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KingSpeed said:
It was Fez who said that about Oden. Not me. For the record. Please change your post to show that. I don't want people to think I said Oden sucks.
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I know it was Fez, other people should too, if they read the thread.
 
noknobs said:
Yes, whiners... Are you actually going to debate that fact with me?


You're actually using the term, "pure logic", when defending the things that were said in this thread... That may be the funniest thing I've ever heard. Nate goes with guys who are having a good game all the time. There was no doubt in my mind he play Bayless down the stretch.

Clearly Nate agrees with the bold part of your post, seeing as he put Bayless in instead. So, what's the problem again?
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?? I was saying it was pure logic to put Bayless back into the game ASAP. How is that not pure logic?
 
MAS RipCity said:
Granted, I was trying to take notes and watch the game, but as good as JB was playing him, he still had 3-4 straight possessions where he was unstoppable getting to the hoop with no threat of a shot being blocked.
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I said 2/3 stops, not shut down. Those stops were the difference because NJ couldn't get any on the othe end.
 
B-Roy said:
I know it was Fez, other people should too, if they read the thread.
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Unfortunately, not everyone does read the whole thread. I got beat up for making a comment about +/- that was taken out of context.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Here we go.

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watch the bench's reaction
 
KingSpeed said:
Unfortunately, not everyone does read the whole thread. I got beat up for making a comment about +/- that was taken out of context.
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I agree with you +/- can be totally taken out of context. A lot of it can have to do with the lineup a player is on the floor with during the game, not their particular performance. That is why you have to watch the game to know the whole story.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
?? I was saying it was pure logic to put Bayless back into the game ASAP. How is that not pure logic?
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I was never talking solely about you, why would you think I was? Go back and read a few of those pages, it's just whine whine whine. It's like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum because he wants his toy RIGHT NOW and can't wait one fucking minute.

I'm going to go savor the victory, not debate how lame this thread is.
 
STOMP said:
I've got to say I'm really impressed with their duo. Calling things straight up for the most part as they paint the action with spot on observations about both teams

STOMP
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:check:

I think it's been the best team I've heard all year. I wish Mike & Mike were that good.
 
On that note, how were Mike & Mike tonight? ANyone? WHat did they say about Bayless?
 
Tortimer said:
I agree and I think Oden needs to put pressure on Nate to get more PT. Sergio did and it worked.
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he is one tenth of a foul away from the league lead in fouls per game. he is the only person keeping himself off the court. yes, he did not foul tonight, but this was an anomaly. he cannot play more than a minute or two more per game than he has thus far with that foul rate.
 
RR7 said:
So...uh...Maris around talking up Sergio?

I think Bayless just earned himself a start on Saturday. Or he should anyways. Sweet comeback win sparked by a rookie, and some solid play.
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I'll bite.

Sergio played a solid game and stymied Harris defensively. The team was composed and fluid with him in there and they outscored the Nits by 1 with him in (the only starter with a +). He certainly didn't give Nate any reason to be upset or cut back his time. He clearly is most effective with Joel, Rudy, Travis, Channing and LaMarcus, as they are all good at moving without the ball.

It's awkward when he is with Roy, as Sergio thrives on a continuously quick game and Roy will kill the momentum about every 3rd time upcourt by dribbling for 15 seconds at the top of the key. Their games don't mesh and Roy doesn't appear to get along personally very well with him. I never see Roy talk to him.

Bayless had a great game in the second half when others were struggling and got enough momentum going that the refs gave him a couple calls that were borderline and especially nice was he actually made shots and got to the line a lot. It's great to have another aggressive player going to the rim but someone needs to tell him not to rub it in so much when he scores. He does that silly strut-around yelling thing that Jack always did, and besides pissing off his opponents it looks downright silly. It seem he ignores Rudy when he is open, as does Roy.

Someone needs to show him a mirror. He's 6' 3" and if he keeps trying to go to the rim against PF's and C's they will keep slamming him to the floor in a heap. At his current rate of 3 times a night he'll be medically retired before Darius Miles is. Choose your battles wisely, Jerryd.:tsktsk:

I was amazed when I saw Roy's stat line, because I thought he looked fatigued to the point of being ill (again) but, wow.

Oden had a bad game. He needs to learn how to throw a guy off without fouling. He was completely blocked from the ball by Lopez when he was in. There was no point having him in that way.

LaMarcus had a good game and was wide open all night, but nobody but Sergio seemed to notice him.
 
MAS RipCity said:
Granted, I was trying to take notes and watch the game, but as good as JB was playing him, he still had 3-4 straight possessions where he was unstoppable getting to the hoop with no threat of a shot being blocked.
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We had a mismatch working with them, they were unable, for whatever reason, to match up to what we were doing. Lopez was flustered, they kept losing Outlaw in the corner, which was critical, and it was opening up huge holes in the lane, when LMA would drag Lopez away from the rim. Now, enter Oden, enter, say, Anderson. Oden isn't straying far, Lane is clogged, Bayless and Roy are not getting those layups as easily. How can you not see that the reason we won tonight was the lineup that we were running. I am in no way a huge Nate fan. I am critical of him in stretches, but he saw, for tonight, what seemed to be working and what was not, and saw, even with Harris getting into the lane, that he would probably get there, as well as get a FT, if they went back to killing us with the pick and roll. Did you want to see a repeat of that? Gimme a break. We won. And we won because of a smart decision by Nate to go to what was working and stick with it. This is fucking pathetic. Everyone on this board, sorry, not everyone, don't need STOMP yelling at me for generalizations, a lot on this board bitch and whine and complain if Nate goes away from what they think is working. This was working tonight. And you;re saying go away from what not only brought us back from a 10 point defecit, but got us a 6 point lead, and try to win the way we were losing. And if it hadn't worked, you;d probably be on here bitching about how we lost because Nate benched a hot hand. FUck this shit. Un-fucking-believable how own and whiney and bitchey some people on this board are. We are very rarely going to have perfect games. We struggled tonight early, and we found what was working and stuck with it. Be fucking happy, instead of always taking your little pot shots. Fuck.
Go Blazers. And Go Bayless. Starting PG. Blakes just been Wally Pipp'ed bitches.
 
MARIS61 said:
I'll bite.

Sergio played a solid game and stymied Harris defensively. The team was composed and fluid with him in there and they outscored the Nits by 1 with him in (the only starter with a +). He certainly didn't give Nate any reason to be upset or cut back his time. He clearly is most effective with Joel, Rudy, Travis, Channing and LaMarcus, as they are all good at moving without the ball.

It's awkward when he is with Roy, as Sergio thrives on a continuously quick game and Roy will kill the momentum about every 3rd time upcourt by dribbling for 15 seconds at the top of the key. Their games don't mesh and Roy doesn't appear to get along personally very well with him. I never see Roy talk to him.
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Well exactly. You've put it perfectly. He doesn't play well with Roy. Well Roy ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. He is the FRANCHISE PLAYER. We need a PG who PLAYS WELL WITH HIM. And thus, BAYLESS is the future starting PG. Not SERGIO.
 
MARIS61 said:
Sergio played a solid game and stymied Harris defensively. The team was composed and fluid with him in there and they outscored the Nits by 1 with him in (the only starter with a +). He certainly didn't give Nate any reason to be upset or cut back his time. He clearly is most effective with Joel, Rudy, Travis, Channing and LaMarcus, as they are all good at moving without the ball.
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sergio stymied harris defensively? not sure what you're talking about, but the guy who made several stops on harris was bayless.

It's awkward when he is with Roy, as Sergio thrives on a continuously quick game and Roy will kill the momentum about every 3rd time upcourt by dribbling for 15 seconds at the top of the key. Their games don't mesh and Roy doesn't appear to get along personally very well with him. I never see Roy talk to him.
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sergio is the guy who dribbles the shot clock out more than anyone else. roy does occasionally try to go one on one a time or two too often, but that general is when he's either really hot or no one else is knocking down shots and portland needs a bucket.

LaMarcus had a good game and was wide open all night, but nobody but Sergio seemed to notice him.
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does "nobody" include roy and bayless? both guys got the ball to aldridge when he was open.
 
RR7 said:
We had a mismatch working with them, they were unable, for whatever reason, to match up to what we were doing. Lopez was flustered, they kept losing Outlaw in the corner, which was critical, and it was opening up huge holes in the lane, when LMA would drag Lopez away from the rim. Now, enter Oden, enter, say, Anderson. Oden isn't straying far, Lane is clogged, Bayless and Roy are not getting those layups as easily. How can you not see that the reason we won tonight was the lineup that we were running. I am in no way a huge Nate fan. I am critical of him in stretches, but he saw, for tonight, what seemed to be working and what was not, and saw, even with Harris getting into the lane, that he would probably get there, as well as get a FT, if they went back to killing us with the pick and roll. Did you want to see a repeat of that? Gimme a break. We won. And we won because of a smart decision by Nate to go to what was working and stick with it. This is fucking pathetic. Everyone on this board, sorry, not everyone, don't need STOMP yelling at me for generalizations, a lot on this board bitch and whine and complain if Nate goes away from what they think is working. This was working tonight. And you;re saying go away from what not only brought us back from a 10 point defecit, but got us a 6 point lead, and try to win the way we were losing. And if it hadn't worked, you;d probably be on here bitching about how we lost because Nate benched a hot hand. FUck this shit. Un-fucking-believable how own and whiney and bitchey some people on this board are. We are very rarely going to have perfect games. We struggled tonight early, and we found what was working and stuck with it. Be fucking happy, instead of always taking your little pot shots. Fuck.
Go Blazers. And Go Bayless. Starting PG. Blakes just been Wally Pipp'ed bitches.
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but a smarter decision by nate would have been to pound the ball inside to oden when he was in the game because it was clear that lopez couldn't handle him without fouling.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Whiners? Please. It was pure logic. Knowing Nate it was up in the air whether we would see Bayless come back in again, if we would have kept Sergio in there instead, I can guarantee you we wouldn't have ran away with it at the end
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No, you can't actually. You can't guarantee anything at all about "if we would have".:tsktsk:

With Sergio in we outscored them by 1, with Bayless in we outscored them by 5.

Sergio has a lot more success stories closing out big games than Bayless does. Years more.

Either way we win.

Be happy.
 
I thought Nate did a splendid job of coaching tonight.
 
MARIS61 said:
No, you can't actually. You can't guarantee anything at all about "if we would have".:tsktsk:

With Sergio in we outscored them by 1, with Bayless in we outscored them by 5.

Sergio has a lot more success stories closing out big games than Bayless does. Years more.

Either way we win.

Be happy.
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What "big" games has Sergio closed out successfully?
 
MARIS61 said:
I'll bite.

Sergio played a solid game and stymied Harris defensively. The team was composed and fluid with him in there and they outscored the Nits by 1 with him in (the only starter with a +). He certainly didn't give Nate any reason to be upset or cut back his time. He clearly is most effective with Joel, Rudy, Travis, Channing and LaMarcus, as they are all good at moving without the ball.

It's awkward when he is with Roy, as Sergio thrives on a continuously quick game and Roy will kill the momentum about every 3rd time upcourt by dribbling for 15 seconds at the top of the key. Their games don't mesh and Roy doesn't appear to get along personally very well with him. I never see Roy talk to him.

Bayless had a great game in the second half when others were struggling and got enough momentum going that the refs gave him a couple calls that were borderline and especially nice was he actually made shots and got to the line a lot. It's great to have another aggressive player going to the rim but someone needs to tell him not to rub it in so much when he scores. He does that silly strut-around yelling thing that Jack always did, and besides pissing off his opponents it looks downright silly. It seem he ignores Rudy when he is open, as does Roy.

Someone needs to show him a mirror. He's 6' 3" and if he keeps trying to go to the rim against PF's and C's they will keep slamming him to the floor in a heap. At his current rate of 3 times a night he'll be medically retired before Darius Miles is. Choose your battles wisely, Jerryd.:tsktsk:

I was amazed when I saw Roy's stat line, because I thought he looked fatigued to the point of being ill (again) but, wow.

Oden had a bad game. He needs to learn how to throw a guy off without fouling. He was completely blocked from the ball by Lopez when he was in. There was no point having him in that way.

LaMarcus had a good game and was wide open all night, but nobody but Sergio seemed to notice him.
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This is comedy gold -- signature worthy. :biglaugh::clap::crazy::cheers:
 
rocketeer said:
but a smarter decision by nate would have been to pound the ball inside to oden when he was in the game because it was clear that lopez couldn't handle him without fouling.
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Lopez completely shut him down. Rendered him useless.
 
rocketeer said:
but a smarter decision by nate would have been to pound the ball inside to oden when he was in the game because it was clear that lopez couldn't handle him without fouling.
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Smarter? We won. I would have loved to see it, I think it would have been good, when he picked up a foul, and Anderson picked up a foul to work it inside. It would have been good to see. But for every two he gets, or 1.5, roughly, with FTs, he was close to giving up 2 on the other end. And either way, to say it would have been smarter, again, we won. Smarter meaning we win by 12 instead? :dunno: He coached us into a win by going with a lineup that gave the Nets fits, I think.
 
Pretty sweet win. Frustrating that Oden had such an invisible game (invisible not just in terms of impact, but apparently to his teammates, too) but that was counter-balanced by Bayless building on his promising games with a breakout! What an awesome game for him...23 points on 8 shots is pretty ridiculous efficiency. He gets to the line at will...very Dwyane Wade-esque.

I'm convinced. Let Bayless start and play starter minutes in Blake's absence. If this was an aberration and he fails, replace him with Blake when Blake gets back. If he continues to succeed, then let Gehrig replace Pipp permanently.
 
MARIS61 said:
No, you can't actually. You can't guarantee anything at all about "if we would have".:tsktsk:

With Sergio in we outscored them by 1, with Bayless in we outscored them by 5.

Sergio has a lot more success stories closing out big games than Bayless does. Years more.

Either way we win.

Be happy.
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Dude. The +/- stat means little unless you believe Sergio is better than Roy or that Frye is worlds better than LMA.
 
Minstrel said:
Pretty sweet win. Frustrating that Oden had such an invisible game (invisible not just in terms of impact, but apparently to his teammates, too) but that was counter-balanced by Bayless building on his promising games with a breakout! What an awesome game for him...23 points on 8 shots is pretty ridiculous efficiency. He gets to the line at will...very Dwyane Wade-esque.

I'm convinced. Let Bayless start and play starter minutes in Blake's absence. If this was an aberration and he fails, replace him with Blake when Blake gets back. If he continues to succeed, then let Gehrig replace Pipp permanently.
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Not to mention that this was against one of the best defensive PG's in the league (and Dooling's no slouch defensively either). I certainly wouldn't be averse to seeing how the Bayless-Roy starting combo functions; at the very least, it would be interesting to how our 1st quarters go.

However, I also have concerns as to how starting Bayless might affect Oden. If our real point guards can barely get him any looks, will he even touch the ball with Jerryd at the point?
 
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