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MarAzul said:
Now here is a post, where the guy has no idea WTF he is talking about and the mods delete the appropriate response.
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so you didn't have the opportunity to sign up for medicare? If the answer is no, then that is total bullshit. There are also supplemental plans you can add on to get even more coverage. You are also a veteran so you have the VA so don't go crying me a river when there are millions that have absolutely no way to afford healthcare.
 
ABM said:
Learn to laugh at yourself, as I do, Cup..and stop with the idiotic emoticons. I absolutely understand that I'm an underdog in these parts and know how to have fun with it all.
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I laugh a lot when I am in this forum. You guys provide so much humor for me. You have a problem with the use of emoticons then complain to sly. :breakfast:
 
CupWizier said:
I laugh a lot when I am in this forum. You guys provide so much humor for me. You have a problem with the use of emoticons then complain to sly. :breakfast:
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Sure you do. :biglaugh:
 
MarAzul said:
Yeah, I know. When you don't know what you are talking about, talking out your ass is a very accurate description. Meant to be the truth, not an insult.
But do what you will.
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Last time I talked about your head and an ass you complained about it. So, it only counts when people are directing it at you, but you are free to use such phrases as you wish?
 
CupWizier said:
lol, so now you think you know me better than than I do myself? The laughs just keep coming. Thanks. Rock on dood. :hater:
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Well, that pendulum surely swings both ways.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I try to avoid politics a lot. I admit I'm not a big fan of the DNC or the GOP, I haven't liked a candidate they've presented in the Primary in a very long time. So maybe this is just that I'm not a good politician, or I would be bad at the game of politics, but what is really frustrating is that no one seems very good at saying I was wrong.

It can't be political suicide to get up in front of something and say you know what, we got this one wrong, or I shouldn't have said that, or my facts were incorrect.

I've been thinking about it quite a bit as I read the impeachment stuff, and political forums here and other places. It strikes me as just weird how much people dig into positions, they can't take a step forward or back they say this is the hill I'm going to plant my flag on and I'm not moving even in the face of all evidence showing that that's not the right hill to go with. Sometimes taking a stand is good, and needed, but sometimes just saying maybe I was wrong is the right step. Which really leads me to this. Why doesn't the GOP, Republican voters, "the right", whatever we want to call them just take a step back and say, "yeah the swamp needed to be cleaned out, or there were things about Trumps campaign we latched on to, or maybe putting Trump into the primary in the first place was just a bad decision".

We can go into both-sideism's, and deflect, and all that but I really struggle right now understanding those who are willing to plant their flag with Trump and just say nope that's my guy. It seems like a better strategy for the Republicans would be to get rid of Trump, find a new "voice" before the elections and run someone who leans a little more towards the center, will be good in debates against EW or whoever comes out of the DNC.

I guess I don't understand why at this point they've decided they can't just say, we were wrong about Trump, and move on, in my opinion being able to admit you were wrong, accept the responsibility of it is just part of being a mature functioning adult.
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Awfully long post to simply end up being the prime example of what you're complaining about.

Seems you're firmly entrenched in the mistaken idea that there's something wrong with Trump and those who support him, and determined to ignore the massive graft, corruption and treason by the Obama Administration and Deep State Intel heads who plotted with foreign powers in so many ways against America's interests...

Admit you were wrong, accept the responsibility of it as just part of being a mature functioning adult.
 
MarAzul said:
We often disagree. We do again.
Lyndon B. Johnson is the clear winner in this category during my life time.
Embarrassing for character, war mongering, and terrible policies. A clean sweep.
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And let's not forget his involvement in JFK's assassination.
 
MarAzul said:
Oh but he didn't.
Obama got his pet passed. Obama Care. Mostly in the trash bucket now, but he will always be remember as the President that actually went about harming many people. I estimate it was in the neighborhood of 20 million seniors that lost their healthcare
packages from their former employer due specifically to his healthcare that passed in both houses of Congress. While the whole plan might become trash one day, this harm to all these people can not be undone.
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14 million self-employed citizens, including myself, lost their healthcare as it instantly doubled in cost while losing most of it's actual value. The number of self-insured (no employer coverage) affected was upwards of 40 million.
 
ABM said:
Well, that pendulum surely swings both ways.
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Damn, your pendulum swings both ways? Never heard it referred to as a pendulum though. Hows the new wife feel about that? :devilwink: :cheers:
 
MARIS61 said:
Awfully long post to simply end up being the prime example of what you're complaining about.

Seems you're firmly entrenched in the mistaken idea that there's something wrong with Trump and those who support him, and determined to ignore the massive graft, corruption and treason by the Obama Administration and Deep State Intel heads who plotted with foreign powers in so many ways against America's interests...

Admit you were wrong, accept the responsibility of it as just part of being a mature functioning adult.
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Obama has what to do with this exactly...?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
300+M people (obviously not all are eligible), but I don't buy he's the "best" option. This is what I found strange here, the reason no one serious is on the ballot for the Republicans is a political CHOICE that they've made to not even challenge him...
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When you have the best, skip the rest.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

If it was broke, keep the guy who fixed it.

Go home with the date who took you to the prom.

Trump has fulfilled more campaign promises already than every President in my lifetime combined.

You may not like what he accomplished, but those who voted him in are ecstatic.

His base is everyone who voted for him in 2016.
 
MARIS61 said:
14 million self-employed citizens, including myself, lost their healthcare as it instantly doubled in cost while losing most of it's actual value. The number of self-insured (no employer coverage) affected was upwards of 40 million.
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That's a lot of people to be screwed by a dip shit that can not follow the Constitution. Of course your group and my group are all permanently screwed, Who the hell was permanently helped?
The one group that hurt badly and unfairly in my view, was the young adults that were forced to buy his shit. Thank goodness that has been fixed, none of the others can.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
Obama has what to do with this exactly...?
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Oh wow! Hang in there, more to follow.
I am a bit taken back that you haven't grasped the obvious at this point. Well I will not even attempt to help here, but I do think you will begin to learn the answer to your query before the end of the year.
Hold tight, it will come.
 
barfo said:
You are supposed to be bragging about how easy you have it now, how the deck was unfairly stacked against Real Americans, how the media and the Democrats and George Soros and AOC and Hillary and the Sanctuary cities and the swamp and Obamacare and Obama and Michelle Obama and UK, France, Canada, Ukraine, Australia, Germany, China, Iran and the deep state and Hollywood were all out to get you, and now they're all withering and dying while Real Americans rejoice and prosper. barfo
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fify.
 
MarAzul said:
That's a lot of people to be screwed by a dip shit that can not follow the Constitution. Of course your group and my group are all permanently screwed, Who the hell was permanently helped?
The one group that hurt badly and unfairly in my view, was the young adults that were forced to buy his shit. Thank goodness that has been fixed, none of the other can.
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That alone would have forced half a generation into a lifetime of poverty and dependence.
 
MARIS61 said:
That alone would have forced half a generation into a lifetime of poverty and dependence.
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I agree!
I just shuddered when I thought of my young grandsons, coming up and having to put on this harness.

Really, really bad. I was ready for war if there was no other way.
 
MARIS61 said:
Awfully long post to simply end up being the prime example of what you're complaining about.

Seems you're firmly entrenched in the mistaken idea that there's something wrong with Trump and those who support him, and determined to ignore the massive graft, corruption and treason by the Obama Administration and Deep State Intel heads who plotted with foreign powers in so many ways against America's interests...

Admit you were wrong, accept the responsibility of it as just part of being a mature functioning adult.
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MarAzul said:
Oh wow! Hang in there, more to follow.
I am a bit taken back that you haven't grasped the obvious at this point. Well I will not even attempt to help here, but I do think you will begin to learn the answer to your query before the end of the year.
Hold tight, it will come.
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I understand Obama did things that I wouldnt have done, and that were “wrong”, but Im not defending him for it. Just saying “Trumps never wrong!!!”, “Obama was wrong!” Is delusion followed by deflection. Yes Trump has done in my opinion some maybe “good” things in terms of policy. I just dont get the Trumps never wrong mantra, like why make that the hill? @MARIS61 basically told me all Obama did wrong, and Trumps never wrong, like seriously. If Obama or Clinton, or whoever was constantly lying and getting caught people would be RIGHT to call them out for it. I at times do believe there has been a witch hunt mentality with Trump, but the thing is, theres a lot smoke there and I just dont get why conservatives are so willing to throw themselves into the fire for him. He sure wouldnt for you and I.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I just dont get why conservatives are so willing to throw themselves into the fire for him
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Well I am not sure this is true. I am not a conservative, but I don't really want to take the time to explain it. Let me just say, I am not a Democrat or a progressive. I also do not want to throw myself into any fire for "him" or anyone else.
I have taken the oath up uphold and defend the Constitution, and I do recognize we have a duly elected President, whom is also my choice for the office. I think he does deserve my support until he is replaced by the next duly elected President.
I fully appreciate and support the Constitution, I think it has given us the ability to be a great Nation. I sure see no other way.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I try to avoid politics a lot. I admit I'm not a big fan of the DNC or the GOP, I haven't liked a candidate they've presented in the Primary in a very long time. So maybe this is just that I'm not a good politician, or I would be bad at the game of politics, but what is really frustrating is that no one seems very good at saying I was wrong.

It can't be political suicide to get up in front of something and say you know what, we got this one wrong, or I shouldn't have said that, or my facts were incorrect.

I've been thinking about it quite a bit as I read the impeachment stuff, and political forums here and other places. It strikes me as just weird how much people dig into positions, they can't take a step forward or back they say this is the hill I'm going to plant my flag on and I'm not moving even in the face of all evidence showing that that's not the right hill to go with. Sometimes taking a stand is good, and needed, but sometimes just saying maybe I was wrong is the right step. Which really leads me to this. Why doesn't the GOP, Republican voters, "the right", whatever we want to call them just take a step back and say, "yeah the swamp needed to be cleaned out, or there were things about Trumps campaign we latched on to, or maybe putting Trump into the primary in the first place was just a bad decision".

We can go into both-sideism's, and deflect, and all that but I really struggle right now understanding those who are willing to plant their flag with Trump and just say nope that's my guy. It seems like a better strategy for the Republicans would be to get rid of Trump, find a new "voice" before the elections and run someone who leans a little more towards the center, will be good in debates against EW or whoever comes out of the DNC.

I guess I don't understand why at this point they've decided they can't just say, we were wrong about Trump, and move on, in my opinion being able to admit you were wrong, accept the responsibility of it is just part of being a mature functioning adult.
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It's not saying you were wrong when it's something trivial, it's saying you were wrong when it's something important and something particularly difficult to admit to that defines an man.
 
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