OPEC to Cut 2 Million Barrels a Day

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Artificially decreasing the supply side in order to drive up prices.

Good thing the USA just sits on their own carbon assets instead of drilling, countering, and profiting on the market. Oh, and creating jobs. Forgot about that talking point.
 
I'm working on harnessing a new source of power for my car.... crushed hopes and dreams. It's an untapped resource :devilwink:
 
The sad part is that we have the resources now to decrease the demand for Foreign oil. I'm considering purchasing a Natural Gas Vehicle. The cars run on natural gas and they can actually be filled at your home. It's pretty cool, but they are still a bit pricey. $25,000 for a Honda Civic and $3500 for the filling unit that goes in your home. There are some tax rebates that go along with it, but still pretty pricey.
 
it was the offshore drilling that coincided with the falling price of oil.

There has been no increase in offshore drilling, and if/when there is it will have no effect on OPEC pricing.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/14/georgebush.climatechange

George Bush has today lifted a presidential ban on oil drilling off American coastlines that was first signed by his father – a symbolic move aimed at pressuring Congress into lifting its own similar ban.

Skyrocketing gas prices in the US have set off feverish political debates over offshore drilling, which was banned by Congress in 1982 and by former president George HW Bush in 1990.

Most Democrats point out that drilling off the coast of Florida, California, and other states would have a negligible effect on the nation's current fuel crisis but a potentially devastating effect on tourism as well as the environment.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/green/Congress_Allows_Offshore_Oil_Drilling_Ban_to_Expire.html

President George W. Bush today signed a consolidated appropriations bill that funds government operations through March 2009, including disaster relief. The measure also lifts a long-standing legislative ban on offshore oil and gas leasing cherished by conservationists.

Earlier this year, President Bush lifted an executive moratorium on oil and gas leasing offshore, so with the signing of this bill the petroleum industry is free to lease areas of the Outer Continental Shelf that have been off-limits for 27 years.

"This Act lifts the legislative moratoria on oil and gas leasing on significant portions of the Outer Continental Shelf and the prohibition on the completion of regulations for commercial leasing of oil shale, which will allow us to reduce our dependence on foreign oil," the president said.

While environmentalists predicted the bans would be reinstated in the next Congress, the National Taxpayers Union was pleased with the opportunity to develop more domestic energy supplies.

"The Democrats' concession on offshore drilling and oil shale leasing bans will allow development of our country's vast energy resources and - most importantly - will provide American consumers with some much-needed price relief in the future," said National Taxpayers Union Government Affairs Manager Andrew Moylan.

"Congress's decision not to extend the ban will make available more than 86 billion barrels of oil offshore and, potentially, as much as 800 billion barrels of shale oil. While these resources won't be accessed overnight, the promise of increased supply in the future will help calm volatile markets," he said.

and that it did.
 
They lifted the ban on it. Seems to have affected the markets since that is precisely when the price of oil started tumbling.

I was wearing an orange shirt the day we won the lottery to pick Oden. It seems my shirt affected the pick, since it was the very same day.

Seriously, why would the price of oil go down by a factor of 2 or whatever it has, just because the US decided to allow more drilling? Economically, that doesn't make any sense at all.

barfo
 
I was wearing an orange shirt the day we won the lottery to pick Oden. It seems my shirt affected the pick, since it was the very same day.

Seriously, why would the price of oil go down by a factor of 2 or whatever it has, just because the US decided to allow more drilling? Economically, that doesn't make any sense at all.

barfo

Threat of competition and promise of increased supply.
 
Threat of competition and promise of increased supply.

Well, in that case, I know how to make cars much cheaper. We'll simply say that we plan to build a new auto plant, and in response Ford, Toyota, BMW, etc. will all cut the price of their cars in half.

barfo
 
Well, in that case, I know how to make cars much cheaper. We'll simply say that we plan to build a new auto plant, and in response Ford, Toyota, BMW, etc. will all cut the price of their cars in half.

barfo

The problem is that your voice doesn't really matter.
 
The problem is that your voice doesn't really matter.

Neither does Bush's at this lame duck stage. This will not stand.

...While environmentalists predicted the bans would be reinstated in the next Congress...

This is simply one of the many environmental and safety protections which Bush has tried to reverse in his last minute war on the people of America which also include gutting the Endangered Species Act, numerous worker-safety laws, Clean Air and Water regulations...

Obama's first order of business will be months and months of intensive effort to restore these protections.

The net result is Bush is wasting about 1/4th of Obama's term with these childish antics and billions of tax dollars, and deliberately sabotaging the President and the very issues the American voters have decided they want promoted.

It is called treason and it will be another notch in his infamous legacy of destroying Democracy in America.
 
There has been no increase in offshore drilling, and if/when there is it will have no effect on OPEC pricing.

You shouldn't post to this thread again--or any post regarding supply and demand--until you understand the power of signalling.
 
Neither does Bush's at this lame duck stage. This will not stand.

...While environmentalists predicted the bans would be reinstated in the next Congress...

This is simply one of the many environmental and safety protections which Bush has tried to reverse in his last minute war on the people of America which also include gutting the Endangered Species Act, numerous worker-safety laws, Clean Air and Water regulations...

Obama's first order of business will be months and months of intensive effort to restore these protections.

The net result is Bush is wasting about 1/4th of Obama's term with these childish antics and billions of tax dollars, and deliberately sabotaging the President and the very issues the American voters have decided they want promoted.

It is called treason and it will be another notch in his infamous legacy of destroying Democracy in America.

Great, so then we are held hostage once again by the middle east....watch the price of oil skyrocket once we get these bans up in place. Of course, self-reliance on our own resources is a bad thing......the same shit happened in California with this environmentalist bullshit, lowered fuel economy and an increase in the gasoline tax.

And Obama flips his stance on offshore oil drilling anyways.....

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/02/campaign.wrap/
 
I was wearing an orange shirt the day we won the lottery to pick Oden. It seems my shirt affected the pick, since it was the very same day.

Collinearity. Look it up.

Seriously, why would the price of oil go down by a factor of 2 or whatever it has, just because the US decided to allow more drilling? Economically, that doesn't make any sense at all.

barfo

Another person who doesn't understand the economic power of signaling. Of course, demand is down because of our slowing economy, but the price declined in large part because we demonstrated our willingness to tap our own reserves.
 
Well, in that case, I know how to make cars much cheaper. We'll simply say that we plan to build a new auto plant, and in response Ford, Toyota, BMW, etc. will all cut the price of their cars in half.

barfo

It's sad when people comment on things they don't understand. Learn the difference between a commodity and a high technology good before you post again.
 
You shouldn't post to this thread again--or any post regarding supply and demand--until you understand the power of signalling.

The only signal here is Bush flipping off America by throwing a monkey wrench into the united effort to repair all the damage he has done to what was once a pretty decent place to live.

This has absolutely nothing to do with oil prices, fixing the economy, achieving oil independence...

It's just a big F-you from Bush to all of us.
 
And yet, you continue.

Ah, the old "I know I am, but what are you?" line. Genius.

I'll allow you to wallow in your own ignorance. You seem to enjoy that end of the pool.
 
The only signal here is Bush flipping off America by throwing a monkey wrench into the united effort to repair all the damage he has done to what was once a pretty decent place to live.

This has absolutely nothing to do with oil prices, fixing the economy, achieving oil independence...

It's just a big F-you from Bush to all of us.

Yep, you have no idea what you're talking about. No need to demonstrate further.
 
As for the ridiculous notion promoted by Repugnicans that we are somehow at the mercy of Middle-East oil barons, anyone want to take a guess at how much of our oil we get from them?

Here’s the regional breakdown for 2007 in thousands of barrels:

North America 1,648,765 33.56%
Africa 980,231 19.95%
Middle East 837,841 17.05%
South America 784,999 15.98%
Europe 567,152 11.54%
Asia 91,236 1.86%
Oceania 2,774 0.06%

And why do we buy any at all from them? It's not due to any economic reason, nor is it due to lack of availability elsewhere.

It's simply a piece to be played in the plan for American domination of the world, nothing more. Just an excuse to keep our military foot in the door over there so to speak.
 
As for the ridiculous notion promoted by Repugnicans that we are somehow at the mercy of Middle-East oil barons, anyone want to take a guess at how much of our oil we get from them?

Here’s the regional breakdown for 2007 in thousands of barrels:

North America 1,648,765 33.56%
Africa 980,231 19.95%
Middle East 837,841 17.05%
South America 784,999 15.98%
Europe 567,152 11.54%
Asia 91,236 1.86%
Oceania 2,774 0.06%

And why do we buy any at all from them? It's not due to any economic reason, nor is it due to lack of availability elsewhere.

It's simply a piece to be played in the plan for American domination of the world, nothing more. Just an excuse to keep our military foot in the door over there so to speak.

Man, you guys get really good shit in Central Oregon.
 
Man, you guys get really good shit in Central Oregon.


What the graph too hard to bear? Maris is right, and you to a point are as well.

We do send enormous amounts of money to the middle east, but them keeping us hostage by it? No, that's the public's fault, as we buy the gas to drive our big-ass hummers.


Military is over there to protect our interests, and the oil is our interest for sure, because of the importance of driving and how it relates to our economy. See gas prices go up, see economy tank. It's not the main reason, but its no coincidence that they are related.

However, saying that the offshore drilling lift impacted the market is a stretch. The biggest reason the gas prices went down are because of the economic hardships the American people were facing when gas was 5.00 a gallon, thus forcing the price down.

Finally because of conservation of fuel from the American people and the investigations into the illegal trade practices on wall street, we have ourselves the real price of crude oil now.

It's just a complete mind fuck to understand how the Bush administration let these companies get away with it..
 
Call me crazy, but rising interest rates on adjustable mortgages had much more impact on pocketbooks than an extra $20 every time you filled up, right? And it seemed that the subprime housing market "tanking" and the Chicken Little response by the banks to it caused much more hardship than an extra dollar or two per gallon. :dunno:
 
It's just a complete mind fuck to understand how the Bush administration let these companies get away with it..

I dunno...ask your congressman/woman?
 
Call me crazy, but rising interest rates on adjustable mortgages had much more impact on pocketbooks than an extra $20 every time you filled up, right? And it seemed that the subprime housing market "tanking" and the Chicken Little response by the banks to it caused much more hardship than an extra dollar or two per gallon. :dunno:


Possibly, but that extra 20 you filled up, turns into 80+ a month for most americans, because A) most people arent driving fuel efficient cars, and B) you fill multiple times a month

When a gallon of gas costs almost more than you make an hour (minimum wage) you have problems.


I'm not saying gas prices were solely the ONLY contributing factor, I do insist that it was more of a major one than most people think.
 
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