OT: Bargnani gets 5year/50Million extension

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Faulty logic. Of course, a player's contract should be based on his productivity, not where he was picked in the draft. Otherwise, Kwame Brown would be locked in at $20 million per year for 6 years by now.
Using Kwame Brown as a counter-example is hardly sound logic... Dude got worse as his career progressed. Bargnani has at least shown a decent rate of improvement and still has the potential of living up to his #1 pick status. That was never the case for Brown.
 
Why are Toronto mods on the Portland board again? Can we not talk amongst ourselves as Blazers fans with out having a cosmopolitan POV jammed at us? Seriously, why do they come to this board? Can't they go to the Knicks board and do this there? First the Hedo trolling, now this. Are they the Raptors police, trolling all boards to make sure nothing bad is ever said about their players or Organization? Get used to it, your GM has that franchise going down a winding road with no road signs. Don't worry about us here.

Chill out dude. Hear another perspective.


Um yeah. Ouch!!!!!1

I wonder if Bosh really will opt out. The 17+ million he's can earn next year is more than he can earn anywhere else. Anyway, Toronto has a lot of dough invested in a group of talent should consider it a success to finish .500.

If Bosh does opt out, they'll have 42 million invested in 7 players After filling some roster spots with guys off the street, they may still have enough to sign a replacement for Bosh.

They'll probably give Rickey Davis a 10 million dollar a year contract.

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Bargnani

What a bunch of losers.

Um, DeRozan does not play the 4, and never, ever will.

There's been no trolling, and if you expect only Portland fans to post here then you're going to be severely and repeatedly disappointed.

Personally, I appreciate the insight that thoughtful fans of other teams can provide, and I don't think it'd be natural for them to not be at least a LITTLE defensive about their teams and players.

Ed O.

I agree. I like hearing what other fans say. Not just us crazy ass Blazer fans!

I actually feel a little bad for Bargs.

Yeah, I feel bad for him too. :smh:
 
Using Kwame Brown as a counter-example is hardly sound logic... Dude got worse as his career progressed. Bargnani has at least shown a decent rate of improvement and still has the potential of living up to his #1 pick status. That was never the case for Brown.

Wrong, Kwame peaked during his 3rd season. Kwame's 3rd season PER = 15.7. Bargnani's 3rd season PER = 14.6. Bargnani is a better scorer, but Kwame was a better rebounder and better defender. Basically, after 3 seasons in the league, they had roughly equal productivity. I bet the Wizards are glad they didn't lock in Kwame at $50 million for 5 years based on his prgress through his first three seasons in the league.

Of course, he declined after that 3rd season, but there is no guarantee Bargnani won't do the same.

Besides, your original post had nothing to do with improvement or upside, you simply stated that Bargnani's contract wasn't outrageous based on where he was drafted regardless of productivity:

as the #1 pick, figuring 10% annual raises from his final year rookie deal, a 5 year extension would be $44M. $50M is barely more than a $1M/yr raise, which is pretty modest regardless of productivity.

BNM
 
I wasn't trying to compare Oden and Bargnani's game. They're too radically different players. The point I was trying to make is that you guys get upset when uninformed outside commentators bash Oden without knowing the extenuating circumstances of his career. And you're right to be annoyed with that. I feel like Bargnani consistently gets the same treatment though. Nobody really considers how difficult it was for him to produce when his coach wouldn't give him a defined role and didn't know how to develop his skills. Or that he played the '07-'08 season with a deviated septum that restricted his breathing ability and affected his endurance. The facts speak for themselves. When he was given a clearly defined spot on the starting lineup and a new coach, he flourished.

I suppose it's somewhat natural to just glance at the averages and assume he's a bust, when he was drafted before players that have contributed straight out of college. But he was alway more of a long-term project than the players he was drafted ahead of. And I feel like the way he showed up to camp 15 lbs. stronger last summer, won the starting center job over Jermaine O'Neal, and improved the non-offensive aspects of his game (I'll have to look more closely at those statistics, because I felt he was a pretty good defender and shotblocker this year) all warrant more attention than they get. He absolutely has to improve his rebounding and his help defense, but I don't think he's nearly as one-dimensional as people try to portray him as. Right now he's a versatile/unorthodox center that presents a mismatch to any other center and can defend his position on the other end. We've seen lots of the former, but very few players who also have the latter.

well put.
 
If "Deron is Deron" (and, therefore, better than Brandon Roy)... then, Andrea... well, Andrea's a girl's name!
 
If "Deron is Deron" (and, therefore, better than Brandon Roy)... then, Andrea... well, Andrea's a girl's name!

Your saying his name is a girls name, yet you are writing in lime green?

Thanks by the way for blinding me.
 
Some quick "max" numbers for 2010.

If it's going to be a 50.4M cap, then Roy's max is 5/75.6M starting with a 12.512 base. If it's at 53M cap, it's 5/79.5M with a 13.25 base
 

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