Orlando's GM on keeping Hedo....

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Blazer4life said:
They have no say in the matter whatsoever. Hedo opted out and is a free agent. They traded for Carter. Hedo will not be in Orlando this year for sure. Even if Carter played SG, Lewis makes sooooooo much money he is the starting SF. Is Hedo going to play PF?????? Not a chance. With Dwights, Lewis's and Vinces contract they cant afford to keep Hedo and pay him the money he is looking for. Besides there is no place for him to play.
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Oh really? They can't resign him for as much as they want? Did they somehow just change the NBA rules or something? They have bird rights on him man. They can sign him and go over the cap if they want.
 
Mediocre Man said:
FYI, Lewis has been their starting PF for a while now.
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Only because he or Turk could not play SG. With Lee out - they will move him to SF (where he belongs) and Carter will play SG. So they can either re-sign Gortat and play him as PF next to D-12 or...? Who knows.
 
Mediocre Man said:
FYI, Lewis has been their starting PF for a while now.
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Ok, sorry forgot. He played SF in Seattle. But nonetheless you can agree with me that they will not be paying him big bucks since they already have 3 players making max or near max money. Their GM said as much.
 
hasoos said:
Oh really? They can't resign him for as much as they want? Did they somehow just change the NBA rules or something? They have bird rights on him man. They can sign him and go over the cap if they want.
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I doubt they can afford the luxury tax hit that would come with resigning him though.
 
hasoos said:
Oh really? They can't resign him for as much as they want? Did they somehow just change the NBA rules or something? They have bird rights on him man. They can sign him and go over the cap if they want.
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I know they can do whatever they want. I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is that they said their GM said that they would not do that. Orlando is one of the teams that does not want to pay luxury tax. Trading for Carter to me signals the the writing is on the wall for Hedo IMO. Thats all.
 
hasoos said:
Oh really? They can't resign him for as much as they want? Did they somehow just change the NBA rules or something? They have bird rights on him man. They can sign him and go over the cap if they want.
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And this is what I was basing my opinion on.

Magic General Manager Otis Smith told the Sentinel that he made Turkoglu a "decent" initial offer before receiving Turkoglu's official letter this week notifying the team he had opted out of his contract.

Smith didn't go into details, but said that Thursday's acquisition of Carter — an eight-time all-star — will make re-signing Turkoglu something of a long-shot.

"It would be hard," Smith said.
 
mook said:
Anyway, I'd much rather shore up our SF position with Artest. Both guys give you perimeter shooting. One guy is more of a playmaker, the other is more of a defender.
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Artest is the guy I want as well. If we want a tough, defensive veteran, he fits the bill perfectly. Sure he's a wack-job, but I think he'd fit well here under Nate. If we could upgrade the PG and get Artest we'd be pretty scary next year.
 
number 10 said:
I doubt they can afford the luxury tax hit that would come with resigning him though.
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And I have only heard their owner say probably 10 times he would go over the cap to keep Turkoglu.
 
I would love to get Hedo (I think he would bring a vet presence and fit right in with core group).

But then what do the Blazer do about the PG position if they burn all their free agent money on Hedo?
 
Blazer4life said:
Ok, sorry forgot. He played SF in Seattle. But nonetheless you can agree with me that they will not be paying him big bucks since they already have 3 players making max or near max money. Their GM said as much.
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I would think they would not offer him a ton of money.
 
hasoos said:
And I have only heard their owner say probably 10 times he would go over the cap to keep Turkoglu.
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what does "going over the cap" even mean? over the luxury tax?

also, what Erroneous Subterfuge said, Vince Carter changes everything.
 
Btw, Carter makes almost 15 million this year and has 4 years on his contract. I can't see them keeping Hedo.
 
What about Bruce Bowen, he's expected to be waived, we don't need another scorer (with the most efficient offense in the league) and it give us much needed veteran (championship) leadership and a great defender. I think he'd be a lot less expensive too.

I'm just not sure about signing Hedo to a long term contract for the salary he's going to want. I suspect the Orlando system made the most of his game but I'm not sure that will translate in the Portland system.
 
Spud147 said:
What about Bruce Bowen, he's expected to be waived, we don't need another scorer (with the most efficient offense in the league) and it give us much needed veteran (championship) leadership and a great defender. I think he'd be a lot less expensive too.

I'm just not sure about signing Hedo to a long term contract for the salary he's going to want. I suspect the Orlando system made the most of his game but I'm not sure that will translate in the Portland system.
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The Spurs didn't need scoring either and Bowen was buried deep on the bench this past season. Its clear that he is not the defender he once was.
 
Blazer4life said:
Btw, Carter makes almost 15 million this year and has 4 years on his contract. I can't see them keeping Hedo.
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Dang. I hadn't realized it was that much and for that long. No wonder we weren't that interested in him.
 
Blazer4life said:
The Spurs didn't need scoring either and Bowen was buried deep on the bench this past season. Its clear that he is not the defender he once was.
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He's only 28. Sign him for a couple years to mentor Batum without taking up too much salary cap. He's been on the all defensive team for years and he's won 3 rings with the Spurs. He knows a whole lot more about what it takes to win a championship than Hedo does.
 
Blazer4life said:
Btw, Carter makes almost 15 million this year and has 4 years on his contract. I can't see them keeping Hedo.
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Jesus :sigh:

Carter has two guaranteed years and a team option for the 3rd year. Not the 4 years you claim
 
RR7 said:
Only 28?
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No, my bad, he's 38 but was still first team all defense in 2007-08 season (I think he was finally left off last season). If he'd agree to sign for the veterans minimum I think it would be worth giving it a shot.

I think Nic has the tools to become an elite defender (who can also score a little)... I'd love to see what happened if they had to scrimmage against each other for a year or two.
 
Bowen is washed up. Started to look pretty poor last year when I saw him. Not worth it.
 
RR7 said:
Bowen is washed up. Started to look pretty poor last year when I saw him. Not worth it.
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You know what? I was thinking that you could sign 1 player to a veterans minimum and it wouldn't go against your cap but the rule I was thinking of is that when you're over the cap you're allowed to sign 1 player to the veterans minimum (it still goes against your cap but it's allowed). I was imagining signing him and still having all the extra cap space to go to either a good back up PF or PG upgrade. Essentially I was think a buy one get one free deal... that's what I get for pretending I'm Tom Penn.

You've got to admit it was a good idea under my imaginary rules. :cheers:
 
I think we could fill up all of our cap space, and THEN do that.
 
My vote...for what it is worth:

Artest...no way!
Bowen...even worse!
Prince...yes please.
Hedo...if less than 10 mil per year.
Nothing...go with Batum/Webster...probably what happens and that would be okay...I guess?!
 
Mediocre Man said:
That deal was 10 million supposedly.

If Hedo wants more than that I hope the Blazers pass.
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I don't think Portland has much choice. They intend to resign Blake and Outlaw, so they won't even have 10 million to play with.
 
How about this for a stupifying off season:

Portland signs Jerrit Jack and Ime Udoka as free agents and then sign Frye to an extension.

I am really trying to think of the worst case scenario so that when KP does fuck all this off season it seems like a good thing.
 
LittleAlex said:
I don't think Portland has much choice. They intend to resign Blake and Outlaw, so they won't even have 10 million to play with.
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No one has talked about this as an option but why not pick up Outlaws option but not Blakes. That saves us an additional 4.25 million to throw at a vet PG. Coupled with the estimate of us having 7 million available in cap space brings us to over 11 million available (not to mention a 3 million TE and the ability to renounce Freeland and Kop.) Outlaw has value and we can hold onto him to use in another trade. This would allow Bayless to be the clear cut back up and can be mentored by a seasoned vet. Mills likely wouldn't play much but can learn on the end of the bench. Thoughts?
 
I like Hedo. He gives us another player who can initiate the offense and run the pick and roll. Plus, he's used to playing with some pretty amazing big men (Duncan, Webber, and Howard).

Get Hedo and Hinrich and call it a day.
 
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