OT: Bulls trade Deng to Cavs for Bynum + picks

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Natebishop3 said:
Do you think Chicago would be interested in doing a Rolo/something for Noah?

Right now they have very similar numbers, but Noah is a much better defensive player, and Lopez is making less than half of what Noah is making.
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Please, God, no. If that scumbag comes to Portland, I'll be outside the Rose Garden with protest signs...
 
Denny Crane said:
This is what made this Bynum contract a unique opportunity that wasn't available from any other team at any other time this season. Not mere cap flexiblity or perhaps a young player on a cheap deal, but immediate savings. KC phrased the Cavs including these picks as 'meeting the Bulls demands', but I'd have to think it's the Bulls that blinked: the deal had to be done by today for Bynum to be cut before his contract was guaranteed.
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Philly is still far under the cap and could've absorbed more salary than the Bynum contracted allowed. Philly could've been involved in a three team trade as they are tanking and would not be interested in Deng directly. But those were basically the only two options the Bulls had and the deadline for the Bynum deal was today.
 
Draco said:
Philly is still far under the cap and could've absorbed more salary than the Bynum contracted allowed. Philly could've been involved in a three team trade as they are tanking and would not be interested in Deng directly. But those were basically the only two options the Bulls had and the deadline for the Bynum deal was today.
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If Bynum's contract were not terminated today, next season would be guaranteed.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Dumping Deng for cap space, hmm. It'll be interesting to hear Denny's take who has always said that Deng was a near all-star.
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he was an all star in 2012
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I'd be pretty pissed if I was a Bulls fan. Think if we traded LaMarcus away for a crappy draft pick that very possibly becomes a 2nd rounder and mostly just save Paul Allen $24 million.
 
Draco said:
I'd be pretty pissed if I was a Bulls fan. Think if we traded LaMarcus away for a crappy draft pick that very possibly becomes a 2nd rounder and mostly just save Paul Allen $24 million.
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Deng wanted 4/$48M or more. The Bulls weren't paying that.

Given Deng could walk as a UFA and get us nothing in return, at least we got something. Going into repeat taxpayer status for a middling team, as constructed, is bad.
 
WTF is this!?!?!?! Im assuming just a joke

Meyers Leonard @TheRealMeyers11
My trade talks with the Bulls fall through they trade for Bynum at the last minute. Happy to stay in #RipCity

Edit: My bad, not his real twitter
 
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BlazerWookee said:
Please, God, no. If that scumbag comes to Portland, I'll be outside the Rose Garden with protest signs...
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I don't understand why you are so opposed to Noah. It seems to me he would rock on the Blazers. Is it because you simply prefer Fropez (who also rocks on the Blazers, BTW). What is it about Noah that concerns you?
 
Denny Crane said:
Deng wanted 4/$48M or more. The Bulls weren't paying that.

Given Deng could walk as a UFA and get us nothing in return, at least we got something. Going into repeat taxpayer status for a middling team, as constructed, is bad.
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Yeah its better than nothing, and it helps their draft pick this season.

But I think 4/48 is a fair contract for Deng, that's $12 million less than the inferior Boozer got. Perhaps they would've been able to sign him for a few million less, or gotten a larger return in a sign and trade. Will the Bulls be able to replace Deng's production in free agency with the cap flexibility they now have? I think that is extremely unlikely. Allstar players just are not available, teams hold on to them.

LaMarcus Aldridge is only 3 months younger than Deng. People talk about Deng as if he's getting close to 40 but he's only 28. Many players have their best years at the age of 30. The more I think about this trade the more I like it for the Cavs.
 
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BBert said:
I don't understand why you are so opposed to Noah. It seems to me he would rock on the Blazers. Is it because you simply prefer Fropez, who also rocks on the Blazers, BTW. What is it about Noah that concerns you?
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He's a dildo, just like his father. Never liked either of them, probably never will.
 
BBert said:
I don't understand why you are so opposed to Noah. It seems to me he would rock on the Blazers. Is it because you simply prefer Fropez (who also rocks on the Blazers, BTW). What is it about Noah that concerns you?
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I'm not concerned with Noah, but more concerned with how well Lopez gelled with the team. He's become so important, IMO. I would really like Dalembert, but there is no change. I would even be happy with Jerm, but I doubt Golden State ever gives him up. That type of caliber will be players that you can get without trading any of the starting 5
 
Draco said:
Yeah its better than nothing, and it helps their draft pick this season.

But I think 4/48 is a fair contract for Deng, that's $12 million less than the inferior Boozer got. Perhaps they would've been able to sign him for a few million less, or gotten a larger return in a sign and trade. Will the Bulls be able to replace Deng's production in free agency with the cap flexibility they now have? I think that is extremely unlikely. Allstar players just are not available, teams hold on to them.

LaMarcus Aldridge is only 3 months younger than Deng. People talk about Deng as if he's getting close to 40 but he's only 28. Many players have their best years at the age of 30. The more I think about this trade the more I like it for the Cavs.
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Lu has a lot of miles on him. In the NBA 2 years longer than LMA.

Lu made over $14M this season. A cut to $10M that the Bulls offered seems like an insult, no?

To me the issue is that we can lose in the playoffs with or without him. The Bulls aren't going to get a franchise changing player that they need even with Rose by drafting late in the 1st round or using cap exceptions.

Sometimes you have to swing for the fence.

The consequences of having Deng at a huge salary would be felt in 2015, which people don't seem to note.
 
Denny Crane said:
Lu has a lot of miles on him. In the NBA 2 years longer than LMA.

Lu made over $14M this season. A cut to $10M that the Bulls offered seems like an insult, no?

To me the issue is that we can lose in the playoffs with or without him. The Bulls aren't going to get a franchise changing player that they need even with Rose by drafting late in the 1st round or using cap exceptions.

Sometimes you have to swing for the fence.

The consequences of having Deng at a huge salary would be felt in 2015, which people don't seem to note.
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That's a good point. There are a lot of players available in 2015. Chicago has an opportunity to play like Olshey did with a franchise player and a bunch of role players. If they can win the lotto, plus have a top 15 to boot, they may be sitting great; especially since they could free up a lot of cap space in 2015 for a good amount of "free agents"
 
Denny Crane said:
To me the issue is that we can lose in the playoffs with or without him. The Bulls aren't going to get a franchise changing player that they need even with Rose by drafting late in the 1st round or using cap exceptions.

Sometimes you have to swing for the fence.
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Doesn't all of this apply to Noah too? He is older than Deng.
 
Draco said:
Doesn't all of this apply to Noah too? He is older than Deng.
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I think Chicago isn't done. I think Noah will be just as available, but they will get much better in return for him.
 
Draco said:
Doesn't all of this apply to Noah too? He is older than Deng.
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Well, the Bulls have struggled to find a reliable C for years, and he's on a very favorable contract. The Bulls have played without Deng for stretches and the guys who filled in proved him to be much more easily replaced.

Plus, the Bulls are all about defense, and Noah is a core part of their team for the next half decade at least.
 
BlazerWookee said:
Please, God, no. If that scumbag comes to Portland, I'll be outside the Rose Garden with protest signs...
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The Rose Garden is by the Zoo I do not think many people will see your protest over there should consider moving it to the Moda Center
 
Denny Crane said:
Deng wanted 4/$48M or more. The Bulls weren't paying that.

Given Deng could walk as a UFA and get us nothing in return, at least we got something. Going into repeat taxpayer status for a middling team, as constructed, is bad.
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Yeah, the season-ending Rose injury changed their plans as a team. I think they came out of the trade pretty well with $$$ savings and three draft picks. We'll see if they can capitalize on the rebuild for a second championship window.
 
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