Politics Oregon approves measure requiring insurers to cover abortion

[Denny Crane]

teenager or young college student who's been raped might not have a lot of luck shopping or much expendable income to choose coverage...."Hi! I'm pregnant and a victim of sexual assault....I'm in high school and if my parents find out they'll kick me out of the house....can I pay you later when I graduate and get a job?".....click....dial tone

Assistance for the poor is a completely separate issue.

 

[donkiez]

Huh, I wonder if this will open the door to requiring insurance to cover cosmetic plastic surgery. After all that and abortion are choices.

A heart transplant is also a choice, no one will ever force you to get one.

Smoking is also a choice, does this logic extend to smokers and the extra health care they will require?

 

[riverman]

Smoking is also a choice, does this logic extend to smokers and the extra health care they will require?

This should be covered by tobacco titans as far as I'm concerned...they've been pedaling death for profit for many many decades.

 

[Nate]

This should be covered by tobacco titans as far as I'm concerned...they've been pedaling death for profit for many many decades.

Or people could stop smoking cancer sticks.

 

[Nate]

A heart transplant is also a choice, no one will ever force you to get one.

Smoking is also a choice, does this logic extend to smokers and the extra health care they will require?

Or obese people? Or alcoholics/drug addicts?

I don't have a problem paying for abortions. Because I don't want that little parasite growing into a full human anyways.

But I don't want to pay for pieces of shit that live unhealthy lifestyles

Here's a thought: person uses food stamps to buy shit food for years, then has crazy medical bills for their shit health. Great use of tax dollars lol.

 

[Nate]

As long as they're culturally appropriate.

She better not make burritos!

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

A heart transplant is also a choice, no one will ever force you to get one.

Smoking is also a choice, does this logic extend to smokers and the extra health care they will require?

I want aftermarket rims for my wife's car. Should I see if my car insurance will pay for it? Oil changes?

If you pass a law making them cover stuff like that what do you think will happen to my premiums?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Or obese people? Or alcoholics/drug addicts?

I don't have a problem paying for abortions. Because I don't want that little parasite growing into a full human anyways.

But I don't want to pay for pieces of shit that live unhealthy lifestyles

Here's a thought: person uses food stamps to buy shit food for years, then has crazy medical bills for their shit health. Great use of tax dollars lol.

I'm a lot lighter than I was and have maintained it for 3-4 years now but couple my years of being over 400 with the toll my job takes on my body and I'd cost a shit ton of money if I would actually go to the doctor. I hate it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

She better not make burritos!

Maybe she can make them, just not sell them?

 

[Nate]

I know a lot of drug addicts that go get "free" healthcare daily. Abscess on the arm? Feeling dope sick? Hurt themselves breaking into a car? Go get free medical care!

My brother for one example, is a life long junkie. He's literally had about 200,000-300,000 dollars in medical care. All shit that was his own fault. I can't wait for him to go to prison for 10+ years, or die. Those are the only 2 options to get him clean at this point.

 

[Nate]

I'm a lot lighter than I was and have maintained it for 3-4 years now but couple my years of being over 400 with the toll my job takes on my body and I'd cost a shit ton of money if I would actually go to the doctor. I hate it.

Keep it up!

 

[Nate]

Maybe she can make them, just not sell them?

But she still has to send some money to a burrito maker in Mexico.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Keep it up!

Tonight is gym night.

 

[Nate]

Tonight is gym night.

If you're trying to lose weight, I recommend cutting out as much animal products as possible! I switched out all breakfast meats with the veggie options.. men in my family die from heart attacks.. the bacon isn't worth it to me anymore lol. I try to not touch dairy.

 

[MarAzul]

When the government is defining a product like health insurance so that it covers everything with a heart string tether attached, then you have product most people can not afford. So therefore it become unmarketable. Then it is not health insurance, it is nothing. So why have the government involved with health insurance?

There is only answer to this question. The agenda of those that support government involvement with heath insurance is to make it unusable for enough, to make government run healthcare desirable to a majority. Then we are all in the same soup, beholding to our representative to help us navigate the morass of regulation insulating us from the healthcare, which if we all use it, would bust the budget.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

When the government is defining a product like health insurance so that it covers everything with a heart string tether attached, then you have product most people can not afford. So therefore it become unmarketable. Then it is not health insurance, it is nothing. So why have the government involved with health insurance?

There is only answer to this question. The agenda of those that support government involvement with heath insurance is to make it unusable for enough, to make government run healthcare desirable to a majority. Then we are all in the same soup, beholding to our representative to help us navigate the morass of regulation insulating us from the healthcare, which if we all use it, would bust the budget.

You don't have to use the insurance. You can pay for your own abortions out of pocket.

 

[MarAzul]

You don't have to use the insurance. You can pay for your own abortions out of pocket.

I suppose that make some sense to you Sly. But then I could be feeling charitable.

 

[Nate]

Hey, that's good for tourism. Maybe Virgin Airlines will bring illegals from all over the world for abortions.

Do they get health insurance cards when they land?

This one will be headed to the Supreme Court I suspect.

A cop told me the other day, that other states will send homeless people on a one way ticket to portland. So... yeah maybe lol.

 

[crandc]

Unlike Nate, I don't consider any human being "pieces of shit". And unlike Nate, I recognize there are NO perfect humans. None. Everyone does risky things or things we should not. It's called being human. And anyone can have an accident. Obviously there are degrees. Shooting heroin or smoking cigarettes is more risky than going for a walk. But right now I have a painful swollen right knee that has knocked out my weekend plans and has me limping through the day taking painkillers because I went for my normal 2 mile after work walk, the toe of my sneaker stuck in a crack in the sidewalk and pitched me forward onto my right knee. Hard. On concrete. If I need medical care, which I might if it does not heal on its own, will Nate say I took a risk by walking on badly kept city sidewalks? Maybe if I looked where I was going I would not have fallen. Should I be denied treatment because I had my head in the clouds?

I mean, I make pretty decent choices in personal lifestyle but I have no choice about air quality or water quality and Trump is eliminating standards. Are people in Flint pieces of shit who took the risk of drinking water and got lead poisoning, or are they people who live in a non-affluent community that was low priority?

Years ago, my late cat Celia got her leg caught and went into total panic. I realized I needed both hands to free her so could not restrain her head, and the only neighbor in shouting distance was not home. So I used both hands and in her panic she repeatedly bit me. Not normal for her, she was normally a good cat but was just blindly panicked. By the time she was freed, which only took 2 or 3 minutes, her leg was covered with blood from my hands, her skin never broke. I cleaned as best I could but had punctures. I had to go to ER next day with incipient blood poisoning where one of her canines bit right into my finger joint. Cats carry two bacteria we do not and therefore have no immunity to. I waited hours because the fucking insurance company would not clear ER, saying a cat bite was not an emergency, until I grabbed a nurse, showed her my hand red and twice normal size, she started treatment and dealt with bureaucracy later. Because I would lose the finger if not treated. So was I a piece of shit taking a risk because I had a cat?

And sometimes women have unwanted pregnancies, either unplanned or planned ones that go wrong. Sometimes horribly wrong. No one has the right to make value judgments. Even though a lot of people, mostly males in power, think they do.

My point is life is risky and all of us take risks and no one is mistake free. If that is your criterion for who deserves health care we will all be dead.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Unlike Nate, I don't consider any human being "pieces of shit". And unlike Nate, I recognize there are NO perfect humans. None. Everyone does risky things or things we should not. It's called being human. And anyone can have an accident. Obviously there are degrees. Shooting heroin or smoking cigarettes is more risky than going for a walk. But right now I have a painful swollen right knee that has knocked out my weekend plans and has me limping through the day taking painkillers because I went for my normal 2 mile after work walk, the toe of my sneaker stuck in a crack in the sidewalk and pitched me forward onto my right knee. Hard. On concrete. If I need medical care, which I might if it does not heal on its own, will Nate say I took a risk by walking on badly kept city sidewalks? Maybe if I looked where I was going I would not have fallen. Should I be denied treatment because I had my head in the clouds?

I mean, I make pretty decent choices in personal lifestyle but I have no choice about air quality or water quality and Trump is eliminating standards. Are people in Flint pieces of shit who took the risk of drinking water and got lead poisoning, or are they people who live in a non-affluent community that was low priority?

Years ago, my late cat Celia got her leg caught and went into total panic. I realized I needed both hands to free her so could not restrain her head, and the only neighbor in shouting distance was not home. So I used both hands and in her panic she repeatedly bit me. Not normal for her, she was normally a good cat but was just blindly panicked. By the time she was freed, which only took 2 or 3 minutes, her leg was covered with blood from my hands, her skin never broke. I cleaned as best I could but had punctures. I had to go to ER next day with incipient blood poisoning where one of her canines bit right into my finger joint. Cats carry two bacteria we do not and therefore have no immunity to. I waited hours because the fucking insurance company would not clear ER, saying a cat bite was not an emergency, until I grabbed a nurse, showed her my hand red and twice normal size, she started treatment and dealt with bureaucracy later. Because I would lose the finger if not treated. So was I a piece of shit taking a risk because I had a cat?

And sometimes women have unwanted pregnancies, either unplanned or planned ones that go wrong. Sometimes horribly wrong. No one has the right to make value judgments. Even though a lot of people, mostly males in power, think they do.

My point is life is risky and all of us take risks and no one is mistake free. If that is your criterion for who deserves health care we will all be dead.

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Oh, and plenty of human beings are pieces of shit.

 

[donkiez]

Or obese people? Or alcoholics/drug addicts?

I don't have a problem paying for abortions. Because I don't want that little parasite growing into a full human anyways.

But I don't want to pay for pieces of shit that live unhealthy lifestyles

Here's a thought: person uses food stamps to buy shit food for years, then has crazy medical bills for their shit health. Great use of tax dollars lol.

How about people who participate in extreme sports or dangerous jobs? Those are also potentially expensive lifestyle choices. If you add shitty life style choices to preexisting conditions then no one can get insurance anymore. The cost of care is not increasing because some poor woman wants to have an abortion, its increasing because a pack of crooks are running the system and a bigger pack of dip shits are arguing over meaningless details like birth control rather than focus on systemic issues.

 

[crandc]

How does one judge which humans are "pieces of shit" and deserve to die? Who has the right to make that decision?

Do you want to ask the candidate who called for killing Muslims and filmed a campaign ad in a gas chamber?

 

[riverman]

So why have the government involved with health insurance?

It's our tax money....spending it for public safety and health is a good investment...if those taxes aren't allocated to public health, environmental issues, etc....they're going to just put those taxes into more of an arms race and give it to the military anyway...choices.....I'm taxed every paycheck...I want it put to sensible use, not military escalation or walls on the border...I'm going to accept my social security check mailed to me by the govt ...I've earned it. Will those without heart strings refuse those social security checks and medicare benefits because they are socialistic in nature?

 

[Jade Falcon]

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

How does one judge which humans are "pieces of shit" and deserve to die? Who has the right to make that decision?

Do you want to ask the candidate who called for killing Muslims and filmed a campaign ad in a gas chamber?

The same way we choose which people we want to disparage by calling them their given name because we believe they're racist. You know, like assholes that would talk about Jeff Sessions and call him Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III.

I know you wouldn't do something so judgemental like that but you get the idea.

I'm sure you also feel nothing but compassion for the candidate you say advocates killing Muslims. He's just being the person nature made him.

 

[Nate]

How about people who participate in extreme sports or dangerous jobs? Those are also potentially expensive lifestyle choices. If you add shitty life style choices to preexisting conditions then no one can get insurance anymore. The cost of care is not increasing because some poor woman wants to have an abortion, its increasing because a pack of crooks are running the system and a bigger pack of dip shits are arguing over meaningless details like birth control rather than focus on systemic issues.

Dangerous jobs would be covered by employer.

Extreme sports injuries would be like any other sport injury imo.

I love abortion. And all other types of birth control.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

How does one judge which humans are "pieces of shit" and deserve to die? Who has the right to make that decision?

Do you want to ask the candidate who called for killing Muslims and filmed a campaign ad in a gas chamber?

Oh, of course I had to Google it and see what the numbnuts actually said. He says he wants to kill any "radicalized islamic suspect"

Which might be pretty fucked up if he means ones we capture but it still isn't just "killing Muslims"

This article isn't exactly making this guy out to be the good guy. Do you have one that proves he just wants to kill Muslims?

https://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/7...tical-commercial-inside-Auschwitz-gas-chamber

 

[Nate]

Unlike Nate, I don't consider any human being "pieces of shit". And unlike Nate, I recognize there are NO perfect humans. None. Everyone does risky things or things we should not. It's called being human. And anyone can have an accident. Obviously there are degrees. Shooting heroin or smoking cigarettes is more risky than going for a walk. But right now I have a painful swollen right knee that has knocked out my weekend plans and has me limping through the day taking painkillers because I went for my normal 2 mile after work walk, the toe of my sneaker stuck in a crack in the sidewalk and pitched me forward onto my right knee. Hard. On concrete. If I need medical care, which I might if it does not heal on its own, will Nate say I took a risk by walking on badly kept city sidewalks? Maybe if I looked where I was going I would not have fallen. Should I be denied treatment because I had my head in the clouds?

I mean, I make pretty decent choices in personal lifestyle but I have no choice about air quality or water quality and Trump is eliminating standards. Are people in Flint pieces of shit who took the risk of drinking water and got lead poisoning, or are they people who live in a non-affluent community that was low priority?

Years ago, my late cat Celia got her leg caught and went into total panic. I realized I needed both hands to free her so could not restrain her head, and the only neighbor in shouting distance was not home. So I used both hands and in her panic she repeatedly bit me. Not normal for her, she was normally a good cat but was just blindly panicked. By the time she was freed, which only took 2 or 3 minutes, her leg was covered with blood from my hands, her skin never broke. I cleaned as best I could but had punctures. I had to go to ER next day with incipient blood poisoning where one of her canines bit right into my finger joint. Cats carry two bacteria we do not and therefore have no immunity to. I waited hours because the fucking insurance company would not clear ER, saying a cat bite was not an emergency, until I grabbed a nurse, showed her my hand red and twice normal size, she started treatment and dealt with bureaucracy later. Because I would lose the finger if not treated. So was I a piece of shit taking a risk because I had a cat?

And sometimes women have unwanted pregnancies, either unplanned or planned ones that go wrong. Sometimes horribly wrong. No one has the right to make value judgments. Even though a lot of people, mostly males in power, think they do.

My point is life is risky and all of us take risks and no one is mistake free. If that is your criterion for who deserves health care we will all be dead.

I painfully read through some of that garbage.

But yeah, smoking cigarettes and walking down the street are the same thing. You're a sharp one.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I think what bothers me the most is hearing progressives talk about facts CONSTANTLY and then being too lazy or dishonest to actually quote what their opponent actually says.

As if filming a political ad in a gas chamber isn't kind of creepy enough.

 

[Nate]

How does one judge which humans are "pieces of shit" and deserve to die? Who has the right to make that decision?

Do you want to ask the candidate who called for killing Muslims and filmed a campaign ad in a gas chamber?

Well first, let's ask ourselves.

What is a piece of shit?