Opponet of Obamacare goes Bankrupt

[deception]

http://www.newser.com/story/141421/...&utm_medium=slate&utm_campaign=greatfinds_rss

Mary Brown, who became the lead plaintiff in the National Federation of Independent Business' challenge of President Obama's health-care law because she didn't have insurance and didn't want to be forced to buy it, recently filed for bankruptcy … with $4,500 worth of unpaid medical bills. Obama administration lawyers were quick to point out that Brown's own situation is now a good illustration of the "uncompensated care that will ultimately be paid by others." Adds a health law expert, "This is so ironic. It just shows that all Americans inevitably have a need for health care. Somebody has paid for her health care costs."

Brown, 56, reached by the Los Angeles Times, was defiant, first arguing that the medical bills were her husband's, not hers. "I never said medical insurance is not a necessity," she added. "It should be anyone's right to what kind of health insurance they have." Lawyers representing her argue that the medical bills are insignificant, considering the fact that Brown and her husband owe $55,000 in non-medical bills as well, and attribute their client's financial difficulties to the failure of her business. "Anyone has unforeseen things that happen to them that are beyond their control," Brown says. "Who says I don't have insurance right now?"

 

[maxiep]

And somehow you believe this story to be proof that people can't be responsible for covering their own medical care? Hilarious.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I'm opposed to a single national healthcare plan (the ultimate end goal for obamacare) and believe it is unconstitutional for compulsory payments by all US citizens (realizing there are some built in exceptions). With so many better ways to provide healthcare for the needy, this plan is a stinker.

 

[jlprk]

It doesn't matter whether a minority oppose it. It already passed Congress and is being created step by step.

 

[Denny Crane]

It doesn't matter whether a minority oppose it. It already passed Congress and is being created step by step.

A majority opposes it. In fact, it may be a big deal for Obama (and Romney, too) in the swing states.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-02-23/swing-states-health-care-obama/53260222/1

In a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of the nation's dozen top battleground states, a clear majority of registered voters call the bill's passage "a bad thing" and support its repeal if a Republican wins the White House in November. Two years after he signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act— and as the Supreme Court prepares to hear arguments about its constitutionality next month — the president has failed to convince most Americans that it was the right thing to do.

 

[jlprk]

Your article had no real national numbers. Here's a Republican source covering the same Gallup Poll you cited. (You know, George Gallup, the right-wing born-again Christian whose poll results are always a little right of center.)

http://theweek.com/article/index/224935/3-reasons-voters-have-soured-on-obamacare

After you read through a little hysteria you find that nationally, it's only 50% "bad thing" to "42% "good thing." The focus is on 10 states because the Republican media is thrilled that numbers are more negative in the conservative states they define as Republican swing states for Republicans. You know, the states which have been victimized by unremitting Republican propaganda duing the Republican-only primary season. The article you cited notes Democrats complaining that their party is waiting until the real campaign to push their line and change the poll numbers.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It doesn't matter whether a minority oppose it. It already passed Congress and is being created step by step.

A minority in Congress, but it was clear a majority of Americans opposed it. I'll be curious to see what the US Supreme Court does with some of the issues of it. If they strike down the compulsory aspects of it I don't see how it can continue to move forward as it will drain the feds of money so fast that it's impossible to think we won;t be insolvent within 5 years or so. Maybe the single worst piece of legislation in the last 50 years.

 

[MARIS61]

A minority in Congress, but it was clear a majority of Americans opposed it. I'll be curious to see what the US Supreme Court does with some of the issues of it. If they strike down the compulsory aspects of it I don't see how it can continue to move forward as it will drain the feds of money so fast that it's impossible to think we won;t be insolvent within 5 years or so. Maybe the single worst piece of legislation in the last 50 years.

Opposing it doesn't mean what is being implied.

Many people, myself included, oppose it because it's a poorly disguised bailout of the insurance industry that increases the cost of healthcare, when what is needed is a true government run tax-funded healthplan similar to Canada's.

They oppose it because it doesn't go far enough. They will not vote to repeal it, but will certainly try to keep improving it until it is acceptable.

 

[Denny Crane]

Opposing it doesn't mean what is being implied.

Many people, myself included, oppose it because it's a poorly disguised bailout of the insurance industry that increases the cost of healthcare, when what is needed is a true government run tax-funded healthplan similar to Canada's.

They oppose it because it doesn't go far enough. They will not vote to repeal it, but will certainly try to keep improving it until it is acceptable.

72% of the people think it's unconstitutional.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gal...ocrats-say-obamacare-mandate-unconstitutional

 

[MARIS61]

72% of the people think it's unconstitutional.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gal...ocrats-say-obamacare-mandate-unconstitutional

That doesn't mean they think it's worse than no healthcare plan, only that they have issues with it's structure.

 

[jlprk]

As I said, the same poll says only 50% of Americans think it's a bad thing.

A new USA Today/Gallup poll offers some sobering numbers about President Obama's signature domestic policy achievement. The Affordable Care Act is broadly unpopular among registered voters, the poll finds, with half calling its passage a "bad thing" and 42 percent a "good thing"...Also, 72 percent of all polled adults believe the ACA's individual mandate is unconstitutional

http://theweek.com/article/index/224935/3-reasons-voters-have-soured-on-obamacare

If the religious rightist George Gallup had wanted anyone to take his poll seriously, he'd have quickly added a followup question to make sense out of his inconsistent findings. He would have asked, "If you think it's a good thing but unconstitutional, are you saying you want the constitution changed, and will meanwhile vote for Obama?"

 

[jlprk]

As the ever-unpopular Iraq War shows, voter polls don't matter much in predicting whether something will go forward. The poll that matters is the one taken in Congress, and this health bill has already passed.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

That doesn't mean they think it's worse than no healthcare plan, only that they have issues with it's structure.

Solid retreat.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

As the ever-unpopular Iraq War shows, voter polls don't matter much in predicting whether something will go forward. The poll that matters is the one taken in Congress, and this health bill has already passed.

For now. The Supreme Court may derail it or a GOP Congress may do so as well.

 

[MARIS61]

Solid retreat.

Not at all.

Just pointing out the obvious manipulation that is trademark in all Gallup polls.

Most people, including myself, believe that the provision in the health-care law that requires individuals to purchase health insurance or pay a fine is unconstitutional.

Most people, including myself, also support nearly everything else about the plan.

Eventually, it will be similar to Canada's. We're fifty years behind the rest of the developed world in healthcare.

 

[Denny Crane]

How many conspiracy theories do you have, Maris?

ObamaCare is the govt. putting a gun to our heads, demanding we fork over our cash to the insurance corporations. And the unconstitutional part is required or the whole thing doesn't work.

We were lied into this, to the tune of nearly $2T over the next 10 years. Twice what the wars cost.

 

[jlprk]

To repeat, the poll reports that 50% of Americans oppose, 42% favor, and 8% are undecided. This after 2 years of nonstop negative pub from Reps.

No problem to reverse those numbers at will. It would take one good news story. Easy. If Dems ever need to, which they won't. It's irreversible.