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blue9 said:
You must close your eyes for all but two or three possessions of each game, and have a knack for ONLY opening them when Nic happens to turn the ball over.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/sort/avgAssists/position/small-forwards
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...t/assistTurnoverRatio/position/small-forwards
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Batum's assist numbers are highly inflated by the style of offense the Blazers run. Before Stotts offense, he only got 1.5 assists per game. He's not handling the ball nearly as much as James and Durant so he shouldn't be committing near the number of turnovers they do.

Using your logic, Robin Lopez is our best shooter because he has the highest FG%.
 
Ok so here's my take on this "Rumor" that isn't.

Deng would help us win now and into the playoffs more than Batum. We would get more mid range to inside scoring which would help open things up for Lillard, Wes and CJ to hit open 3's. In addition we could establish some more post scoring without relying on RoLo to do that for us. We would gain a guy who is only a couple years older (Fits the LMA window) and plays as good of defense as Nic.... Though we would lose the flashy fast break blocks from behind. We wouldn't get the assists that Batum gives us, but Batum also passes up shots way too frequently. This would also put the ball in Damian's hand more, so his assist numbers would actually go up.

IMO it's a good move on paper, if what you want is to win now.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Bored on a icy cold Sunday. Saw someone on O-live posting a trade they read about on Facebook that they swear is going to happen. Posted this "insider" information here for laughs. The real laughs were people on here actually believing this facebook insider information and arguing about it.
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Getting info from flamer central is going to tarnish your reputation, Sly. :tsktsk:
 
I sometimes think that SlyPokerDog posts these things just to stir up shit and create more hits.

Denny......appropriate disciplinary action please!
 
ponderguy said:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/1/7/5283734/luol-deng-trade-chicago-bulls-andrew-bynum
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http://fansided.com/2014/02/01/nba-...veland-cavaliers-misses-chicago-bulls/#!u8F7p

Luol Deng calls Cleveland Cavaliers a mess, says he misses Chicago Bulls

http://www.blogabull.com/2014/1/8/5289520/luol-deng-contract-negotiations-bulls

"Three days before the trade, Gar called me upstairs and put three years, $30 million on the table. Take it or leave it. No negotiation. I said no and that was it. But 15? That's the only thing that upset me. I'm not upset with the organization. I want everyone to understand that. If I was a GM, would I make that move? Maybe."
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Bored on a icy cold Sunday. Saw someone on O-live posting a trade they read about on Facebook that they swear is going to happen. Posted this "insider" information here for laughs. The real laughs were people on here actually believing this facebook insider information and arguing about it.
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It's a legit rumor now!
 
Denny Crane said:
http://fansided.com/2014/02/01/nba-...veland-cavaliers-misses-chicago-bulls/#!u8F7p

Luol Deng calls Cleveland Cavaliers a mess, says he misses Chicago Bulls

http://www.blogabull.com/2014/1/8/5289520/luol-deng-contract-negotiations-bulls

"Three days before the trade, Gar called me upstairs and put three years, $30 million on the table. Take it or leave it. No negotiation. I said no and that was it. But 15? That's the only thing that upset me. I'm not upset with the organization. I want everyone to understand that. If I was a GM, would I make that move? Maybe."
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He's a real class act. He certainly has legit reasons to be upset with them but he definitely understands the politics side of the NBA
 
Schilly said:
Ok so here's my take on this "Rumor" that isn't.

Deng would help us win now and into the playoffs more than Batum. We would get more mid range to inside scoring which would help open things up for Lillard, Wes and CJ to hit open 3's. In addition we could establish some more post scoring without relying on RoLo to do that for us. We would gain a guy who is only a couple years older (Fits the LMA window) and plays as good of defense as Nic.... Though we would lose the flashy fast break blocks from behind. We wouldn't get the assists that Batum gives us, but Batum also passes up shots way too frequently. This would also put the ball in Damian's hand more, so his assist numbers would actually go up.

IMO it's a good move on paper, if what you want is to win now.
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That should be what our main goal is "To win now!" As long as the Blazers have got this team like it is now the goal should always be about winning now.
 
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ponderguy said:
He's a real class act. He certainly has legit reasons to be upset with them but he definitely understands the politics side of the NBA
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Well, you have people reading the tea leaves and making up a story, and then you have the guy in his own words.

Deng hurt his wrist several years ago and supposedly it required surgery. He kept playing anyway, and then played international ball that summer. Supposedly the Bulls wanted him to have the surgery and be ready/healed by season opener. Not only did he play for them, he played so many minutes he was top 4 in the league every season since. He also made 2 all-star teams after suffering the injury. Did the Bulls hold a grudge all the years since? I don't think so.

As for the spinal tap thing, it was widely reported in the press, not kept as some hush hush kind of secret by the team (see: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/17541/what-luol-deng-is-going-through). I don't blame the coach for making it out like Deng might play. It gave Spoelstra something to think about.

And yeah, there is no classier person than Lu. He spends a lot of his money on charity.
 
Sinobas said:
He's not handling the ball nearly as much as James and Durant so he shouldn't be committing near the number of turnovers they do.
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Cuts both ways - he's not handling the ball as much, so he shouldn't have close to the same APG as they do either.
We get it - you don't like Nic. But you're a fool if you discredit his ability to set-up teammates for easy scoring opportunities.
 
Nic could set up his teammates even better if he became a little more aggressive to score himself as well. He frustrates the hell out of me as he has the skills, talent and ability to be a Pippen like player but is far too passive.
 
Schilly said:
Nic could set up his teammates even better if he became a little more aggressive to score himself as well. He frustrates the hell out of me as he has the skills, talent and ability to be a Pippen like player but is far too passive.
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It's not passivity that's holding him back, it's his ball-handling. If he had a better handle he could be more aggressive in taking the ball to the hoop, but he just doesn't have a great handle on the ball.
 
blue9 said:
Cuts both ways - he's not handling the ball as much, so he shouldn't have close to the same APG as they do either.
We get it - you don't like Nic. But you're a fool if you discredit his ability to set-up teammates for easy scoring opportunities.
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Of his 249 assists this year, only 26 have been for dunks. But he's had 70 turnovers off bad passes.
 
blue9 said:
It's not passivity that's holding him back, it's his ball-handling. If he had a better handle he could be more aggressive in taking the ball to the hoop, but he just doesn't have a great handle on the ball.
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100% agree. it's frustrating watching Batum dribble left - then - right hoping to get around his defender. He looks for an opportunity to pass the ball, which is good, but he just doesn't have the lateral quickness nor the dribbling skills to get by many NBA defenders.

If Nic got serious, and worked on his body in the offseason, to add bulk and explosiveness, as well as worked on his dribbling, well THEN you'd have a Pippenesque type player that so many people are fond of comparing him too.
 
Batum isn't really an explosive athlete, he's smooth, but doesn't have that first step you see in a typical slasher. He reminds me more of a lanky PF when he dribbles than a guy who is comfortable with the ball.
 
Sinobas said:
Batum isn't really an explosive athlete, he's smooth, but doesn't have that first step you see in a typical slasher. He reminds me more of a lanky PF when he dribbles than a guy who is comfortable with the ball.
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You're really going all in, aren't you. Have you seen Nic run down players from behind to block their shots? I have, and it takes explosion to do so.
 
Examples of Batum's terrible athleticism. He's a lanky PF.

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Sinobas said:
Batum isn't really an explosive athlete, he's smooth, but doesn't have that first step you see in a typical slasher. He reminds me more of a lanky PF when he dribbles than a guy who is comfortable with the ball.
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Yep kind of like Danny Granger.
 
PapaG said:
Examples of Batum's terrible athleticism. He's a lanky PF.

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[video=youtube;joHW5_xb_VM]
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How many times have you seen Batum take his man off the dribble?
 
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