OT: AI to Detroit for Billups and McDyess

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Damn Billups would have been a great fit for our team. Exactly what we need a veteran PG that plays defense and hits big shots. Damn!!!!!!
 
Wow huge trade, I think this puts the Pistons right there with Boston if not above them. Here we have a team that is 8 players deep and McDyce could be cut and resign with Detroit if it goes according to plan...

Shooter said:
Agreed. Iverson has never taken a team anywhere. The fact that the Nuggets are willing to let him go should be a big red flag to the Pistons.
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How about the year that Philly made it to the NBA Finals on AI's back, that was one of the greatest playoff achievements by one player that I have ever seen. Do you remember who was on that team? The Starting lineup was, AI, Arron McKie, Mutumbo, Tyrone Hill, Jumaine Jones... The only player on that team who is even worth mentioning as an above average starter at the time was Mutumbo.

Ed O said:
Not saying this isn't a big trade, because it is, but I don't know that it makes either team any better. Billups does some things better than Iverson and does other things worse. It remains to be seen how each of the guys fit in with their new teammates... I actually think that Iverson might end up helping the Pistons more than Billups does the Nuggets because the Pistons are a team full of role players, and Iverson has the attitude that can carry a team full of role players to the Finals if everything goes well.

Ed O.
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I think this trade gives the Pistons their missing ingredient. The problem that they have always had is they haven't had a clearly defined go to scorer, they have plently of players capable of scoring 20 points but when it comes to those long scoreless drouts that the pistons are famous for they have never had an answer. Now they have AI.
 
This also leads me to believe the management in Detroit has a lot of faith in Rodney Stuckey. They would not make this move if they felt otherwise.

Denver will be improved providing both players show up, but it will probably take a while for them to mesh. It has been rumored for quite a while now that Billups has some motivational issues since he made the finals, and has been on coasting mode.
 
Regardless of this deal, Denver is still without Marcus Camby, so they will still be deficient on defense.

I really don't see what this deal does for Denver other than get Anthony even more shots and create a Martin/McDyess logjam.
 
I don't think it will make Denver all that much better, although they finally have the PG they wanted. They'll probably start JR. Smith now and Kleiza will be the sixth man at the swing spots. I like it for Denver this year, but it definitely constrains them in the future with Billup's contract. I don't know if it hurts the Pistons too much and gives them a huge expiring contract so they have room to go for a FA this summer. Not a bad trade, each side got different things.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Damn Billups would have been a great fit for our team. Exactly what we need a veteran PG that plays defense and hits big shots. Damn!!!!!!
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Kind of like Baron Davis . . . who is an Elgin Bayor signing. Baylor is gone, hmmmm . . . .
 
PapaG said:
Regardless of this deal, Denver is still without Marcus Camby, so they will still be deficient on defense.

I really don't see what this deal does for Denver other than get Anthony even more shots and create a Martin/McDyess logjam.
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Well they can play Martin and McDyess together in the sense that McDyess was the center in Detroit. They also have Nene. I'm not a big fan of any of them for the purposes of staying healthy or being productive, but between the three of them they might be able to put up adequate numbers.
 
NICE!!! Denver is not a threat whatsoever anymore!
This does nothing to shore up their defensive woes. Anthony Carter was ballin for them so far this year. AI usually has good games against us. Billups and Melo just don't worry me.
Detroit got better imo. They shed salary and got a player who can score the rock for them. They also have a mini Billups in Stuckey.
 
PapaG said:
I really don't see what this deal does for Denver other than get Anthony even more shots and create a Martin/McDyess logjam.
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AI/Melo thing didn't work very well (two high volume shooters). Last year it seemed like the team flowed more when only one was in the game and they had some nice stretches when one was hurt.

Melo had a great Olympics and might have taken his game to another level. Denver should clearlly build around him. It is an experiment, but I see Melo working better with Billups that he did with AI.
 
I don't know what to think. Initially I think this makes Denver better with a better PG. But I wonder how he will fit in with the Denver gang bangers. I do think AI will fit in good with Detroit. Going to be fun to see!
 
I don't think this is a transformative trade for either team, but I think it makes Denver a bit stronger. Iverson and Anthony were redundant (and Anthony is superior as a scorer). Swapping out the shoot-first Iverson for Billups, who is better distributor, a complementary scorer and a far better defender, should combine better with Anthony. Now, there can be defined roles without wasting anyone's ability.

For Detroit, it's a risky move. It has the chance to make them significantly worse or significantly better. I think that was a wise choice, to take on that risk, because their team was simply not good enough to win it all. They were a top team, but definitely behind Boston and LA, and maybe behind Houston, New Orleans and Philadelphia. If they get worse, it doesn't cost them a title, because they wouldn't have won a title with Billups. If Iverson injects the scoring threat necessary to make them a more dynamic offensive team, it could make them a greater title threat. Iverson will be their clear #1 option, with Hamilton, Sheed and Prince making good complementary threats. Iverson is not as good as he was when he led the Sixers to the Finals, but he has a superior set of teammates this time around.
 
PapaG said:
Regardless of this deal, Denver is still without Marcus Camby, so they will still be deficient on defense.

I really don't see what this deal does for Denver other than get Anthony even more shots and create a Martin/McDyess logjam.
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yeah I'm with you... I don't see this improving Denver.

I might be the only one who likes it more from Detroit's perspective as Iverson is the best player in the deal. Dude had arguably his best year as a pro last year partly because he's not taking the beating he once did and is staying healthier for it. Stuckey is a big point who should be able to play with AI and form a nice 3 gaurd rotation with RIP. Detroit loses some of it's backup size but McDyess is only an okay Big at this point.

maybe this deal was done with the salary cap in mind as I don't see it making either a real contender.

STOMP
 
Just had another thought on the move... it probably interjects JR Smith into Denver's starting lineup. They didn't need 3 shoot first guys in their mix but shipping AI out opens up a bigger role for him. He's been a pretty productive scorer in limited minutes. Anthony Carter loses a big chunk of his role with the addition of Billups.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Just had another thought on the move... it probably interjects JR Smith into Denver's starting lineup. They didn't need 3 shoot first guys in their mix but shipping AI out opens up a bigger role for him.
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This is probably the best reason they did that deal. Smith now has a starting position.
 
mook said:
This is probably the best reason they did that deal. Smith now has a starting position.
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agreed, he is going to be huge for them. I think this deal definitely makes Denver a better team.
 
Re: OT: AI to Detriot for Billups and McDyess

KingSpeed said:
Huh?? Dude, he took a team to the frickin NBA Finals. See 2001.
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True ... in his prime! The dude is still a pretty good scorer, but he's 34 and there aren't that many games left in the tank; I wouldn't be counting on him to take a team anywhere at this point of his career.
 
Not having much left in the tank isn't a problem when the contract is only for one more season.
 
Re: OT: AI to Detriot for Billups and McDyess

Nikolokolus said:
True ... in his prime! The dude is still a pretty good scorer, but he's 34 and there aren't that many games left in the tank; I wouldn't be counting on him to take a team anywhere at this point of his career.
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The point was that AI never took a team anywhere and I was pointing out that I thought that was wrong.
 
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