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Billy boy is "tweeting" some old pre-draft links and they make for a pretty good read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=nbamockdraft/070627
2007 draft:
Bill Simmons selects: Kevin Durant, SF, Texas
If I'm Portland's GM, I just spent the last five weeks wondering about Greg Oden. What's his ceiling? Can he be better than Patrick Ewing? Alonzo Mourning? Can he become as dominant as Tim Duncan? Should I be worried about his surgically repaired wrist, or the fact that he might suffer back problems some day because his legs are different sizes? What about the fact that he likes basketball, but doesn't love it? The thing is, all these franchise centers are basically the same -- it just comes down to their inherent will to dominate a game. Hakeem had that will, Duncan has it, Moses had it, Shaq had it in 2000 and 2001 ... for whatever reason, Ewing didn't have it, and neither did Mourning or Robinson. Can you see Oden stepping onto a basketball court and saying, "There's no way we're losing this f-ing game. I'm destroying the other team tonight." For some reason, I can't.


Well, Durant plays that way every game. He's a cold-blooded killer. I hate pre-draft workouts, but didn't you find it interesting that Oden was nervous, awkward and apologetic during his workout in Portland, but a confident Durant strolled in there two days later and blew everyone away? You know what's funny about that? I knew that was going to happen. One guy plays basketball because he was created to play basketball; the other plays because he was bigger than everyone else and it seemed like the logical thing to do. If there was a pickup game and Oden was on one side, Durant was on the other, and your life depended on the game, you'd pick Durant. You would.


So if Portland takes Oden, it will happen because of conventional NBA logic (you always take the franchise center), because their fans are pushing for him (obviously, nobody watches college basketball in Portland) and because he's a personable, gregarious, likable big guy for a city that's desperately needed a personable, gregarious, likable big guy ever since Bill Walton ditched Portland for San Diego. I'm not saying those reasons are wrong. In fact, I understand them completely. But if I'm Portland's GM, I'm taking the guy with a legitimate chance to go down with Bird, Magic, MJ, Baylor, Oscar, West, Duncan, Pettit, Havlicek and every other great non-center who ever played in the National Basketball Association. I'm taking Kevin Durant.

Then again he thought Joe Alexander was going to be pretty good the following year :wink:
 
Somewhere within that same draft time frame, he was saying Portland should take Durant. Keep Zach, and also sign and trade for Rashard Lewis. I don't think he wanted to see us play any defense whatsoever.
 
History has not rendered its final judgement on Greg Oden yet. Simmons still has time to be wrong. I don't see Kevin Durant with any rings on his fingers, either. Sometime, somewhere (hopefully it's in Portland), Greg Oden will have the last laugh on his detractors.
 
History has not rendered its final judgement on Greg Oden yet. Simmons still has time to be wrong. I don't see Kevin Durant with any rings on his fingers, either. Sometime, somewhere (hopefully it's in Portland), Greg Oden will have the last laugh on his detractors.


holy cow. taking delusional to an all new level. "mom i just scored a goal.... i know hun... you are the greatest"
 
holy cow. taking delusional to an all new level. "mom i just scored a goal.... i know hun... you are the greatest"

Oh come on Mixum it was a mistake at the moment to take Oden thats pretty obvious. The fact of the matter is Oden could come back and absolutely dominate, he is only 22 and should have no real lasting effects from his surgeries. There is probably a bigger chance he will become a bust but since there is no way we can get a big man with near his potential anytime soon we might as well take a chance on him with a 4 year contract that expires the same time as Roy's.
 
History has not rendered its final judgement on Greg Oden yet. Simmons still has time to be wrong. I don't see Kevin Durant with any rings on his fingers, either. Sometime, somewhere (hopefully it's in Portland), Greg Oden will have the last laugh on his detractors.

Oh ffs.

:rollseyes:
 
i think "effective" is our only hope

dominate is more fantasy land at this point
 
I was wondering during last night's game, what was Roy's value at the time of the Oden/Durant draft debate? His knees weren't widely regarded as a ticking time bomb back then, were they? I can't help but think he could have been sufficient trade bait to land the #2 pick and take both guys instead of having to choose. Boy would that have been nice in hindsight, having a productive player out of that top pick and not having Roy's contract for a bench player. Oh well, wishful thinking. We probably would have missed out on getting our butts kicked by Houston in the playoffs.
 
Hindsight. Is. 20. 20.

It's been said a thousand times: every GM in the league would've taken Oden #1.

Remember the Orlando pre-draft camp that year, when Durant couldn't bench 200 lbs even once (and he was the *only* guy who couldn't do it)? Yeah.
 
Hindsight. Is. 20. 20.

It's been said a thousand times: every GM in the league would've taken Oden #1.

Remember the Orlando pre-draft camp that year, when Durant couldn't bench 200 lbs even once (and he was the *only* guy who couldn't do it)? Yeah.

This is the truth.
 
Hindsight. Is. 20. 20.

It's been said a thousand times: every GM in the league would've taken Oden #1.

Remember the Orlando pre-draft camp that year, when Durant couldn't bench 200 lbs even once (and he was the *only* guy who couldn't do it)? Yeah.

Actually this was Bill Simmons before the draft, so it's actually foresight. And for KD's sake I'm glad basketballs only weigh a couple of pounds ...
 
He nailed it.

But Simmons is still the king of all media douches.
 
Actually this was Bill Simmons before the draft, so it's actually foresight. And for KD's sake I'm glad basketballs only weigh a couple of pounds ...

Simmons is basically a comedy writer. I love his stuff, and he wrote a great book about the NBA, but picking Durant in a phony draft had almost no downside for him. If he's "right", he looks great. If he misses, oh well, it was just goofy Bill Simmons in a goofy mock draft.
 
This is thread worthy? That Bill Simmons thought Durant would be a better pick than Oden?
 
I disagree that Alonzo didn't have the will. That guy played with serious intensity but never had good enough teammates to win it all (of course he DID win it all in 2006 as a role player). I mean, look at KG. If he never gets traded to Boston, he never wins a title. Would that mean KG never had the "will"? I take exception to that.
 
Same with Ewing actually too. If John Starks makes his fucking shots in Game 7, Ewing has a title and everyone talks about what great "will" he had.
 

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