OT: Bucks sign Gooden to five year 32 million dollar deal

[Nikolokolus]

I thought Gooden was much older than 28. Still a very underwhelming signing, as if the Bucks made Drew Gooden their No. 1 priority in free agency? Yuck. And the Bucks will still go nowhere.

The Bucks will be pretty good if Bogut fully recovers and if Jennings continues to grow ... the rest is mostly window dressing.

 

[BGrantFan]

Because that 17 PER is connected to Dwight Gooden.

So a 17 PER on-court has more value from another player? Production is production, IMO. Gooden has been to an NBA Finals as a starting PF, so he must not be the complete teamwrecker that you paint him to be. Plus, Drew Gooden may be a headcase, but he's no Dwight Gooden, is he?

 

[alex42083]

The Bucks will be pretty good if Bogut fully recovers and if Jennings continues to grow ... the rest is mostly window dressing.

I don't see the Bucks any more than a No. 5-8 seed in the East. They'll challenge to win a first-round matchup because of Jennings, but nothing more.

 

[maxiep]

So a 17 PER on-court has more value from another player? Production is production, IMO. Gooden has been to an NBA Finals as a starting PF, so he must not be the complete teamwrecker that you paint him to be. Plus, Drew Gooden may be a headcase, but he's no Dwight Gooden, is he?

Oops. I mixed up sports. Drew. Drew. Drew.

But PER is not a complete measurement, so not all 17 PERs are created equally.

 

[BGrantFan]

Oops. I mixed up sports. Drew. Drew. Drew.

But PER is not a complete measurement, so not all 17 PERs are created equally.

Is 17/11 on 48% shooting per/36 productive for a PF? I'd pay $6 million for that. The Blazers just paid $13 million for 17/7 on 49% shooting per/36 for their starting PF.

Is there risk associated with Gooden? Sure. Is he a value given his production on the court? I say yes.

 

[maxiep]

Is 17/11 on 48% shooting per/36 productive for a PF? I'd pay $6 million for that. The Blazers just paid $13 million for 17/7 on 49% shooting per/36 for their starting PF.

Is there risk associated with Gooden? Sure. Is he a value given his production on the court? I say yes.

You're entitled to your opinion. Others disagree with it. Vaya con Dios.

 

[BGrantFan]

You're entitled to your opinion. Others disagree with it. Vaya con Dios.

God looks down on me spooning with John Hammond, yet I continue to do it.

Thank you for letting me be entitled to my opinion. If that sort of on-court production isn't worth $6 million/per, then I'm comfortable disagreeing with you.

 

[maxiep]

God looks down on me spooning with John Hammond, yet I continue to do it.

Thank you for letting me be entitled to my opinion. If that sort of on-court production isn't worth $6 million/per, then I'm comfortable disagreeing with you.

PapaG, you're a weird dude. Someone disagrees with your opinion and you try to paint yourself as a victim.

 

[BGrantFan]

You're a weird dude. Someone disagrees with your opinion and you try to paint yourself as a victim.

Unlike you, I didn't resort to strawmen and talking about me "spooning" a GM. I didn't paint myself as a victim, I pointed out that you fabricated my position, and then when caught, continued with some ad hominem attacks. This makes me a "weird dude".

Childish, if you ask me. Then again, saying 17/11 and a 17 PER on the court isn't worth $6 miillionfor a 28 year-old PF seems rather silly, so I understand why you lashed out and made up my position to suit your "argument".

 

[maxiep]

Unlike you, I didn't resort to strawmen and and talking about me "spooning" a GM. I didn't paint myself as a victim. I pointed out that you fabricated my position, and then when caught, continued with an ad hominem attack.

Childish, if you ask me.

Butthurt much? Once again, you're the innocent victim. How tragic these things keep happening to you.

 

[BGrantFan]

Butthurt much? Once again, you're the innocent victim. How tragic these things keep happening to you.

Only one of us appears to be butthurt, and it isn't me. I'd appreciate it if you not make up my position the next time you resort to your childish games, though.

 

[maxiep]

Only one of us appears to be butthurt, and it isn't me. I'd appreciate it if you not make up my position the next time you resort to your childish games, though.

I see what you tried to do there...it didn't work.

I get how you get your first hand and and your feet, but just how do you nail your last hand into the cross?

 

[BGrantFan]

I see what you tried to do there...it didn't work.

I get how you get your first hand and and your feet, but just how do you nail your last hand into the cross?

Whatever bro. Shift the focus to me; it's better than defending your position.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I see what you tried to do there...it didn't work.

I get how you get your first hand and and your feet, but just how do you nail your last hand into the cross?

LOL

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[Ed O]

If people keep thinking EVERY deal is a bad one... maybe their perspective on the market is wrong?

We'll see if the market "corrects" at the end of the summer and there are good players out there, waiting to be scooped up on the cheap due to early overspending... or if these deals are actually what the market (even if the market is a bit twisted) reflects.

Ed O.

 

[BGrantFan]

If people keep thinking EVERY deal is a bad one... maybe their perspective on the market is wrong?

We'll see if the market "corrects" at the end of the summer and there are good players out there, waiting to be scooped up on the cheap due to early overspending... or if these deals are actually what the market (even if the market is a bit twisted) reflects.

Ed O.

I like production, and Drew Gooden is productive. $6 million/per seems reasonable to me given what he gives you on the court. I'd love to have him coming off the Blazer bench at that price, yet Milwaukee is paying him to start. Without being in a locker room, I won't label him a "cancer" as others did in this thread. He was a starting PF on an NBA Finals team. He obviously didn't blow up that locker room.

 

[Minstrel]

This deal seems slightly too large (in years), but it's not insane or ridiculous, like the Rudy Gay deal. At least Gooden is being around the right rate per year. I just wouldn't hitch my wagon to him for half a decade.

 

[Nikolokolus]

This deal seems slightly too large (in years), but it's not insane or ridiculous, like the Rudy Gay deal. At least Gooden is being around the right rate per year. I just wouldn't hitch my wagon to him for half a decade.

It's the five years thing that has me shocked. I totally agree that Gooden is probably worth about the MLE for 3 years, but with his claim to fame of 8 teams in 8 years, it just seems like a bad bet.

 

[BGrantFan]

Do we know if there are any team options tied to this deal? I agree that the years are a risk, but I think signing Rudy Gay to a max deal over the same period is a much bigger risk.

 

[maxiep]

Do we know if there are any team options tied to this deal? I agree that the years are a risk, but I think signing Rudy Gay to a max deal over the same period is a much bigger risk.

I don't think that anyone disagrees that jumping off a five story building is better than jumping off a skyscraper, but that still doesn't make jumping off a five story building a good idea.

 

[BGrantFan]

I don't think that anyone disagrees that jumping off a five story building is better than jumping off a skyscraper, but that still doesn't make jumping off a five story building a good idea.

Still butthurt, are we?

 

[BGrantFan]

I heard the final two years are team options.

3 years/~$16 million guaranteed, then team options the final two years.

Waiting for a link on this, though.

How is that a bad deal?

 

[Minstrel]

I heard the final two years are team options.

3 years/~$16 million guaranteed, then team options the final two years.

Waiting for a link on this, though.

How is that a bad deal?

If the last two years really are team options, than this is a perfectly reasonable deal.

 

[maxiep]

I heard the final two years are team options.

3 years/~$16 million guaranteed, then team options the final two years.

Waiting for a link on this, though.

How is that a bad deal?

That deal is much more reasonable, but that wasn't the deal you were defending.

 

[BGrantFan]

If the last two years really are team options, than this is a perfectly reasonable deal.

That seems to be the word on the Bucks board I visited. That's basically the MLE for a 17 PER and 17/11-esque starter.

I wouldn't have minded to see Portland take a run at him if that was the cost. He'd be a big upgrade over whoever is going to try to play back-up PF next year.

 

[BGrantFan]

That deal is much more reasonable, but that wasn't the deal you were defending.

I was defending the price compared to production. You could stop making up my argument for me at any time, mmmmkay?

I said the years were worth debating, but not the yearly price. Read the thread again, or don't, and continue to post out of your ass.

 

[BGrantFan]

What's a fair price for a 17ish PER PF who put up 17/11 per/36 and shoots 48%?

I suppose we could quibble with the length of the contract, but per year, it seems like good value for that type of production.

My first post in this thread (for the reading impaired).

 

[maxiep]

I was defending the price compared to production. You could stop making up my argument for me at any time, mmmmkay?

I said the years were worth debating, but not the yearly price. Read the thread again, or don't, and continue to post out of your ass.

You defended the whole deal. Nik and I said the years were ridiculous. I'm glad to see you've finally come around.

 

[BGrantFan]

You defended the whole deal. Nik and I said the years were ridiculous. I'm glad to see you've finally come around.

No, I didn't, you liar.

 

[maxiep]

No, I didn't, you liar.

Still a victim?