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wizenheimer said:
just looked at 247

Alabama has 19 five-stars on their roster, and 57 four-stars; and 29 of those 4-stars have ratings about .9500 So then, they have 48 players with a rating above .9500

Oregon has five 5-stars and 12 players with a rating above .9500
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ALABAMA HAS STOLEN OUR RECRUITING SIGNALS!
 
Marang hasn't shown up to his radio show two days in a row after his USC Trojans losing to Oregon and is claiming it's because of a hamstring injury.

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Tince said:
Marang hasn't shown up to his radio show two days in a row after his USC Trojans losing to Oregon and is claiming it's because of a hamstring injury.

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Doesn’t make sense though. He wasn’t claiming that they would beat Oregon. I think he fully expected them to lose.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Doesn’t make sense though. He wasn’t claiming that they would beat Oregon. I think he fully expected them to lose.
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Not what he was saying in September. It was the classic "we shouldn't win" hedge.

What doesn't make sense is being too hurt to talk on a microphone.
 
Judge gives Oregon State, Washington State full control of Pac-12 and millions of dollars in assets

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A judge granted Oregon State and Washington State a preliminary injunction Tuesday in their legal battle with 10 departing Pac-12 schools, giving the Pacific Northwest rivals control of the conference and millions of dollars in assets.

With a significant legal hurdle cleared, Oregon State and Washington State could soon determine how they will go about keeping the Pac-12 alive and what schools they will be competing against next year.

“We look forward to charting a path forward for the Pac-12 that is in the best interest of the conference and student-athletes,” Oregon State President Jayathi Murthy and athletic director Scott Barnes said in a statement. "Our intentions are to make reasonable business decisions going forward while continuing to seek collaboration and consultation with the departing universities.”

At a hearing in Whitman County Superior Court, not far from Washington State's Pullman campus, Judge Gary Libey ruled Oregon State and Washington State should be the only members making decisions about Pac-12 business.

“Oregon State and Washington State will be the sole members of the board,” Libey said, ruling quickly after hearing arguments for about 2 1/2 hours.

Officials at Oregon State were quick to applaud the judge’s decision.

“I am absolutely thrilled that the court decided to rule that we are the only remaining members of the conference board,” said Oregon State University president Jayathi Murthy. “The ruling is entirely consistent with how the board has conducted itself over the last year.”

The outgoing Pac-12 schools said they will appeal the ruling.

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Phatguysrule said:
Judge gives Oregon State, Washington State full control of Pac-12 and millions of dollars in assets

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A judge granted Oregon State and Washington State a preliminary injunction Tuesday in their legal battle with 10 departing Pac-12 schools, giving the Pacific Northwest rivals control of the conference and millions of dollars in assets.

With a significant legal hurdle cleared, Oregon State and Washington State could soon determine how they will go about keeping the Pac-12 alive and what schools they will be competing against next year.

“We look forward to charting a path forward for the Pac-12 that is in the best interest of the conference and student-athletes,” Oregon State President Jayathi Murthy and athletic director Scott Barnes said in a statement. "Our intentions are to make reasonable business decisions going forward while continuing to seek collaboration and consultation with the departing universities.”

At a hearing in Whitman County Superior Court, not far from Washington State's Pullman campus, Judge Gary Libey ruled Oregon State and Washington State should be the only members making decisions about Pac-12 business.

“Oregon State and Washington State will be the sole members of the board,” Libey said, ruling quickly after hearing arguments for about 2 1/2 hours.

Officials at Oregon State were quick to applaud the judge’s decision.

“I am absolutely thrilled that the court decided to rule that we are the only remaining members of the conference board,” said Oregon State University president Jayathi Murthy. “The ruling is entirely consistent with how the board has conducted itself over the last year.”

The outgoing Pac-12 schools said they will appeal the ruling.

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Probably should stop calling it the PAC-12 if there’s only two voting members.
 
I'm not sure if all the OSU celebrations about this ruling are justified.

it was a forgone conclusion that the judge was going to rule this way. That judge is a WSU alum, a past president of the WSU booster club, and has season tickets to WSU games. There is actually a rule governing judges in Washington state courts saying the judge should recuse if there is "any basis for an appearance of bias". That's actually a rule in most courts. That rule would seem to apply. There is no doubt at all that WSU/OSU went venue shopping for the most favorable judge they could find

I'd imagine that will be part of the legal filing in the appeal that is going in front of the Washington Supreme Court

the judge was also pretty clear that while he was granting OSU/WSU control of the board of the PAC, he would intervene if that 2 school board took any action that treated the other 10 members "unfairly". And that would certainly apply of OSU/WSU tried to take an unequal share of revenue from the 2023-24 athletic year.

the other 10 schools have already legally conceded in filings that OSU/WSU are entitled to all PAC revenues going forward after next July. And also entitled to all PAC assets left after settling liabilities. OSU/WSU filed their lawsuit, they claimed, because they were concerned that the other 10 schools would vote to dissolve the conference after next July. The other 10 schools are fighting because that believe OSU/WSU will try and take an uneven share of the current years revenue

anybody who believe OSU wouldn't try to do that didn't pay attention to the actions of OSU in front of the emergency session of the Oregon legislature. Or the insane things OSU's president and AD said about it being Oregon that destroyed the Pac-12 and the state should make Oregon pay for the 40M hole in OSU's athletic budget while also considering if Oregon should be forced to pay OSU's athletic scholarship obligation for an undetermined number of years. like I said....insane. It was also an exercise in blatant hypocrisy because the discovery of that case in Washington revealed that OSU and WSU were applying for entry into the Big-12 and ACC months before the Colorado/UofO/UofW/Arizona/ASU/Utah were accepted into the Big-10/Big-12. And after all of OSU's talk about conference loyalty and partner integrity, they are engaged in trying to raid the Mountain West Conference effectively destroying another conference
 
The Pac 12 is made up of members in 6 states. A court in one state does not have jurisdiction over the schools in the other 5 states. OSU and WSU should make a fair proposal to the other schools about the money and assets and move on. If not each school in the other states can file their own lawsuit. This will drag on for years and eventually end up in federal court.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The Pac 12 is made up of members in 6 states. A court in one state does not have jurisdiction over the schools in the other 5 states. OSU and WSU should make a fair proposal to the other schools about the money and assets and move on. If not each school in the other states can file their own lawsuit. This will drag on for years and eventually end up in federal court.
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OSU/WSU are not interested in any equitable or fair distribution of the money:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/11...ting-schools-fear-punitive-action-by-wsu-osu/

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/11...e-of-the-conference-and-the-outbound-schools/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The Pac 12 is made up of members in 6 states. A court in one state does not have jurisdiction over the schools in the other 5 states. OSU and WSU should make a fair proposal to the other schools about the money and assets and move on. If not each school in the other states can file their own lawsuit. This will drag on for years and eventually end up in federal court.
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Our court system is a total joke when these schools can go shopping for a judge who is clearly biased.
 
HailBlazers said:
Nor should they be fighting for survival.
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"survival" is kind of a weird label in this case. Colorado State, San Diego State, Boise State...they are all surviving. So are Central Florida, Tulane, Memphis.

OSU spent decades sitting at the big boys table but did next to nothing to earn the chair. Riding in the luxury car without paying for gas

They ridiculed Oregon when the Ducks were working hard to build their brand; dismissed the Duck uniforms as style over substance. Patted themselves on the back for being the 'lunch pail' program and doing things the 'right way' while Oregon was all flash. They've convinced themselves that it was all Phil Knight responsible for Oregon success. But the reality is that the very first tangible thing Phil Knight did was build the practice facility, the Moshovsky Center, and it wasn't completed until 1998. In the 10 years before that, Oregon had been to 7 bowl games including the Rose Bowl and Cotton Bowl. In the same 10 year period, OSU was 23-83 and capping off 31 straight seasons of losing records

I'm not buying this OSU-as-victim narrative. They victimized themselves.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Our court system is a total joke when these schools can go shopping for a judge who is clearly biased.
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I've had multiple attorney friends (on differing sides and specialties) and one judge say something along the lines that the modern judicial system would never be agreed to by people if they didn't know what side of it they would end up on. That right there tells me all I need to know.
 
Tince said:
I've had multiple attorney friends (on differing sides and specialties) and one judge say something along the lines that the modern judicial system would never be agreed to by people if they didn't know what side of it they would end up on. That right there tells me all I need to know.
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I have seen first hand how it can fuck someone over. Best advice I can give anyone is to never find yourself on the wrong side of the law. Luckily my friend was able to come out the other side relatively unscathed. But the truth of our system is that guilt and innocence does not matter. All that matters is what can be proven. Our legal system doesn’t care if you’re innocent. They will fuck you over as hard as they can if they think they can get away with it.
 
HailBlazers said:
Nor should they be fighting for survival.
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It's a bad situation. Sub-optimal for all parties involved, with OSU/WSU getting the worst end of the deal.

If they do go nucular, this will get tied up in court for many years, and I'm not sure those two schools have the resources to last that long.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have seen first hand how it can fuck someone over. Best advice I can give anyone is to never find yourself on the wrong side of the law. Luckily my friend was able to come out the other side relatively unscathed. But the truth of our system is that guilt and innocence does not matter. All that matters is what can be proven. Our legal system doesn’t care if you’re innocent. They will fuck you over as hard as they can if they think they can get away with it.
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Ditto. I've seen two different, yet easily as crazy situations play out as well.

The system is setup where people are promoted based off wins/losses, not producing the correct verdict and handing out a meaningful punishment. Prosecutors with the most wins become DA's, DA's who get the longest convictions typically become judges, etc etc.

This WSU judge knows where his bread is buttered. UW will probably get a favorable ruling at the next level. In the end, it will take way too long, with lawyers making way too much money. The fair settlement to all this seems so simple:
  1. All 23-24 revenues should be distributed equally 12 ways because those parties fulfilled their contracts and the GOR has no breakup clause.
  2. All liabilities should be disributed equally 12 ways. (example: Comcast overpayments)
  3. OSU/WSU get all the remaining assets starting the fall of 2024 and they can do whatever they want with them.
Simple
 
Tince said:
The fair settlement to all this seems so simple:
  1. All 23-24 revenues should be distributed equally 12 ways because those parties fulfilled their contracts and the GOR has no breakup clause.
  2. All liabilities should be disributed equally 12 ways. (example: Comcast overpayments)
  3. OSU/WSU get all the remaining assets starting the fall of 2024 and they can do whatever they want with them.
Simple
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the departing Pac-10 put that offer on the table 2-3 months ago and OSU/WSU have repeatedly refused that offer and any tinkering around the edges of that offer. Their counter-offer (according to Jon Wilner) has been that each of the 10 schools give up at least 10 million or more from their share of the 2023-24 revenue; and the 10 schools must cover the cost of all liabilities. In other words, OSU/WSU get to split at least 100M. But it's also clear they are dreaming about taking all the current season's revenue

that big of a number is plenty of incentive for the Pac-10 to fight, and generates a willingness to make the fight an extended one.

reading the tea leaves, and it doesn't take an expert since OSU/WSU have actually spoken about it: they are imagining using that windfall as the leverage to re-format the PAC by using the money to help cover the MWC teams' exit fees from their GOR with Fox/CBS. IIRC, those are 16-18M next season, and around 10M in 2025-26. The Pac-2 desperately want to remain the PAC with them as the two premier partners (perhaps with an uneven share of media revenue); they don't want to join the MWC.
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I think OSU/WSU have used a risk/reward scale and have decided that the chance at a large reward outweighs the risk. Maybe they are right. They now have that ruling by the judge, although it is rather limited in scope. The appearance of judicial bias is real and substantive which is almost certainly the reason why the judge made clear he would not let the Pac-10 be treated "unfairly" in favor of the Pac-2. But right now, it's the initial call on the field. The appeal is to the Washington Supreme Court, but they don't have to accept the appeal. They could dismiss it or more likely refer the appeal to the state appellate court in Spokane. Or they might hear it.

whatever the immediate actions are, I think it's pretty clear that if the Pac-2 call a board meeting and vote to take any actions that 'harms' the Pac-10 there will be an immediate lawsuit filed. And that lawsuit could be in California state court (where the PAC headquarters and facilities are), or even in Federal court. And the worst thing that could happen to the Pac-2 is this ending up in Federal court

you're right that there seems to be fertile ground for a fair and just compromise and settlement. I don't think the Pac-2 is interested
 
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I'm guessing OSU and WSU will have to pay schools to play home games this next season. I don't think WSU can afford that without some of that Pac-12 cheddar.
 
wizenheimer said:
the departing Pac-10 put that offer on the table 2-3 months ago and OSU/WSU have repeatedly refused that offer and any tinkering around the edges of that offer. Their counter-offer (according to Jon Wilner) has been that each of the 10 schools give up at least 10 million or more from their share of the 2023-24 revenue; and the 10 schools must cover the cost of all liabilities. In other words, OSU/WSU get to split at least 100M. But it's also clear they are dreaming about taking all the current season's revenue

that big of a number is plenty of incentive for the Pac-10 to fight, and generates a willingness to make the fight an extended one.

reading the tea leaves, and it doesn't take an expert since OSU/WSU have actually spoken about it: they are imagining using that windfall as the leverage to re-format the PAC by using the money to help cover the MWC teams' exit fees from their GOR with ESPN. IIRC, those are 16-18M next season, and around 10M in 2025-26. The Pac-2 desperately want to remain the PAC with them as the two premier partners (perhaps with an uneven share of media revenue); they don't want to join the MWC.
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I think OSU/WSU have used a risk/reward scale and have decided that the chance at a large reward outweighs the risk. Maybe they are right. They now have that ruling by the judge, although it is rather limited in scope. The appearance of judicial bias is real and substantive which is almost certainly the reason why the judge made clear he would not let the Pac-10 be treated "unfairly" in favor of the Pac-2. But right now, it's the initial call on the field. The appeal is to the Washington Supreme Court, but they don't have to accept the appeal. They could dismiss it or more likely refer the appeal to the state appellate court in Spokane. Or they might hear it.

whatever the immediate actions are, I think it's pretty clear that if the Pac-2 call a board meeting and vote to take any actions that 'harms' the Pac-10 there will be an immediate lawsuit filed. And that lawsuit could be in California state court (where the PAC headquarters and facilities are), or even in Federal court. And the worst thing that could happen to the Pac-2 is this ending up in Federal court

you're right that there seems to be fertile ground for a fair and just compromise and settlement. I don't think the Pac-2 is interested
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Agreed. Picking a rural Washington county judge was intentional by the Pac2, but won't hold up.

The lawyers are going to win in this silly fight, once again.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I'm guessing OSU and WSU will have to pay schools to play home games this next season. I don't think WSU can afford that without some of that Pac-12 cheddar.
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They could join another conference and eliminate the need to pay schools for 7 home games.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
At this late date?
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Yes. I'd say it would be easier to join the Mountain West at this late of a date than it would be to independently schedule a bunch of non-conference games in Oct/Nov.

And certainly there has been an agreement between WSU/OSU and the MWC for months now, but the Pac2 is trying to get as many resources as possible before announcing. If they announced two months ago, they would have done the same thing the other 10 schools did, which would have all but eliminated their court case.
 
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