richards off the Rangers hands for real cheap, like a late round pick, because they feel like it can win them a cup...MAYBE. But I simply cannot see anyway we get anything of value back for Richards. BUT even if we got a late round pick for him, the value would be us not having to buy him out and pay him tons of money for years. That would be the value if we could somehow pawn Richards off on some team at the trade DL.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Sather drugs GM's before he makes deals. Haven't people noticed that yet.

 

[Ranger71]

If they're definately going to buy him out then I'd take a 2nd rounder back for him. The other team would be taking a chance he gets hurt and then they couldn't buy him out, but the odds of that are slim. His contract would also be only a few million if they take him in March so that's not bad for a cap strapped team. It's possible but I think teams might be concerned about the injury thing. They would also have to pay the buyout penalty for the next however many years I think.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

ok...lets review the facts..
next seaosn is the last a team can use a buyout to get out of a terrible contract...
everyone knows the rangers will use that buyout at the end of this seaosn making him a free agent.
teams will want him if he puts up 70 to 80 points. why ..because they only have to pay him what they agree to, not what his insane contract is now....the rangers will have to pay Richards...he will become a free agent..he will get double salary. Just like Vinny and Philadelphia. Multiple teams were after him why would Ricahrds be any different under a short term deal.

Third. Richards has a no trade no movement cause, why would he leave? what incentive does he have to move to any team other then where he wants to go...so...take away half of the NHL because he didnt want to play west of the mississippi...now throw out the metropolitan division as we wouldnt trade within the division...so that leaves...Montreal and perhaps Tornoto. Dont think Tornoto has any cap for him maybe Montrael does.....

Would I be shocked...100% floored if he can get anything of value for Richards.

 

[Ranger71]

Ottawa could be a team to watch there, they don't have any depth behind Spezza/Turris and plenty of cap room. Plus Spezza is banged up alot. I'm sure he'd agree to go if he thought they had a good shot at the SC.

 

[chuckd3534]

A team without a ton of money is going to deal for a contract like Richards' and then pay him all that buyout money for years? HIGHLY unlikely.

Again, this is a business deal not a hockey deal. 2nd round picks and value back. You guys live in fantasy land on this. If we can get ANYTHING, and I mean even a late round pick, be thankful, and we should take it and run. So we can save the buyout for maybe someone else if need be this summer, and not have to pay Richards for the next 10 years.

 

[Disturbed]

Given the cap recapture rules trading Richards is 5 x less likely then getting McD for Gomez. Could it happen, sure. Highly unlikely for obvious reasons

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Once again, you people are looking at it like a fan. Not a GM. GM's for the most part DON'T CARE about the long term contract of a player or the long term salary cap situation of a team. You would think they do. THEY DON'T. Why you may ask? The answer is simple. There are a ton of GM"s out there that get FIRED if they don't win a title. The majority of Rangers fans look at other GM's like Sather and it doesn't apply. Sather hasn't won a title here but he's never getting fired. This is a world of make believe Sather lives in. Other GM's don't live in that world. They have a short window and when they don't win, they get FIRED. Thus, if there is a guy like Richards sitting out there averaging close to a point per game and with his long track record of playoff success, GM's of contending teams who are on the hot seat WILL TRADE for Richards if they think he is the final piece. Winning a title as a GM buys you 5 to 7 extra years at that job. That's a lot of money in that GM's pocket. So believe me when I tell you that most GM's don't give a crap about a big, long term contract if that player can help them get another 5-7 years on the job. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

Richards has made enough money in his career where he isn't going to refuse a trade to a contending team. Richards actually cares about winning. Thus, why Sather got him. So if the Rangers are having a terrible season, I'm pretty confident Richards would go elsewhere. Richards went after a big contract but he's never been a greedy player over his career. He was offered more from other teams and didn't take it and came to NY.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

For example, you think the GM of the Maple Leafs gives a crap about a big, long term contract if the player he adds who has it helps them win the cup? They are so starved for the Stanley Cup in Toronto that a GM who built a team that won it wouldn't get fired for the next 10 years no matter how crappy the team was. Same for Ottawa. If you were a GM in Edmonton, added Richards who helped you make the playoffs the next 5 years, there is no way you are getting fired. That's how you think like a GM. Especially a Canadian G.M. where those fans are nuts about hockey.

 

[cagedlion]

This is a team sport and the ONLY positive SO FAR is their one win vs LA Kings. No one player
interests me as much as if the players mesh together and win the game. That is all
that matters. The rest is all bullshit.

2nd Positive just occurred: Rangers 2 Washington 0 Nothing more. Nothing less.