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CupWizier said:
marzy fails to mention that the republicans have cancelled several primaries with the sole purpose of preventing any other candidate from having any chance. Just more corruption that we have been witness to from this administration. I wonder if he recognizes the gerrymandering and voter suppression that happened last election by the republicans. When they closed a polling location in Georgia where many of the voters who lived in a poor area could walk to the polling station and instead had to take a bus trip into another town to vote. Hmmmm? Can we say corruption on that one?
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Whatever it takes to defeat the liberals
 
Chris Craig said:
Whatever it takes to defeat the liberals
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marzy and those with the same thinking have no redline. They just lap up anything trump dishes. It's somewhat funny how they operate but also very sad.
 
CupWizier said:
Moscow Mitch vowing to keep Obama from passing anything.
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Oh but he didn't.
Obama got his pet passed. Obama Care. Mostly in the trash bucket now, but he will always be remember as the President that actually went about harming many people. I estimate it was in the neighborhood of 20 million seniors that lost their healthcare
packages from their former employer due specifically to his healthcare that passed in both houses of Congress. While the whole plan might become trash one day, this harm to all these people can not be undone.
 
MarAzul said:
I estimate it was in the neighborhood of 20 million seniors that lost their healthcare
packages from their former employer due specifically to his healthcare that passed in both houses of Congress.
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I estimate that your number is way too high, since there are only 45M seniors total. Most people didn't have health plans from their employer after retirement.

barfo
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
It is absolutely an option for the Republicans to have other serious contenders run, and to nominate someone else. Yes, I asked questions based on my point of view, who doesn't?
I just don't get why people are staunchly defending Trump's actions, as a person or a leader.
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To be perfectly honest TBF I believe the two party system with strong idealogical leanings and the propaganda for the news channels that are just as idealogical, it stifles any kind of attempt for middle ground and compromise fro give and take. Values and beliefs vary so much in our country, but more so in certain areas.
Our kids will be taught to take no prisoners and to fall in line with a certain belief or be bullied or ridiculed which bothers me a lot but thats what they see now in many ways.
I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton but I did vote for someone I thought would represent a more centrist point of view and willing to reach out to both parties and find common ground.
I will again and if its an independent or libertarian or even a republican or democrat that wants to give and take, they will get my vote.
 
barfo said:
I estimate that your number is way too high, since there are only 45M seniors total. Most people didn't have health plans from their employer after retirement.

barfo
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Perhaps I should not have used Seniors, although many are. Those effected were not all yet seniors. But it is not only those former employees effected, but current employee that lost what they will never receive plus the dependents involved also.
No one knows all the companies encouraged to take this route. But we did get the ruff estimate in the conference I attended at some where between 15 to 20 million people effected. There were attendees at the conference of nearly 60 companies and we do know
that is not even close to all. There are no stats to find, no one kept a count. You know the Obama gang did not want this count known.
 
Hoopguru said:
Our kids will be taught to take no prisoners and to fall in line with a certain belief or be bullied or ridiculed which bothers me a lot but thats what they see now in many ways
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I agree and I hate this indoctrination.
 
MarAzul said:
Perhaps I should not have used Seniors, although many are. Those effected were not all yet seniors. But it is not only those former employees effected, but current employee that lost what they will never receive plus the dependents involved also.
No one knows all the companies encouraged to take this route. But we did get the ruff estimate in the conference I attended at some where between 15 to 20 million people effected. There were attendees at the conference of nearly 60 companies and we do know
that is not even close to all. There are no stats to find, no one kept a count. You know the Obama gang did not want this count known.
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and I suppose you were hoping for that ridiculous trumpcare package that would have hurt way more people than anything Obama did and also wouldn't cover pre existing conditions. You have constantly whined about the Affordable Care Act and still haven't provided any data points and no, it's not because Obama was trying to hide it. You didn't lose your health insurance, you just refused to use what was available to you. There were a lot more people that had NO healthcare at ALL.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I try to avoid politics a lot. I admit I'm not a big fan of the DNC or the GOP, I haven't liked a candidate they've presented in the Primary in a very long time. So maybe this is just that I'm not a good politician, or I would be bad at the game of politics, but what is really frustrating is that no one seems very good at saying I was wrong.

It can't be political suicide to get up in front of something and say you know what, we got this one wrong, or I shouldn't have said that, or my facts were incorrect.

I've been thinking about it quite a bit as I read the impeachment stuff, and political forums here and other places. It strikes me as just weird how much people dig into positions, they can't take a step forward or back they say this is the hill I'm going to plant my flag on and I'm not moving even in the face of all evidence showing that that's not the right hill to go with. Sometimes taking a stand is good, and needed, but sometimes just saying maybe I was wrong is the right step. Which really leads me to this. Why doesn't the GOP, Republican voters, "the right", whatever we want to call them just take a step back and say, "yeah the swamp needed to be cleaned out, or there were things about Trumps campaign we latched on to, or maybe putting Trump into the primary in the first place was just a bad decision".

We can go into both-sideism's, and deflect, and all that but I really struggle right now understanding those who are willing to plant their flag with Trump and just say nope that's my guy. It seems like a better strategy for the Republicans would be to get rid of Trump, find a new "voice" before the elections and run someone who leans a little more towards the center, will be good in debates against EW or whoever comes out of the DNC.

I guess I don't understand why at this point they've decided they can't just say, we were wrong about Trump, and move on, in my opinion being able to admit you were wrong, accept the responsibility of it is just part of being a mature functioning adult.
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Trump and Tucker are my heroes! And the Blazers are going to the Finals, baby!!
 
CupWizier said:
Wow, you obviously have some extremely low standards. :smiley-crazy::smiley-cough:
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Learn to laugh at yourself, as I do, Cup..and stop with the idiotic emoticons. I absolutely understand that I'm an underdog in these parts and know how to have fun with it all.
 
ABM said:
I absolutely understand that I'm an underdog in these parts and know how to have fun with it all.
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Then you are doing it wrong. You are supposed to be whining about how tough you have it, how the deck is unfairly stacked against Republicans, how the media and the Democrats and George Soros and AOC and Hillary and the cities and the coast and Obamacare and Obama and Michelle Obama and every other country (but Russia) and the deep state and Hollywood and so on and so on are all out to get you, and poor little pitiful you.

barfo
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I’m not sure who Tucker is but the Blazers are celebrating 50 years with a championship!!!!!
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Tucker Carlson is probably the most tongue-in-cheek, irreverent host on all of Fox News. Probably why I enjoy his so much.

I may lay dollars on the Blazers winning the WCF AND Finals!
 
barfo said:
Then you are doing it wrong. You are supposed to be whining about how tough you have it, how the deck is unfairly stacked against Republicans, how the media and the Democrats and George Soros and AOC and Hillary and the cities and the coast and Obamacare and Obama and Michelle Obama and every other country (but Russia) and the deep state and Hollywood and so on and so on are all out to get you, and poor little pitiful you.

barfo
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Nah, I actually get it. You can relax. Trump got in by his chinny chin chin.
 
ABM said:
Nah, I actually get it. You can relax. Trump got in by his chinny chin chin.
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By all three of his chins huh
 
ABM said:
Tucker Carlson is probably the most tongue-in-cheek, irreverent host on all of Fox News. Probably why I enjoy his so much.

I may lay dollars on the Blazers winning the WCF AND Finals!
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This shows how Trump still has fans. People actually like Tucker Carlson. There is nothing that will change people’s minds.
 
MarAzul said:
Now here is a post, where the guy has no idea WTF he is talking about and the mods delete the appropriate response.
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Can't use personal insults
 
Chris Craig said:
Can't use personal insults
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Yeah, I know. When you don't know what you are talking about, talking out your ass is a very accurate description. Meant to be the truth, not an insult.
But do what you will.
 
ABM said:
Nah, I actually get it. You can relax. Trump got in by his chinny chin chin.
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He does have a certain billy goat smell.

barfo
 
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