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Chris Craig said:
I'd like Oregon to remain a blue state
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First...I don't see how this measure would impact that.

Second...if giving voters more choices reduces democrats' hold on the state government offices, wouldn't that tell you something?
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm not so sure about that. Wouldn't it only allow Republicans to get more votes if they have policies that appeal to Democrats?
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Democrats would get their usual votes. Republicans would get theirs. Then third party votes will go to the Republicans if I'm reading correctly how ranked choice will work.

In ranked choice the candidate with the least votes is eliminated and those votes get added to the next person above them. The lowest voting getting candidate is eliminated and repeat till there is a winner. This would give a chance for Republicans to win more races in Oregon.

In races where it's just a Dem vs a Republican it doesn't matter much.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
First...I don't see how this measure would impact that.

Second...if giving voters more choices reduces democrats' hold on the state government offices, wouldn't that tell you something?
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Because in ranked voting the candidate with the least votes is eliminated and their votes go to the next person above them. Votes are added. Next least voting getting candidate is eliminated.

In two person race it doesn't matter. In a three or more person race it will. Those votes will likely go to Republicans who will be behind in votes and give them more chances to win.

Yeah, it tells me it would give Republicans a chance to take control and once they do, they will not relinquish it. No offense, but I want Oregon to stay a blue state. So, it's a no from me.
 
Chris Craig said:
Because in ranked voting the candidate with the least votes is eliminated and their votes go to the next person above them. Votes are added. Next least voting getting candidate is eliminated.

In two person race it doesn't matter. In a three or more person race it will. Those votes will likely go to Republicans who will be behind in votes and give them more chances to win.

Yeah, it tells me it would give Republicans a chance to take control and once they do, they will not relinquish it. No offense, but I want Oregon to stay a blue state. So, it's a no from me.
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If the majority of oregon voters don't like the republican candidate, those votes wouldn't be likely to go to the republican candidate. If there are 3 candidates, and the Democrat gets 40% of the vote and the Republican gets 35%, the only way the Republican would surpass the Democrat is if a majority of voters specifically ranked the Republican ahead of the Democrat. If that happens, then it's a problem with the candidate, not the voting method.
 
Chris Craig said:
Democrats would get their usual votes. Republicans would get theirs. Then third party votes will go to the Republicans if I'm reading correctly how ranked choice will work.

In ranked choice the candidate with the least votes is eliminated and those votes get added to the next person above them. The lowest voting getting candidate is eliminated and repeat till there is a winner. This would give a chance for Republicans to win more races in Oregon.

In races where it's just a Dem vs a Republican it doesn't matter much.
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I don't think that's correct. The last place person gets dropped off and the people who voted for them have their votes reallocated to their second choice.

If the last place person is a dem then their second choice will probably be a Dem as well.

I don't see how this would help the Republicans at all. I think it would make both parties have to care more about what the people actually want.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't think that's correct. The last place person gets dropped off and the people who voted for them have their votes reallocated to their second choice.

If the last place person is a dem then their second choice will probably be a Dem as well.

I don't see how this would help the Republicans at all. I think it would make both parties have to care more about what the people actually want.
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Precisely. The biggest impact this will have is on minor-party candidates. This will give voters the ability to vote for the candidate that actually best aligns with their view without having to worry about "throwing away their vote", because they can still be assured that their vote can fall to the major party "lesser of two evils" if they person they actually like doesn't get enough support.

The biggest drawback, honestly, is that it's only applicable to statewide races, and not to the local ones as well. Should be able to use RCV for state legislature elections as well.
 
Have you guys seen the Don't Rank Rene signs around town?

https://www.dontrankrene.org/

I think Rene Gonzalez is an idiot. This is the first Portland election with ranked choice, it was my dislike of Gonzalez is why a ranked Liv Osthus first. I know she won't win, but I'm hoping she ranks higher than Rene when the votes are counted.
 
Just caught a Q&A with one of the candidates for treasurer. It probably isn't surprising which one. They got my vote.
 
Virginia Nonprofit Gives Largest Oregon Campaign Contribution of 2024
Article IV donated $2.25 million to support ranked-choice voting. The Yes on 117 campaign has now brought in nearly $7.5 million.

The campaign seeking to change the way Oregon votes continues to attract big money, recording two contributions totaling more than $3 million in the past week.

The Yes on 117 campaign wants to replace the current first-past-the-post way of voting with ranked choice, in which voters rank their candidates in order of preference. If no candidate gets a majority on the first tally, the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated and their votes are redistributed to the next highest choice. That process is then repeated until a candidate gets a majority. The measure applies to federal and statewide races and would go into effect in 2028 if it passes.

The bigger of the two new contributions to Yes on 117—$2.25 million from Article IV, an Arlington, Va., 501(c)(4) nonprofit—has eclipsed Nike co-founder Phil Knight’s check to a GOP legislative PAC earlier this year as the biggest single donation in Oregon politics in 2024.

The executive director of Article IV, Tripp Wellde, explained his group’s contribution to WW in a statement.

“Article IV is an organization focused on providing support and resources to ranked choice voting campaigns across the country,” Wellde said. “We’ve been impressed with the groundswell of support for change in Oregon and seeing the campaign in action as they hit important milestones like garnering the endorsement of over 100 state and local organizations supporting the campaign. We believe politics in Oregon—and across the country—are at an inflection point and we’re proud to support a campaign that gives Oregonians better representation through ranked choice voting.”

Oregon Ranked Choice Voting, a Corvallis non-profit which raises most of its money from out-of-state non-profits, also contributed another $992,000 this week, bringing that group’s total for the campaign to $4.74 million and the campaign’s total raised to nearly $7.4 million.


Related: Cash Pours In to the Campaign to Take Ranked-Choice Voting Statewide

The only political action committee that opposes the measure, Concerned Election Officials, has raised $1,080, which it spent on getting a statement into the voter’s pamphlet. (WW has endorsed a no vote on Measure 117.)

Rochelle Long, the elected Klamath County Clerk and the president of the Oregon Association of County Clerks, says voters should be wary.

“The influx of out-of-state money is very disheartening to watch. We are already dealing with lack of trust and transparency, so having 501c4 non-profit organizations fund millions to the way we vote in Oregon only heightens and adds to this distrust,” Long says. “I question why these non-profit organizations care what form of voting we use in Oregon. Wouldn’t their money be better utilized for other non-partisan purposes rather than trying to promote election reform?”

Ballots must be returned or mailed by Nov. 5.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2024/10/...largest-oregon-campaign-contribution-of-2024/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Virginia Nonprofit Gives Largest Oregon Campaign Contribution of 2024
Article IV donated $2.25 million to support ranked-choice voting. The Yes on 117 campaign has now brought in nearly $7.5 million.


“The influx of out-of-state money is very disheartening to watch. We are already dealing with lack of trust and transparency, so having 501c4 non-profit organizations fund millions to the way we vote in Oregon only heightens and adds to this distrust,” Long says. “I question why these non-profit organizations care what form of voting we use in Oregon. Wouldn’t their money be better utilized for other non-partisan purposes rather than trying to promote election reform?”

Ballots must be returned or mailed by Nov. 5.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2024/10/...largest-oregon-campaign-contribution-of-2024/
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This comes off as pretty disingenuous to me. Oregon is one of the few states who can get things like this on the ballot. Ranked choice voting is far superior than first past the post.

Expanding that as much as possible is considered by many to be beneficial to all of us who want politicians to do what the people actually want.

Of course there are other versions but the idea being that just getting people used to the idea and seeing the results should help with the conversation of how to improve our overall system.

So groups of people who believe that would probably want to invest their money here in Oregon to further that goal.

I would expect the president of the association of county clerks to understand this... And if you want to make an argument against that, fine. But that statement just comes off as politically motivated.
 
If ranked-choice voting passes I think Oregon, at least for the next Presidential election, will be viewed as a Swing State. I can see that being considered both good and bad. It would nice to have the presidential candidates come here and kiss our asses but if you think all the election TV ads are bad now...
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If ranked-choice voting passes I think Oregon, at least for the next Presidential election, will be viewed as a Swing State. I can see that being considered both good and bad. It would nice to have the presidential candidates come here and kiss our asses but if you think all the election TV ads are bad now...
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Who watches commercials?
 
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An alternate voting method that puts a premium on finding a majority and allows voters to rank all candidates, not just cast a single vote for their favorite.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I think you should vote yes for 118.

It's not going to pass, at least I don't think it will, but enough voter interest might lead to a better, more fair version for small businesses.
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Can't do it. With no guarantee that the money will go to the people it's not worth the risk of making UBI look bad.
 
Sorry Sly didn’t see this. A good read for me and the wife voting tonight.
 
Voted for the guy with a hook for a hand and that kicks all kind of ass FAMS!
 
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