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Don't look now, but the Knicks are hot and only 3 games out of first place in the East. Rose has been playing better, Melo is Melo, Noah is getting comfortable, and Porzingas is a superstar in the making. Thoughts?
 
KingSpeed said:
Don't look now, but the Knicks are hot and only 3 games out of first place in the East. Rose has been playing better, Melo is Melo, Noah is getting comfortable, and Porzingas is a superstar in the making. Thoughts?
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Noah's getting comfortable in that suit.
 
Rose left the game tonight with back issues (spasms. i think)
 
How is being 3 games over .500 close to being in contention?
 
SIGH
Denny I think we need to have another chat. Not about rookies this time though.
 
HCP said:
But the thread topic wasn't asking if the Bulls are doing a great job at being mediocre.
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The Knicks were 32-50 last year. The Nets 21-71 and 76ers 10-72 were worse in the East. 13th seed.

The Pelicans, TWolves, Suns, and of course the L*kers had less than 32 wins in the West. They'd have been 11th seed in the West.

I'm talking the Knicks, not the Bulls.
 
Denny, the Knicks are NO WHERE NEAR BEING A CONTENDER. Type any numbers or stats you can google, won't change that son. Great thread!
 
HCP said:
Denny, the Knicks are NO WHERE NEAR BEING A CONTENDER. Type any numbers or stats you can google, won't change that son. Great thread!
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They've won 8 of their last 11.

Once you get into the playoffs, even the Warriors can lose.
 
HCP said:
Denny, the Knicks are NO WHERE NEAR BEING A CONTENDER. Type any numbers or stats you can google, won't change that son. Great thread!
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They're quite near. Try to keep up.
 
Do the divisions even count anymore?

They're definitely a hot team right now.
 
Denny Crane said:
Do the divisions even count anymore?

They're definitely a hot team right now.
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You definitely play four games against the teams in your divisions. That's it. There is no reward for winning your division. Well, unless you finish 9th or worse and win the division. In that case, I think you slip into the 8th playoff spot over the actual 8th best team.
 
The Knicks have won 4 in a row....
7 of their last 9....
9 of their last 12.

So, yeah, this thread has a point. I'd be impossible to deal with if my Blazers were winning like this.

#Notaknicksfanthough
 
My thoughts are.... They need trade us Kristaps.
 
Meh... It's taken a 4-game winning streak against three of the weakest teams in the league to get to 12-9. They've beaten 7-13 SAC, 6-15 MIN twice and 7-14 MIA. Sure, you can only beat who you play, but nothing about those wins screams contender to me.

Are they better than last season? Most definitely. Does that make them contenders? Definitely not. There is a whole lot of room between being one of the shittiest teams in the league and being a bonafide contender. Congrats to the Knicks on reaching that middle ground. It's a huge step up from where they were last year, but there is nothing about their current resume that makes them contenders.

BNM
 
They play Cleveland tomorrow night. Let's see. Part of being a contender is spanking the bad teams. It means you're not one of them.
 
Basically, the Knicks are as much a contender as the Blazers are.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Meh... It's taken a 4-game winning streak against three of the weakest teams in the league to get to 12-9. They've beaten 7-13 SAC, 6-15 MIN twice and 7-14 MIA. Sure, you can only beat who you play, but nothing about those wins screams contender to me.

Are they better than last season? Most definitely. Does that make them contenders? Definitely not. There is a whole lot of room between being one of the shittiest teams in the league and being a bonafide contender. Congrats to the Knicks on reaching that middle ground. It's a huge step up from where they were last year, but there is nothing about their current resume that makes them contenders.

BNM
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Dont you think that they have a veteran roster of stars that will continue to gel together and know when it is time to turn it on?

I wouldn't call them front runners, but with the talent they have, I would def. consider them a dark horse who can sneak in the back door at the end of the season.
Was Carmelo ever an MVP/ I dont think so, but close? Rose was. I know they arent the same, but sometimes age is trumped by experience and vet savy. With how the east is, I fully expect them to know when to kick it into another gear and be a top four by seasons end. If not, then they are one of a few great failures of talent.
To me they go as far as Melo goes. As long as he keeps the ball and plays iso, they wont win. But if he learns to play more team ball, they can be one hell of a threat.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Dont you think that they have a veteran roster of stars that will continue to gel together and know when it is time to turn it on?

I wouldn't call them front runners, but with the talent they have, I would def. consider them a dark horse who can sneak in the back door at the end of the season.
Was Carmelo ever an MVP/ I dont think so, but close? Rose was. I know they arent the same, but sometimes age is trumped by experience and vet savy. With how the east is, I fully expect them to know when to kick it into another gear and be a top four by seasons end. If not, then they are one of a few great failures of talent.
To me they go as far as Melo goes. As long as he keeps the ball and plays iso, they wont win. But if he learns to play more team ball, they can be one hell of a threat.
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Knowing when they need to kick it into another gear and having another gear are two different things. I look at that roster and I see three vets that are all past their primes, one very young, very talented player and a bunch of nobodies. Sure Rose was an MVP several years ago, but his game relied on unreal athleticism that has abandoned him after so many injuries. He's not even close to the player he was then. And, he's never been a great 3-point shooter. So, he doesn't even have that to fall back on.

Rose and Noah are both injury prone and it' a LONG season. Melo hasn't had the injury history those two have had. So, his decline is more gradual, but make no mistake he is in a slow, gradual decline.

Porzingas is their future, but right now, he's still a young player trying to adjust to the grueling NBA schedule and learning how to win. He's a VERY nice piece for their future, but right now, he's not ready to carry a team on his back.

So, that leaves an aging, inefficient Carmelo as their go to guy. That recipe hasn't worked in several years and surrounding him with other old, past their prime players isn't going to change that.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Knowing when they need to kick it into another gear and having another gear are two different things. I look at that roster and I see three vets that are all past their primes, one very young, very talented player and a bunch of nobodies. Sure Rose was an MVP several years ago, but his game relied on unreal athleticism that has abandoned him after so many injuries. He's not even close to the player he was then. And, he's never been a great 3-point shooter. So, he doesn't even have that to fall back on.

Rose and Noah are both injury prone and it' a LONG season. Melo hasn't had the injury history those two have had. So, his decline is more gradual, but make no mistake he is in a slow, gradual decline.

Porzingas is their future, but right now, he's still a young player trying to adjust to the grueling NBA schedule and learning how to win. He's a VERY nice piece for their future, but right now, he's not ready to carry a team on his back.

So, that leaves an aging, inefficient Carmelo as their go to guy. That recipe hasn't worked in several years and surrounding him with other old, past their prime players isn't going to change that.

BNM
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Good points. I don't know much about the rest of their roster role players. Their passing abilities, etc. I still think if Carmelo can get others involved, they go alot further than letting him back a guy down into the paint all the time.
I was gonna bring up the Lakers when Payton and Malone joined them and they were considered has beens, but then I think that team was much better in both top to bottom talent and individual superstardom.

The east is weak though. I could still. see them making a run at the top four and then when the playoffs starts and the game slows down and players have more nights off.. it will benefit a team like this.
They MUST stay healthy to have any type of chance though.
 
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