Oregon Ducks 2026 (1 Viewer)

[wizenheimer]

Think you are getting it wrong certainly with my assessment. It's widely accepted Oregon is paying quite a bit for players. Just simply look at the roster and the prospects they are signing. Now all the sudden you accept top 10? But can't fathom top 5? C'mon dude.

you said 40M. I dispute that and I disputed the assertion that Oregon had the 2nd highest NIL in FBS. Just because media says something, doesn't make it accurate. Canzano is media; Fentress is media

I've never disputed that Oregon has a robust NIL collective. The Ducks were in on NIL earlier than almost any other team. They were more organized and efficient and that carried them thru the first couple of seasons of NIL and the portal

but other teams have caught up and passed. Texas A&M went bat-shit with NIL for a couple of seasons. Texas outspends Oregon; Ohio St, outspends Oregon; Miami has been outspending Oregon but their biggest donor is facing some legal and financial jeopardy. Texas Tech outspent Oregon, by a lot, in the portal, last cycle and their biggest donor, Cody Campbell has doubled down on NIL this cycle; he's even said himself that he's doubling down. LSU outspends Oregon. USC has been outspending everybody this year. Mark Cuban has become deeply invested in Indiana's NIL program(s). Michigan has a big NIL budget, so does Georgia; so does Alabama, so does Notre Dame

the last number I heard, which may or not be more accurate than all the media speculation, was that Oregon paid around 23M in the 2024 cycle; for HS and portal. But Oregon's NIL budget has limits. They paid a pretty hefty price to get the starting DLine returning next season, plus Laloulu, plus Dante, plus Raiola (which was a done deal for a while). That left them with enough limitations that they have had 28 players transferring out in the portal. That's a quarter of their scholarship roster. They wouldn't have had that attrition if they actually had 40M to spend. Obviously, there's some processing at work there, but the staff didn't want a lot of those players to leave; they just didn't have the money to keep them

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I agree with your post.
BUT... its a bit hypocritical to dispute the NIL $ numbers and then claim to know that Oregon isn't spending as much as all the schools you listed. I thought you said none of that is public, it's not official?

 

[kjironman1]

I'm just hoping Jody Allen doesn't come in and make Phil Knight stop spending money like she did with her brother.

Can she buy the Ducks?

 

[kjironman1]

you said 40M. I dispute that and I disputed the assertion that Oregon had the 2nd highest NIL in FBS. Just because media says something, doesn't make it accurate. Canzano is media; Fentress is media

I've never disputed that Oregon has a robust NIL collective. The Ducks were in on NIL earlier than almost any other team. They were more organized and efficient and that carried them thru the first couple of seasons of NIL and the portal

but other teams have caught up and passed. Texas A&M went bat-shit with NIL for a couple of seasons. Texas outspends Oregon; Ohio St, outspends Oregon; Miami has been outspending Oregon but their biggest donor is facing some legal and financial jeopardy. Texas Tech outspent Oregon, by a lot, in the portal, last cycle and their biggest donor, Cody Campbell has doubled down on NIL this cycle; he's even said himself that he's doubling down. LSU outspends Oregon. USC has been outspending everybody this year. Mark Cuban has become deeply invested in Indiana's NIL program(s). Michigan has a big NIL budget, so does Georgia; so does Alabama, so does Notre Dame

the last number I heard, which may or not be more accurate than all the media speculation, was that Oregon paid around 23M in the 2024 cycle; for HS and portal. But Oregon's NIL budget has limits. They paid a pretty hefty price to get the starting DLine returning next season, plus Laloulu, plus Dante, plus Raiola (which was a done deal for a while). That left them with enough limitations that they have had 28 players transferring out in the portal. That's a quarter of their scholarship roster. They wouldn't have had that attrition if they actually had 40M to spend. Obviously, there's some processing at work there, but the staff didn't want a lot of those players to leave; they just didn't have the money to keep them

First off I said 30-40 million so don’t get it twisted.
Next while 2nd most has been brought up the point has and still is top 5.

Now a question. You just said nobody knows what is spent but you then follow that with multiple teams that spent more?
Think about that for a minute.

Anyway I am in no way an expert on this subject and wish the Ducks the best and am happy they are in the mix. Just wonder why most every national analyst is saying something different than you but you still double down and go deeper into this conversation.
They been spending money. A lot of it. I would bet much more than 23 million. That would put them quite a ways down the list of teams spending on Players.

 

[wizenheimer]

First off I said 30-40 million so don’t get it twisted.
Next while 2nd most has been brought up the point has and still is top 5.

Now a question. You just said nobody knows what is spent but you then follow that with multiple teams that spent more?
Think about that for a minute.

Anyway I am in no way an expert on this subject and wish the Ducks the best and am happy they are in the mix. Just wonder why most every national analyst is saying something different than you but you still double down and go deeper into this conversation.
They been spending money. A lot of it. I would bet much more than 23 million. That would put them quite a ways down the list of teams spending on Players.

I have thought about it

what I'm doing is speculating with as much information as you and bob are. I'm just not taking it as far

 

[Hoopguru]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://nil-ncaa.com/&ved=2ahUKEwik186ynJGSAxUxyOYEHVzKO6MQFnoECCoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ki38TtLWt4AZIeu8Zuaw1

 

[Pinwheel1]

Just wonder why most every national analyst is saying something different than you but you still double down and go deeper into this conversation.
They been spending money. A lot of it. I would bet much more than 23 million. That would put them quite a ways down the list of teams spending on Players.

Talking heads do not do research; they repeat what one person says as if it were gospel. I mean, look at who most of these talking heads are?
Ex-players who have a rooting interest in their alma mater.

Just take the bullshit that was being spewed out about before and during the Oregon-Texas Tech game. "New money vs Newer money." These guys love the narrative that certain teams are doing well because of money, to justify why their teams are not. I get it, we did the same when we lost to Auburn in the championship game.

But they do not know more about any team than the actual fans of those teams. And in this case, we do not know how much Oregon spends, and neither do they.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://nil-ncaa.com/&ved=2ahUKEwik186ynJGSAxUxyOYEHVzKO6MQFnoECCoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ki38TtLWt4AZIeu8Zuaw1

Our estimated roster costs include only third-party NIL that is included the athlete’s compensation package as committed to by the school. A school’s offer to a player typically includes both revenue sharing and third-party NIL components. Additional third-party compensation received by an athlete beyond what the school has guaranteed is not included as a roster cost. This is one reason why our estimates are lower than some published estimates of football teams with “payrolls” supposedly exceeding $ 40 million.

 

[kjironman1]

Talking heads do not do research; they repeat what one person says as if it were gospel. I mean, look at who most of these talking heads are?
Ex-players who have a rooting interest in their alma mater.

Just take the bullshit that was being spewed out about before and during the Oregon-Texas Tech game. "New money vs Newer money." These guys love the narrative that certain teams are doing well because of money, to justify why their teams are not. I get it, we did the same when we lost to Auburn in the championship game.

But they do not know more about any team than the actual fans of those teams. And in this case, we do not know how much Oregon spends, and neither do they.

Still just looking at who they have picked up over the last couple years you know they are spending money.
As I pointed out it doesn’t take much work to do the simple math of what teams offered players the Ducks signed. You put those numbers together and you get a pretty good idea of what they spent.

 

[kjironman1]

I have thought about it

what I'm doing is speculating with as much information as you and bob are. I'm just not taking it as far

No what you are doing is trying to make a case that the ducks aren’t spending money at a rate that would put them in the top five of the country. Even though multiple analysts and people who are paid to look at these things are saying they if fact are.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Fwiw Rich Eisen said Dante Moore is getting 7.5 million to stay.

If that is the case he made the right decision.

 

[STOMP]

Think you are getting it wrong certainly with my assessment. It's widely accepted Oregon is paying quite a bit for players. Just simply look at the roster and the prospects they are signing. Now all the sudden you accept top 10? But can't fathom top 5? C'mon dude.
It's not about what is disclosed. It's about what every other team offered and was turned down for. That alone speaks to the amounts that are paid. Be;lieve me they ain't coming to Oregon for "Destination". That's just not the case man.

Really? People don't like temperate weather, mountains, the ocean, & all the other wonderful things this region has to offer? If I was offered 250K to do my job in Eugene (or Corvallis), I'm not sure how many times that I'd have to be offered to do the same job in LA, or Happy Valley or anywhere in the SE. Do you think people actually enjoy giant bugs and humidity? If the $$$ is in the same general ballpark, it's not close as to where I'd rather live my life & I don't find it at all surprising that the Ducks have taken another step forward once the financial playing field was more or less leveled. I'd definitely point to quality of life as a major reason why. Eugene (& the NW) isn't for everyone, but a good percentage of people love it.

Now stack on top that the UO has a young dynamic coaching staff, absolutely top shelf facilities and that young players around the country have grown up rooting for them. Dude, you are just amazingly off base with your assessment of whats what.

STOMP

 

[kjironman1]

Really? People don't like temperate weather, mountains, the ocean, & all the other wonderful things this region has to offer? If I was offered 250K to do my job in Eugene (or Corvallis), I'm not sure how many times that I'd have to be offered to do the same job in LA, or Happy Valley or anywhere in the SE. Do you think people actually enjoy giant bugs and humidity? If the $$$ is in the same general ballpark, it's not close as to where I'd rather live my life & I don't find it at all surprising that the Ducks have taken another step forward once the financial playing field was more or less leveled. I'd definitely point to quality of life as a major reason why. Eugene (& the NW) isn't for everyone, but a good percentage of people love it.

Now stack on top that the UO has a young dynamic coaching staff, absolutely top shelf facilities and that young players around the country have grown up rooting for them. Dude, you are just amazingly off base with your assessment of whats what.

STOMP

I’m not off base. I’ll give you they have good facilities and the practice facility we are building right now will make it even better. I’ll also give you they have a great coach and probably a great staff that will continue to grow. However there are many good coaches that have great staffs.
I won’t for a second buy that players are going to choose Oregon over a bunch of other places for the same money.
You might and I certainly would and do but not a 18 year old kid. Nope. They might like all the flashy uniforms but still this is Oregon we are talking about. It’s your homerism that has you delusional and off base here. And Don’t DUDE me over a stupid conversation that I’ve already provided plenty of information to substantiate my position.
You have not earned that right.
You don’t think they are spending money I’m good with that as obvious as it is they are I can let that fly. Trying to say for a second I’m off base because you like the weather is another level of off base.

 

[STOMP]

I’m not off base. I’ll give you they have good facilities and the practice facility we are building right now will make it even better. I’ll also give you they have a great coach and probably a great staff that will continue to grow. However there are many good coaches that have great staffs.
I won’t for a second buy that players are going to choose Oregon over a bunch of other places for the same money.
You might and I certainly would and do but not a 18 year old kid. Nope. They might like all the flashy uniforms but still this is Oregon we are talking about. It’s your homerism that has you delusional and off base here. And Don’t DUDE me over a stupid conversation that I’ve already provided plenty of information to substantiate my position.
You have not earned that right.
You don’t think they are spending money I’m good with that as obvious as it is they are I can let that fly. Trying to say for a second I’m off base because you like the weather is another level of off base.

Delusional! Homer! I have not earned the right??? Good grief DUDE, get a grip you're being fucking ridiculous. Your reading comprehension sucks as bad as your takes on whats driving the program, but whatever, not my problem

STOMP

 

[kjironman1]

Delusional! Homer! I have not earned the right??? Good grief dude, get a grip you're being fucking ridiculous. Your reading comprehension sucks as bad as your takes on whats driving the program, but whatever, not my problem

STOMP

Not sure where the reading comprehension statement came from? I addressed pretty much every aspect of your response. Right down to temperate weather. Guess I didn’t say bugs. Yes Oregon is nice. Lived here most of my life.
My point stands. Kids ain’t choosing Oregon because of the weather, mountains or lack of bugs and humidity. They are coming for money.

 

[wizenheimer]

No what you are doing is trying to make a case that the ducks aren’t spending money at a rate that would put them in the top five of the country. Even though multiple analysts and people who are paid to look at these things are saying they if fact are.

LOL....geeeezuzz man....

you keep using the word "fact"....I don't think that word means what you think it means

and LOL pt 2...."people who are paid to look at these things"....try not to clown so hard....Canzano is paid to "look at things" and he's pretty consistently wrong

 

[kjironman1]

LOL....geeeezuzz man....

you keep using the word "fact"....I don't think that word means what you think it means

and LOL pt 2...."people who are paid to look at these things"....try not to clown so hard....Canzano is paid to "look at things" and he's pretty consistently wrong

It’s a fact that people paid to look at these things are disagreeing with you. It means exactly what I think it means.
By the way. I don’t like Canzano much but he does his research so try not to step too far ahead of him.

 

[kjironman1]

This is truly funny. Two of the biggest Duck homers on the forum are sitting here arguing that the Ducks don’t spend money on players when everyone knows they do?
This is pure comedy.

 

[wizenheimer]

This is truly funny. Two of the biggest Duck homers on the forum are sitting here arguing that the Ducks don’t spend money on players when everyone knows they do?
This is pure comedy.

quit lying

neither one of has said what you just claimed we said

 

[MickZagger]

This is truly funny. Two of the biggest Duck homers on the forum are sitting here arguing that the Ducks don’t spend money on players when everyone knows they do?
This is pure comedy.

How about both? Oregon has money to spend and it’s an attractive place. Oregon has made itself into one of the biggest brands in college football BEFORE the NIL. The shiny uniforms, the electric offense, the Nike affiliation…

They’re now putting players into the NFL at an amazing clip and have a good bag to afford players in today’s landscape.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How about both? Oregon has money to spend and it’s an attractive place. Oregon has made itself into one of the biggest brands in college football BEFORE the NIL. The shiny uniforms, the electric offense, the Nike affiliation…

They’re now putting players into the NFL at an amazing clip and have a good bag to afford players in today’s landscape.

This!

 

[STOMP]

This is truly funny. Two of the biggest Duck homers on the forum are sitting here arguing that the Ducks don’t spend money on players when everyone knows they do?
This is pure comedy.

Your reading comprehension truly sucks. No where have I claimed that Oregon doesn't spend money on players, in fact I've said just the opposite and yet I'm getting a slew of insults from you. WTF is wrong with you?

STOMP

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is truly funny. Two of the biggest Duck homers on the forum are sitting here arguing that the Ducks don’t spend money on players when everyone knows they do?
This is pure comedy.

I said the players pay Oregon to play for the Ducks.

#PayToPlay

 

[STOMP]

How about both? Oregon has money to spend and it’s an attractive place. Oregon has made itself into one of the biggest brands in college football BEFORE the NIL. The shiny uniforms, the electric offense, the Nike affiliation…

They’re now putting players into the NFL at an amazing clip and have a good bag to afford players in today’s landscape.

Exactly. I've been lead to believe by program insider types that they're spending below the level of the biggest spenders like Texas and tOSU but that they're on the next tier. We don't know exactly how much anyone is spending (especially private schools like ND & USC), but there is little doubt that UO is spending at a level that allows them to be competitive with their financial offers. Add that on top of all the other attractive things they've got going for them and here we are, a powerhouse. When SEC programs were handing out bags of cash and others weren't, they had a decided advantage. Now top players can get paid substantial money at programs across the country and that advantage is gone & players are selecting schools for reasons other then just money.

Dillon Thieneman publicly claimed he turned down much bigger NIL offers to sign with Oregon. I can point to recruiting examples with top guys they invested a ton of time with (Jahkeem Stewart, Jackson Cantwell, Richard Wesley) where all the reporting speaks to other programs coming way over the top of Oregon and everyone else with their NIL offer. That doesn't mean that UO didn't make a substantial offer to those players, more that it doesn't seem like they've an unlimited warchest of cash that they're outspending everyone with to get top players to endure coming to Eugene.

STOMP

 

[THE HCP]

How about both? Oregon has money to spend and it’s an attractive place. Oregon has made itself into one of the biggest brands in college football BEFORE the NIL. The shiny uniforms, the electric offense, the Nike affiliation…

They’re now putting players into the NFL at an amazing clip and have a good bag to afford players in today’s landscape.

FAMS! I was on the street the other day and word was it was your birthday!

 

[kjironman1]

How about both? Oregon has money to spend and it’s an attractive place. Oregon has made itself into one of the biggest brands in college football BEFORE the NIL. The shiny uniforms, the electric offense, the Nike affiliation…

They’re now putting players into the NFL at an amazing clip and have a good bag to afford players in today’s landscape.

That’s pretty much the point. I said in an earlier post that I’m glad they are spending money and happy they are successful.

 

[kjironman1]

Your reading comprehension truly sucks. No where have I claimed that Oregon doesn't spend money on players, in fact I've said just the opposite and yet I'm getting a slew of insults from you. WTF is wrong with you?

STOMP

Excuse me? Other than calling you a homer which you obviously are show me the “Slew” of insults.
Your posts are great. Your information on this thread is unmatched. I just find it very tough to understand why you even entered this conversation knowing the kind of money being spent.

 

[tlongII]

Excuse me? Other than calling you a homer which you obviously are show me the “Slew” of insults.
Your posts are great. Your information on this thread is unmatched. I just find it very tough to understand why you even entered this conversation knowing the kind of money being spent.

Exactly. I could do a much better job of insulting @STOMP !

 

[wizenheimer]

Exactly. I've been lead to believe by program insider types that they're spending below the level of the biggest spenders like Texas and tOSU but that they're on the next tier. We don't know exactly how much anyone is spending (especially private schools like ND & USC), but there is little doubt that UO is spending at a level that allows them to be competitive with their financial offers. Add that on top of all the other attractive things they've got going for them and here we are, a powerhouse. When SEC programs were handing out bags of cash and others weren't, they had a decided advantage. Now top players can get paid substantial money at programs across the country and that advantage is gone & players are selecting schools for reasons other then just money.

Dillon Thieneman publicly claimed he turned down much bigger NIL offers to sign with Oregon. I can point to recruiting examples with top guys they invested a ton of time with (Jahkeem Stewart, Jackson Cantwell, Richard Wesley) where all the reporting speaks to other programs coming way over the top of Oregon and everyone else with their NIL offer. That doesn't mean that UO didn't make a substantial offer to those players, more that it doesn't seem like they've an unlimited warchest of cash that they're outspending everyone with to get top players to endure coming to Eugene.

STOMP

that's what I've been told as well, and I've been told that by somebody who tends to have good inside information. The same person told be about 2-3 days before t became public that Haloti Ngata was going to sign with the Ducks; that Bellotti was going to step down and Chip was going to become the coach; That Altman was going to be named BB coach; that Helfrich had done a pivot and offered a scholarship to a local HS QB named Justin Herbert; that there was no chance Knight would agree to Lane Kiffin or Justin Wilcox as HC. Now, to be fair, he also told me that Jamal Murray was going to sign with Oregon so he's not always right

I'll repeat what I was told about Phil Knight: he's 'traditional' and was initially uncomfortable with NIL and the transfer portal. He prefers investing in facilities rather than being held hostage every cycle by NIL demands. He does inject a lot of NIL dollars but not as much as many assume. And he wants some of his dollars channeled to other sports like T&F and softball. Rumor is he does not like the one-and-done rule for basketball and is reluctant to be involved

the bottom line I heard is the same as yours: that being that Oregon is rarely, if ever, in the top-5 of NIL. There are perpetual big spenders like OSU, Texas, LSU, Notre Dame; sometimes Michigan. And there are teams that will jump ahead of just about everybody because of sudden infusions. Texas A&M did that for a couple of seasons; Miami has jumped up the last 2 or 3 seasons; Texas Tech went crazy last season in building their front-7 and is reportedly going all-in again this cycle. USC has really increased their NIL this cycle. And Mark Cuban is getting heavily involved in Indiana

I'm not sure how sustainable Oregon's NIL spending will be. Knight is 87 and Oregon simply doesn't have a wealthy donor base like OSU or USC or Texas. Just about every time the NCAA puts restrictions on either NIL or the portal it gets shot down in the courts. Maybethe Conferences will have better luck. But without an ant-trust exemption and a CBA it's going to be next to impossible to contain this new landscape