Politics Oregon approves measure requiring insurers to cover abortion

[Nate]

@crandc let me mansplain it, so you can understand.

I don't want to pay for people to slowly kill themselves with cigarettes/alcohol/meth/etc.

But if you want to kill babies, I'll gladly pay for all of those.

 

[barfo]

I think what bothers me the most is hearing progressives talk about facts CONSTANTLY and then being too lazy or dishonest to actually quote what their opponent actually says.

But I quote you quite often. I just did, in fact.

barfo

 

[barfo]

But if you want to kill babies, I'll gladly pay for all of those.

Awesome. When can we expect your check to arrive?

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

But I quote you quite often. I just did, in fact.

barfo

Well, yeah if you quote ME you're spreading facts. That's just a small exception to an otherwise universal problem with libs.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

But I quote you quite often. I just did, in fact.

barfo

Just smashed the computer or phone after my reply? Don't blame you.

 

[barfo]

Just smashed the computer or phone after my reply? Don't blame you. View attachment 15059

Nope, still here. The Romulan cloaking device is working flawlessly.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Nope, still here. The Romulan cloaking device is working flawlessly.

barfo

Knew it. Just wanted someone to admit it.

 

[Nate]

Awesome. When can we expect your check to arrive?

barfo

As soon as I see a dead fetus.

 

[Nate]

How does one judge which humans are "pieces of shit" and deserve to die? Who has the right to make that decision?

Funny question coming from a person that is pro abortion.

Idk, how do you make the decision to kill a baby?

 

[barfo]

As soon as I see a dead fetus.

So it's like a bounty? You'll pay whenever someone brings you a dead fetus?

barfo

 

[Nate]

So it's like a bounty? You'll pay whenever someone brings you a dead fetus?

barfo

*with a receipt

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Funny question coming from a person that is pro abortion.

Idk, how do you make the decision to kill a baby?

She isn't a bad man. Duh

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Funny question coming from a person that is pro abortion.

Idk, how do you make the decision to kill a baby?

I'm pro choice too. But I'm also pro choice if it should be legal to put shitty non synthetic oil in your car. I don't want to encourage people to do either but sometimes you gotta let people be free.

I literally am not sure who I look down on more, people that buy nice cars and use shitty oil or people who use abortion as birth control. Hmmmmm, have to think about that.

 

[MarAzul]

people who use abortion as birth control. Hmmmmm, have to think about that.

I am all for letting Democrats abort abort abort. I don't need to judge them again either.

 

[MarAzul]

It's our tax money....spending it for public safety and health is a good investment...if those taxes aren't allocated to public health, environmental issues, etc....they're going to just put those taxes into more of an arms race and give it to the military anyway...choices.....I'm taxed every paycheck...I want it put to sensible use, not military escalation or walls on the border...I'm going to accept my social security check mailed to me by the govt ...I've earned it. Will those without heart strings refuse those social security checks and medicare benefits because they are socialistic in nature?

Nothing you said explains having the government destroy the health care insurance industry.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I am all for letting Democrats abort abort abort. I don't need to judge them again either.

Mean, my pothead dirty hippy dad is probably a Democrat.

 

[riverman]

having the government destroy the health care insurance industry.

I don't believe that's reality first of all....I think it's allocation of tax dollars....not destruction of public health care...face it Marz...you're not really interested in anything I have to say about nat'l healthcare anyway....I've discussed this at length...I actually work in health care for a quadriplegic....he deserves every benefit he gets. As I've said...if you ever face an airborne virus...you'll appreciate the general population having access to preventative measures. Even the poor ones...something like a SARS virus wakes up people with all these concerns for industry profits really fast

 

[MarAzul]

Mean, my pothead dirty hippy dad is probably a Democrat.

I guess you were lucky to get through the maze. But look on the bright side, your kids are more fortunate than you.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I guess you were lucky to get through the maze. But look on the bright side, your kids are more fortunate than you.

My kids were fortunate that I recognized many of the same character defects in myself that my father has. That's why I don't have any kids.

 

[MarAzul]

I did not say health care, I was speaking of health care insurance. And yes the government has done it in, intentionally.

 

[MarAzul]

My kids were fortunate that I recognized many of the same character defects in myself that my father has. That's why I don't have any kids.

Ah yes! I remember now. Well I hope the decision is the right one.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Ah yes! I remember now. Well I hope the decision is the right one.

Well, unless my fictional kid woulda just got drafted in a pro sport it's probably ok. If I somehow found out that in an alternate reality my kid would make me rich I'd be pissed.

OH, AND SORRY I MISSED OUT ON THE LOVE. DON'T FORGET THE LOVE.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Cippy91]

teenager or young college student who's been raped might not have a lot of luck shopping or much expendable income to choose coverage...."Hi! I'm pregnant and a victim of sexual assault....I'm in high school and if my parents find out they'll kick me out of the house....can I pay you later when I graduate and get a job?".....click....dial tone

I hope you know just how in the minority those cases are but I am ignored so you wont get this

 

[Cippy91]

In other words, treat abortion like any other medical procedure. Decision made by patient in consultation with doctor and any others patient may choose to involve, covered by insurance. Like appendectomy. Or prostate surgery. Insurers just love to separate women from "people". I've had insurance plans that covered every prescription except contraceptives, even when used for non-birth control reasons. Every surgery but abortion. Every condition but pregnancy. Vasectomy but not tubal ligation.

Thank you, Oregon, for considering women people. Maybe when I retire in a year or two I'll move north.

"Insurers just love to separate women from "people""

I never got the memo that women weren't people but I guess that's the assumption when you live life trying to be a victim

 

[Cippy91]

Unlike Nate, I don't consider any human being "pieces of shit". And unlike Nate, I recognize there are NO perfect humans. None. Everyone does risky things or things we should not. It's called being human. And anyone can have an accident. Obviously there are degrees. Shooting heroin or smoking cigarettes is more risky than going for a walk. But right now I have a painful swollen right knee that has knocked out my weekend plans and has me limping through the day taking painkillers because I went for my normal 2 mile after work walk, the toe of my sneaker stuck in a crack in the sidewalk and pitched me forward onto my right knee. Hard. On concrete. If I need medical care, which I might if it does not heal on its own, will Nate say I took a risk by walking on badly kept city sidewalks? Maybe if I looked where I was going I would not have fallen. Should I be denied treatment because I had my head in the clouds?

I mean, I make pretty decent choices in personal lifestyle but I have no choice about air quality or water quality and Trump is eliminating standards. Are people in Flint pieces of shit who took the risk of drinking water and got lead poisoning, or are they people who live in a non-affluent community that was low priority?

Years ago, my late cat Celia got her leg caught and went into total panic. I realized I needed both hands to free her so could not restrain her head, and the only neighbor in shouting distance was not home. So I used both hands and in her panic she repeatedly bit me. Not normal for her, she was normally a good cat but was just blindly panicked. By the time she was freed, which only took 2 or 3 minutes, her leg was covered with blood from my hands, her skin never broke. I cleaned as best I could but had punctures. I had to go to ER next day with incipient blood poisoning where one of her canines bit right into my finger joint. Cats carry two bacteria we do not and therefore have no immunity to. I waited hours because the fucking insurance company would not clear ER, saying a cat bite was not an emergency, until I grabbed a nurse, showed her my hand red and twice normal size, she started treatment and dealt with bureaucracy later. Because I would lose the finger if not treated. So was I a piece of shit taking a risk because I had a cat?

And sometimes women have unwanted pregnancies, either unplanned or planned ones that go wrong. Sometimes horribly wrong. No one has the right to make value judgments. Even though a lot of people, mostly males in power, think they do.

My point is life is risky and all of us take risks and no one is mistake free. If that is your criterion for who deserves health care we will all be dead.

I was so hooked on what you were saying until you began the cat story, fuck then i was lost...

cat lady, feminist.


YUUUUUP

 

[Cippy91]

I am sorry for my responses but it really just blows my mind there are women out there really trying to play victim saying men are the problem. This is the issue with feminism. These women hate men, they play victim and are single and bitter. It's the truth. You can't just walk around saying men are the issue. I ask this. What can a man go out and do right now that a woman can't? women have a lot of advantages over men in certain areas and vice versa. It's always gonna be like that. What happened was we reached equality a while ago and now it's a power grab for who can be the victim and it's mostly feminists who play this victim card and run with it. If you are for killing babies, hey that's your thing but how about don't be a fucking idiot, use condoms, form of birth control and there are steps people who are poor that can take to prevent these unwanted pregnancies too. It's not difficult. Take fucking responsibility.

 

[MarAzul]

OH, AND SORRY I MISSED OUT ON THE LOVE. DON'T FORGET THE LOVE.

Yeah, sorry about that. But I hate to tell you what you really missed. Being Grandpaw! Let me tell yah, Grand kid are a hoot, so much better than being the parent.
A hell of a lot easier too. I love it when the grand kids come to play with me.

 

[riverman]

I love it when the grand kids come to play with me.

and you can give them back when you're done! I love my grandkids.....now that my youngest child has married, I expect soon I'll have some in Eugene and won't have to go to Santa Barbara or San Diego to see them. That's when I'll start going to their high school games one day...my wife and I love it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yeah, sorry about that. But I hate to tell you what you really missed. Being Grandpaw! Let me tell yah, Grand kid are a hoot, so much better than being the parent.
A hell of a lot easier too. I love it when the grand kids come to play with me.

I miss my nieces something awful. I have 4 I barely get to see. The weather in Washington is just so terrible especially once you get used to the heat here.