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[riverman]

No music collection would be complete without Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys. They were among the first to go electric, they were all, without exception top notch musicians, they were one of the first white bands to mix country, western, jazz, swing and rock 'n roll. They worked their asses off playing everywhere and then some. If their music doesn't get your feet jumping, then you're probably dead. Don't knock it till you have tried it. Asleep At The Wheel are worthy successors. And Steve Earle is an effung genius.......

Great post...have seen Steve Earle many times...most recently in Eugene and saw Asleep at the Wheel when they first came on the scene...great band

 

[ripcityboy]

True country music is as deep and progressive as any music in America. It just hasnt gotten the "Ken Burn's doc treatment" into poluar public consciousness.... yet. (It's coming.) The Carter Family, Bob Wills, Lefty Frizzell, Jimmy Rodgers, Jim Reeves, Merle Haggard, Patsy Cline, Hank Williams, Charlie Rich for god sakes.... you will find "soul" in those songs. Listen to Hank Williams sing "My Son Calls Another Man Daddy" or Charlie Rich sing "Life's Little Ups and Downs." If that doesn't move you, check your pulse!

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Great post...have seen Steve Earle many times...most recently in Eugene and saw Asleep at the Wheel when they first came on the scene...great band

Asleep at the Wheel was one of the best bands I've ever seen. And I'm actually planning on visiting Turkey Texas next spring so I can check out the Bob Wills Museum. I tried to make hotel reservations for the annual Bob Wills Days held there the end of next April but every room in the entire god forsaken area is already sold out!!! So I'll visit the week after.....

 

[riverman]

Greatest country singer ever

 

[riverman]

Another great country album is Van Morrison's "Pay the devil" ....frickin' amazing recording

 

[ripcityboy]

Greatest country singer ever

You want to see one of the great moments in country music history. There is a video of Ray Charles singing Leon Russell's "A Song For You" at a Willie Nelson tribute concert. And Willie gets all choked up part of the way through the song. Willie was treated like shit by the music industry. He was stiffed and shived by every music publisher in the country. And Charles seems to know this with his reading.... it's one of the best live music performances I've ever seen.

 

[theprunetang]

You want to see one of the great moments in country music history. There is a video of Ray Charles singing Leon Russell's "A Song For You" at a Willie Nelson tribute concert. And Willie gets all choked up part of the way through the song. Willie was treated like shit by the music industry. He was stiffed and shived by every music publisher in the country. And Charles seems to know this with his reading.... it's one of the best live music performances I've ever seen.

Is there a video I can watch of this? That sounds epic.

 

[ripcityboy]

Is there a video I can watch of this? That sounds epic.

I just checked. The video is up but they pulled the sound due to copyright. Might be on Daily Motion but I doubt it.

 

[theprunetang]

I just checked. The video is up but they pulled the sound due to copyright. Might be on Daily Motion but I doubt it.

Thanks for looking.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Foo Fighters and Muse are not "modern music."

You guys keep listing off shit that's 10+ years old.

They are modern music though. They are writing NEW songs that are hits and on the radio. Bands like Queen are still on the radio, but not with anything new.
A band can be around for 40 years and still be modern rock if they are still writing new music that is catering to the masses and making the charts.

 

[riverman]

They are modern music though. They are writing NEW songs that are hits and on the radio. Bands like Queen are still on the radio, but not with anything new.
A band can be around for 40 years and still be modern rock if they are still writing new music that is catering to the masses and making the charts.

even if they are not making the charts...Zappa although no longer with us, Tom Waits, Dr John, all those edgy geniuses who never gave a crap about the charts..

 

[Orion Bailey]

Some local rock bands that rock....

www.splinteredthrone.com
www.thepunctuals.com

Give me a day to dig up some websites of more.

 

[ripcityboy]

Thanks for looking.

Try Donny Hathaway's version if you want to get chills. Leon Russell wrote the song specifically for Frank Sinatra but he didn't record it. Charles knew it was a classic and turned it into a standard. To this day I don't know what Ol Blue Eyes was thinking.....

 

[Orion Bailey]

even if they are not making the charts...Zappa although no longer with us, Tom Waits, Dr John, all those edgy geniuses who never gave a crap about the charts..

But those guys are not writing new music people are listening to.

Classic rock gets more play than modern rock for a reason, but even though its still spun more on the radio stations, doesn't keep it modern. Not in my opinion anyhow. Modern rock is newly written music. Doesn't really matter who its from, a band of 40 years or 4 years. If they are still putting out new albums, they are current...hence modern.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Im about to spin a dark album I love to listen to for energy, so I can finish painting the studio and start working on the trim tonight. Its about 7 or 8 years old and is the solo album of SOAD's guitar player and backing vocalist.



www.scarsonbroadway.com

 

[riverman]

But those guys are not writing new music people are listening to.

Classic rock gets more play than modern rock for a reason, but even though its still spun more on the radio stations, doesn't keep it modern. Not in my opinion anyhow. Modern rock is newly written music. Doesn't really matter who its from, a band of 40 years or 4 years. If they are still putting out new albums, they are current...hence modern.

Tom Waits is ahead of the curve...and still making art...people are listening, just not jr high school students with posters on the wall. Joe Pass made a living of probably less than 100k a year playing small cities in Japan, Sweden, etc...and he was probably the greatest guitarist of our generation....he didn't want to play rock arena shows...wanted to walk down the street without papparazi...again..choices...but great art exists without being compared to how much money it makes

 

[riverman]

But those guys are not writing new music people are listening to.

Classic rock gets more play than modern rock for a reason, but even though its still spun more on the radio stations, doesn't keep it modern. Not in my opinion anyhow. Modern rock is newly written music. Doesn't really matter who its from, a band of 40 years or 4 years. If they are still putting out new albums, they are current...hence modern.

Classic rock gets so much play because they don't have to pay much money for the right to play it....the doors, credence, they were all owned by the labels..paid in entertainment bonuses and expenses on the road..then left with nothing off the road....Labels made a fortune off those bands while paying them by the hour

 

[ripcityboy]

But those guys are not writing new music people are listening to.

Classic rock gets more play than modern rock for a reason, but even though its still spun more on the radio stations, doesn't keep it modern. Not in my opinion anyhow. Modern rock is newly written music. Doesn't really matter who its from, a band of 40 years or 4 years. If they are still putting out new albums, they are current...hence modern.

If there is anything I hate more it's the terrestrial "classic rock" radio format. It's essentially like eating the same type of food "over and over and over." The radio station will buy the catalog for a certain selection of artists and will "absolutely not deveat from the norm." The local baby boomer or Gen-Xer who wants to hear Alice Cooper and Foghat doesn't get to get hear any new bands that they might like. And it helps reaffirm the disconnect between young teens who were forced fed that format so much they hate it. Sometimes you get 80 and 90's stations, but they still play a pretty limited selection of stuff. Satellite and Internet radio couldn't get here fast enough for me. What's that phrase kids use nowadays to describe classic music dickheads...... "defner?" They are absolutely right!

 

[riverman]

If there is anything I hate more it's the terrestrial "classic rock" radio format. It's essentially like eating the same type of food "over and over and over." The radio station will buy the catalog for a certain selection of artists and will "absolutely not deveat from the norm." The local baby boomer who wants to hear Alice Cooper and Foghat doesn't get to get hear any new bands that they might like. And it helps reaffirm the disconnect between young teens who were forced fed that format so much they hate it. Sometimes you get 80 and 90's stations, but they still play a pretty limited selection of stuff. Satellite and Internet radio can't get here fast enough for me. What's that phrase kids use nowadays to describe classic music dickheads...... "defner?" They are absolutely right!

My son's ITunes on his phone have taken over the radio for my modern music input..if I listen to the radio...I listen to commercial free radio only..classical, Jazz, local college stations, independent stations...I get most of my new exposure to young bands or artists from my son and his friends. I got him into Al Green and Wes Montgomery...he got me into Kings of Leon and Sublime

 

[ripcityboy]

My son's ITunes on his phone have taken over the radio for my modern music input..if I listen to the radio...I listen to commercial free radio only..classical, Jazz, local college stations, independent stations...I get most of my new exposure to young bands or artists from my son and his friends. I got him into Al Green and Wes Montgomery...he got me into Kings of Leon and Sublime

Yeah. That's my hope for the future of all radio. Not a Clear Station formated nightmare. But where people of all ages are exposed to music at all ends of the spectrum. I mean there is crappy music then and now. You just have to point out the tenants of the good stuff.

 

[Orion Bailey]

If there is anything I hate more it's the terrestrial "classic rock" radio format. It's essentially like eating the same type of food "over and over and over." The radio station will buy the catalog for a certain selection of artists and will "absolutely not deveat from the norm." The local baby boomer or Gen-Xer who wants to hear Alice Cooper and Foghat doesn't get to get hear any new bands that they might like. And it helps reaffirm the disconnect between young teens who were forced fed that format so much they hate it. Sometimes you get 80 and 90's stations, but they still play a pretty limited selection of stuff. Satellite and Internet radio couldn't get here fast enough for me. What's that phrase kids use nowadays to describe classic music dickheads...... "defner?" They are absolutely right!

This town in particular sucks ass for radio. Ive never lived in a place with worse options and i've lived across the country. Even Seattle has a station that will play Led Zep right along side QOTSA and Muse and Aerosmith and etc. My favorite station will mix the 90's with classic rock(this includes the Beatles, some people don't think so) with today's top hits. Very few radio stations have the balls to do this though. I think it takes a much larger market than this one anyhow.

This might go hand in hand with ticket sales for events in general. Listened to a discussion on 1080 about ticket sales for events in general, UFC, music concerts, etc, don't do well here unless its tied to the city (locals sports, local bands, etc).

Other than local sports, this towns entertainment is pretty lacking overall. We are a metro of what.. 1.2 mil or something? Maybe more...Should be worthy of more choices and larger audiences for events...

 

[ripcityboy]

This town in particular sucks ass for radio. Ive never lived in a place with worse options and i've lived across the country. Even Seattle has a station that will play Led Zep right along side QOTSA and Muse and Aerosmith and etc. My favorite station will mix the 90's with classic rock(this includes the Beatles, some people don't think so) with today's top hits. Very few radio stations have the balls to do this though. I think it takes a much larger market than this one anyhow.

This might go hand in hand with ticket sales for events in general. Listened to a discussion on 1080 about ticket sales for events in general, UFC, music concerts, etc, don't do well here unless its tied to the city (locals sports, local bands, etc).

Other than local sports, this towns entertainment is pretty lacking overall. We are a metro of what.. 1.2 mil or something? Maybe more...Should be worthy of more choices and larger audiences for events...

A lot of my friends are musicians and the booking situation for rock acts is dire. You have to go to Seattle because there are no radio stations that will promote your gigs here. From what Ive been told.... Smaller clubs like the Ash Street and the Hawthorne Theater are closing. Mike Thrasher tried to buy it but it was sold to some California investors. Don't know what they are going to do with it. There are some dickhead local politians trying to force out some other live venues by coming down with fire code regulations. In a few years, Stumptown's night life scene will totally change. And not for the better! A lot of it will move to the 'Couve.

 

[theprunetang]

A lot of my friends are musicians and the booking situation for rock acts is dire. You have to go to Seattle because there are no radio stations that will promote your gigs here. From what Ive been told.... Smaller clubs like the Ash Street and the Hawthorne Theater are closing. Mike Thrasher tried to buy it but it was sold to some California investors. Don't know what they are going to do with it. There are some dickhead local politians trying to force out some other live venues by coming down with fire code regulations. In a few years, Stumptown's night life scene will totally change. And not for the better! A lot of it will move to the 'Couve.

The booking situation is not dire. At all. I've played at pretty much every venue in town from shitty places like Ash Street to places like Doug Fir and Mississippi Studios. Honestly, there is so much happening every night and so many venues that it is hard to get your name out there.

 

[ripcityboy]

The booking situation is not dire. At all. I've played at pretty much every venue in town from shitty places like Ash Street to places like Doug Fir and Mississippi Studios. Honestly, there is so much happening every night and so many venues that it is hard to get your name out there.

I've know acts who try to get booked there and can't get arrested. It depends on what your playing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

A lot of my friends are musicians and the booking situation for rock acts is dire. You have to go to Seattle because there are no radio stations that will promote your gigs here. From what Ive been told.... Smaller clubs like the Ash Street and the Hawthorne Theater are closing. Mike Thrasher tried to buy it but it was sold to some California investors. Don't know what they are going to do with it. There are some dickhead local politians trying to force out some other live venues by coming down with fire code regulations. In a few years, Stumptown's night life scene will totally change. And not for the better! A lot of it will move to the 'Couve.

Agree. Malibus in the couv is case in point. Clubs come and go though. booking is easy. selling tickets and getting a turnout is another story.

The booking situation is not dire. At all. I've played at pretty much every venue in town from shitty places like Ash Street to places like Doug Fir and Mississippi Studios. Honestly, there is so much happening every night and so many venues that it is hard to get your name out there.

Same here. I can book a show pretty much anytime I want from the Hawthorne down ( a few clubs are an exception).

Turnout and ticket sales to rock concerts here is not a singular problem. It is a plethora of them.
1. Lack of quality promo. Outside of Thrasher and KingBanana, there really isn't anything else of quality in town. Not with any consistency anyhow. Radio does nothing for local bands really.

2. Sound in the venues. Most venues have sub par sound systems and shit acoustics.

3. Professional atmosphere. Man back in the day in Seattle, Denver and NY, clubs the size of Dante's and above ALWAYs had curtains so bands could tear down and set up behind the scenes and provide a more professional vibe and atmosphere. Most clubs in this town have the bands load and offload off the front of the fricken stage....

4. Too many tribute bands playing the music on the radio. This town has tribute bands for Journey, STP, Kiss, Metallica, Cake, AC/DC, Radiohead, Ozzy, and many more... These bands are mostly quality acts and have decent draws. So the patrons of this town go see them. They know the music and can sing along and its a good show. They know what to expect. They look past the next three weeks of original music because they just went to a show. Time to go out again. Oh.. STP is playing Dante's? (forgets about all other shows again that night and for another 3 weeks.)

5. And probably the largest issue... Too many sub par bands. Patrons cant trust venues to have a quality show night in and night out, regardless of who is on the bill. Most people tend to wait until they come to know a band and then go to see them and don't catch the other acts. Very few shows are put on to be a great show from start to finish. Too many mish mosh of bands tossed together in blender of a bill.

Bands could do themselves a service by investing more time in researching other bands that they would fit with and work with them to put on quality shows, rather than relying on the club or some wannabe promoter to put something together for you. Many musicians are either lazy or ignorant to the business side of music and don't know how or don't promo themselves well at all.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Anyone remember Hawthorne before Hawthorne? I shared the stage with Metal Church at Conan's back in the day.

 

[ripcityboy]

You rang a bell about tribute bands. Seems like everyone I know plays in one. As for Mississippi Street Studios, I love the accountics there but the acts I've seen just haven't been very good. Ash Street I've seen countless shows and always loved it's location. The Fir gets a lot of national acts that come through. I saw Mike Watt and then Fireshose when they got back together.

 

[theprunetang]

Agree. Malibus in the couv is case in point. Clubs come and go though. booking is easy. selling tickets and getting a turnout is another story.



Same here. I can book a show pretty much anytime I want from the Hawthorne down ( a few clubs are an exception).

Turnout and ticket sales to rock concerts here is not a singular problem. It is a plethora of them.
1. Lack of quality promo. Outside of Thrasher and KingBanana, there really isn't anything else of quality in town. Not with any consistency anyhow. Radio does nothing for local bands really.

2. Sound in the venues. Most venues have sub par sound systems and shit acoustics.

3. Professional atmosphere. Man back in the day in Seattle, Denver and NY, clubs the size of Dante's and above ALWAYs had curtains so bands could tear down and set up behind the scenes and provide a more professional vibe and atmosphere. Most clubs in this town have the bands load and offload off the front of the fricken stage....

4. Too many tribute bands playing the music on the radio. This town has tribute bands for Journey, STP, Kiss, Metallica, Cake, AC/DC, Radiohead, Ozzy, and many more... These bands are mostly quality acts and have decent draws. So the patrons of this town go see them. They know the music and can sing along and its a good show. They know what to expect. They look past the next three weeks of original music because they just went to a show. Time to go out again. Oh.. STP is playing Dante's? (forgets about all other shows again that night and for another 3 weeks.)

5. And probably the largest issue... Too many sub par bands. Patrons cant trust venues to have a quality show night in and night out, regardless of who is on the bill. Most people tend to wait until they come to know a band and then go to see them and don't catch the other acts. Very few shows are put on to be a great show from start to finish. Too many mish mosh of bands tossed together in blender of a bill.

Bands could do themselves a service by investing more time in researching other bands that they would fit with and work with them to put on quality shows, rather than relying on the club or some wannabe promoter to put something together for you. Many musicians are either lazy or ignorant to the business side of music and don't know how or don't promo themselves well at all.

That's why I have always booked shows myself and promoted myself. If you are relying on anyone else you aren't doing it right. I have played my fair share of shows in the past with mishmashed lineups and it sucks for everyone involved. I can't pretend to know all of the answers though as my last band got rave reviews but was never able to really attract a crowd aside from a few select shows, like opening for Lebowski fest at the Bagdad, opening for Fugiya and Miyagi at Mississippi, or headlining Doug Fir. We had a lot of blah turnouts at places like Dante's, and defunct places like The Woods or the East End or the Alhambra Theater.

And if you want to get Radio promotion, look at making friends with the people of x-ray fm. They promote Portland bands solely.

 

[ripcityboy]

That's why I have always booked shows myself and promoted myself. If you are relying on anyone else you aren't doing it right. I have played my fair share of shows in the past with mishmashed lineups and it sucks for everyone involved. I can't pretend to know all of the answers though as my last band got rave reviews but was never able to really attract a crowd aside from a few select shows, like opening for Lebowski fest at the Bagdad, opening for Fugiya and Miyagi at Mississippi, or headlining Doug Fir. We had a lot of blah turnouts at places like Dante's, and defunct places like The Woods or the East End or the Alhambra Theater.

And if you want to get Radio promotion, look at making friends with the people of x-ray fm. They promote Portland bands solely.

If I was younger and more financially stable I would have become a booker and gone into promotions. But after I moved back Cali I was just suffering from music industry burnout.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Is this supposed to be a real thing or a SNL skit?