Orlando may do this deal

[Nikolokolus]

Hey Mags, here's what you want to look for when it comes to teams possibly being willing to trade their picks.

-Teams that are they capped out.
-Teams drafting at the back of the order.
-Teams that are a player or two away from competing
-A cheapskate owner who doesn't want to pay the salary of a high pick when they've got a lot of other high salary?
-A team that already has a lot of youth and wants to surround their current roster with some vets.
-Teams with stupid impatient owners.
-A bad draft.

On the flipside here's the critieria for teams that are almost never willing to trade their picks, (unless it to swap a couple of spots)
-Teams that are over-the-hill
-Teams that need to rebuild
-Teams that have a lot of needs
-A strong draft

Apply these criteria to the teams you're thinking about and maybe you'll be able to figure out what makes sense or not.

 

[RR7]

you said higher picks. And mentioned Milwaukee, who is in the lottery. Milwaukee isn't going to use their pick to move Bogut. That's laughable.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

We have two ways to get into the lottery:

1) Keep starting Failton

2) Trade Nic (ain't gonna happen)

 

[RR7]

I took it like teams that have terrible contracts and are lottery bound. Was I wrong?

You ignored the part where he said which team would be willing to move thei rpick to remove one of those salaries. Wall? Seriously? Bargs was playing very good before his injury. Amir's not a bad contract. Detroit can amnesty one of their guys. Lewis has only a partially guaranteed deal next year. Bogut? no. GS doesn't necessarily have their pick this year, Utah does(top 7 protected). So they can not move theirs.

 

[Run BJM]

Probably not a good idea to get tied up in Turk's contract, as others mentioned, however I completely agree with Mags that Portland needs to completely overhaul their rotation if they're building around LMA long term. You're doing LMA and the team no favors by surrounding him with guys who aren't good perimeter shooters. Hes perhaps the best post scorer in the league today, get him some fugging snipers to make teams pay for doubling or clogging the paint.

Reddick is a good idea- good shooter and pretty solid defender. Perhaps I'm spoiled because I'm a GS fan but shooting isn't that difficult of a commodity to acquire in the NBA. I'm sure plenty of teams would swap Wes for a less dynamic but better shooting SG/SF. It doesn't necessarily have to be Wes that gets shipped out but Felton, Wes, and Wallace wouldn't be my ideal pieces to put around LaMarcus. Look at how the Magic and Mavs are constructed- tons of shooters surrounding a superstar player.

As you all are far too aware, however, McMillan will only play a certain type of player. But even so just look at some of the guys who have been moved around lately- Brandon Rush, Shane Battier, Delonte West, etc. Role players who can play defense and will drain spot up 3's all day. Great teams a) develop these guys and b) stack their rotations with these kinds of role players.

 

[B-Roy]

Wait a minute! I was asked which teams have high draft picks and insane contracts. I was just answering him. So I get picked on for it? Do you see me saying we make a deal for their pick? I said teams with "late first rounders". There is a huge difference!

You think John Wall is an insane contract??? WHAT? (I'm assuming so, since you listed him)

 

[magnifier661]

Probably not a good idea to get tied up in Turk's contract, as others mentioned, however I completely agree with Mags that Portland needs to completely overhaul their rotation if they're building around LMA long term. You're doing LMA and the team no favors by surrounding him with guys who aren't good perimeter shooters. Hes perhaps the best post scorer in the league today, get him some fugging snipers to make teams pay for doubling or clogging the paint.

Reddick is a good idea- good shooter and pretty solid defender. Perhaps I'm spoiled because I'm a GS fan but shooting isn't that difficult of a commodity to acquire in the NBA. I'm sure plenty of teams would swap Wes for a less dynamic but better shooting SG/SF. It doesn't necessarily have to be Wes that gets shipped out but Felton, Wes, and Wallace wouldn't be my ideal pieces to put around LaMarcus. Look at how the Magic and Mavs are constructed- tons of shooters surrounding a superstar player.

As you all are far too aware, however, McMillan will only play a certain type of player. But even so just look at some of the guys who have been moved around lately- Brandon Rush, Shane Battier, Delonte West, etc. Role players who can play defense and will drain spot up 3's all day. Great teams a) develop these guys and b) stack their rotations with these kinds of role players.

Good post!

 

[magnifier661]

You think John Wall is an insane contract??? WHAT? (I'm assuming so, since you listed him)

I think John Wall is a terrible player, so yeah I think he's insane. I wouldn't even want him either. He's that insane!

 

[B-Roy]

I think John Wall is a terrible player, so yeah I think he's insane. I wouldn't even want him either. He's that insane!

It doesn't even matter if you think he's bad (he's not) because

1.) He's on a rookie scale contract. Washington can decline his last two years. He could expire this year if they wanted.

2.) He's not making nearly enough to be on an insane contract.

3.) If Portland asks for Wall, you can bet your ass the Wiz ask for LMA and LMA only.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It doesn't even matter if you think he's bad (he's not) because

1.) He's on a rookie scale contract. Washington can decline his last two years. He could expire this year if they wanted.

2.) He's not making nearly enough to be on an insane contract.

3.) If Portland asks for Wall, you can bet your ass the Wiz ask for LMA and LMA only.

Maybe they'll take Crawful + our first round pick.

 

[Nikolokolus]

John Wall is a young player with a 17.6 PER on a terrible team with a 35% assist rate. Insane indeed ...

 

[B-Roy]

Maybe they'll take Crawful + our first round pick.

I think they might ask for Felton too. Not sure I'd do that.

 

[Mediocre Man]

You build around players like John Wall. I would literally trade anyone on our roster for him.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think they might ask for Felton too. Not sure I'd do that.

Are you kidding?? I'd personally drive those two crap players across country and deliver them on a silver platter. Taking away players that are game killers for Wall is a killer deal for us.

 

[magnifier661]

You build around players like John Wall. I would literally trade anyone on our roster for him.

Yeah it's really working out well for Washington

 

[B-Roy]

Are you kidding?? I'd personally drive those two crap players across country and deliver them on a silver platter. Taking away players that are game killers for Wall is a killer deal for us.

I don't think I was sarcastic enough.

I thought you were being sarcastic TBH. No, the Wiz are not trading Wall for anything less than LA LOL.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

No, the Wiz are not trading Wall for anything less than LA LOL.

Sadly, that's probably true.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Yeah it's really working out well for Washington

Have you seen that roster? They don't have a John Wall problem, they have problems at about 12 other spots on that team.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yeah it's really working out well for Washington

It will certainly take a bit of time, but I bet they are in playoff contention next season without injuries.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It will certainly take a bit of time, but I bet they are in playoff contention next season without injuries.

They do have a nice roster. Some experience and they will be a good team.

 

[magnifier661]

It will certainly take a bit of time, but I bet they are in playoff contention next season without injuries.

Maybe if they win the top three in the draft and get someone to play along side wall. I just don't like him. His shooting is sooooo suspect. I don't like his attitude either. He seems like a "me first" ai type player to me.

 

[Mediocre Man]

They do have a nice roster. Some experience and they will be a good team.

Experience and probably Harrison Barnes or whoever at the top half of this great draft

 

[B-Roy]

Maybe if they win the top three in the draft and get someone to play along side wall. I just don't like him. His shooting is sooooo suspect. I don't like his attitude either. He seems like a "me first" ai type player to me.

Do you hate every point guard that can't shoot or something?

Besides have you looked at their roster? Wall is probably the last guy you'd want to call me first.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Maybe if they win the top three in the draft and get someone to play along side wall. I just don't like him. His shooting is sooooo suspect. I don't like his attitude either. He seems like a "me first" ai type player to me.

7.5 assists a game. His shooting is OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony suspect....only without the stupid ass juries

 

[magnifier661]

Do you hate every point guard that can't shoot or something?

Besides have you looked at their roster? Wall is probably the last guy you'd want to call me first.

He has a usage of 24.6 and PER of 17.71 (Not even much higher than Wallace). Among PGs, his PER is middle of the pack. He shoots a terrible 40% from the field; only .8% higher than Felton's career numbers. He has a high amount of turn overs to assists. Nothing about his game impresses me. I think he is so over-hyped and over rated.

P.S. I don't hate PGs that can't shoot. I hate PGs that think they can shoot but in reality they can't

 

[B-Roy]

He has a usage of 24.6 and PER of 17.71 (Not even much higher than Wallace). Among PGs, his PER is middle of the pack. He shoots a terrible 40% from the field; only .8% higher than Felton's career numbers. He has a high amount of turn overs to assists. Nothing about his game impresses me. I think he is so over-hyped and over rated.

P.S. I don't hate PGs that can't shoot. I hate PGs that think they can shoot but in reality they can't

You realize a PER of 17.71 is higher than anyone on our team not named Batum and Aldridge right? How can you even call him selfish with only a 24.6% USG rate? He's 21 years old and playing with a bunch of guys that should be in the D-League. With his talent, give him a proper roster and coach (not Nate), and you have a star.

 

[magnifier661]

You realize a PER of 17.71 is higher than anyone on our team not named Batum and Aldridge right? How can you even call him selfish with only a 24.6% USG rate? He's 21 years old and playing with a bunch of guys that should be in the D-League. With his talent, give him a proper roster and coach (not Nate), and you have a star.

Only 24.6%? That is 11th in PGs in the league. And his PER is 19th in PGs. That is Crawford status selfish

EDIT: He is 28th in all PGs in the league on Assists ratio and 53rd in the league for assist/TO ratio.

 

[RR7]

11th out of PGs. 24.6. That is not equaling selfish.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Only 24.6%? That is 11th in PGs in the league. And his PER is 19th in PGs. That is Crawford status selfish

You clearly don't know how to interpret advanced stats. His assist rate is 35% ...

 

[magnifier661]

11th out of PGs. 24.6. That is not equaling selfish.

I watched a lot of Washington because I'm a fan of McGee. I've seen this guy dribble like damon and force the team to terrible shots in the closing seconds.

I am no fan of Wall. I think his game is whack. Sorry.