(OT) Chad Ford: 4 team deal in the works

[Nikolokolus]

Not fair to bash Cho on this one. As I understand it, even tough the deal is done, he is still analyzing this trade to see how it can help us. Next week he sends it to Nate McMillan for approval, then the week of Aug. 22nd it goes to Larry Miller, and due to Paul Allen being on his yacht, it goes to him to sign off on in mid Sept.

It is a process ...

 

[illmatic99]

FWIW, a poster on realgm with some insight says...

The reason Houston is doing this deal is because of some behind-the-scenes- "issues" with Ariza. There was a MAJOR incident recently between Ariza and another key player that really turned ugly. The coaching staff was very concerned about chemistry issues between the two players and so they began shopping Ariza for the last month and a half or so. Apparently, Ariza has a reputation for being a "loose cannon" to put it mildly (one of the reasons LAL didn't do more to retain him), and Houston wanted to dump him and get back the best value they could. Lee is a very nice player--hard nosed, tough, and athletic--and they are really happy if they get him. Lee will be a very solid addition for them and I think you will see him flourish in Adelman's system.

 

[illmatic99]

And we have another trade.

ESPN.com sources: Hornets and Raptors have also agreed to a separate trade that will send Julian Wright to Toronto for Marco Belinelli

 

[rocketeer]

I look at several things on this trade:

1. Houston had too many players at the same position which were good. They need to make their lineup more balanced. Lee is a good defender which will give them versatility to line up size wise with their competition.

the rockets just made their roster less balanced. lee is really just a sg. ariza is an athletic 3 who can guard any perimeter spot and showed more playmaking ability this year than lee has ever shown(though that's not a strength of his). losing ariza means that the rockets only defensive option against bigger 3s is battier.

2. Ariza going to New Orleans will be just one of the moves New Orleans will try to make to keep Paul in town. He will fit well there, he just needed to go back to being a guy who was on the receiving end of passes instead of trying to make plays himself.

ariza should do very well in new orleans. he's a perfect complimentary player and i'd be shocked in he didn't thrive there in the role as 3rd(and sometimes even 4th) option. he definitely should have a positive impact on their chances at keep paul.

3. Collison going to Indiana would be a huge upgrade and solve a big problem for them.

definitely good for indiana. collison's value seems to have been vastly overrated. he's a very good backup pg, but he'll be in the bottom 3rd of starting pgs. but it fills a huge need for the pacers and they don't need collison to turn into a star to have gotten good value.

4. The Loser? New Jersey. Troy Murphy blows ass.

they get a big expiring to play with.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

And we have another trade.

Wow. There's the blockbuster we've all been waiting for. Forget LeBron and Bosh to Miami...

 

[Nikolokolus]

And we have another trade.

Bellinelli is barely better than a hot plate of garbage, but he can shoot it a little, so I guess there's that.

 

[rocketeer]

Bayless and Lee (and Lowry, who they overpaid) are pretty similar, and iirc, Morey was very high on Rudy in the 07 draft. We could have potentially replaced Indiana/NJ if we threw in Joel.

i feel like those 3 players are vastly different. lee's strength is spot up shooting. bayless and lowry are at their best attacking the basket, but bayless is more creating for himself while lowry is creating for others.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Not fair to bash Cho on this one. As I understand it, even tough the deal is done, he is still analyzing this trade to see how it can help us. Next week he sends it to Nate McMillan for approval, then the week of Aug. 22nd it goes to Larry Miller, and due to Paul Allen being on his yacht, it goes to him to sign off on in mid Sept.

Microsoft had a big security hole in Microsoft Office and is releasing a service pack update later this week. Cho has to wait until the Excel update is complete before he can make an evaluation on a player/trade/team/dinner.

 

[Ed O]

such a bad deal for the rockets.

I agree. Lee is a stiff. 24 years old with crappy advanced statistics. I know that Houston has forgotten a thousand times more about stats than I've ever known, but ... Houston didn't get a lot for Ariza and it hurts their chances to make the playoffs this season.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I agree. Lee is a stiff. 24 years old with crappy advanced statistics. I know that Houston has forgotten a thousand times more about stats than I've ever known, but ... Houston didn't get a lot for Ariza and it hurts their chances to make the playoffs this season.

Ed O.

But I thought Daryl Morey is the GM-prototype of the future? I move where advanced statistics rules over general basketball judgement?

 

[andalusian]

But I thought Daryl Morey is the GM-prototype of the future? I move where advanced statistics rules over general basketball judgement?

I believe HOU does a lot of work on advanced stats for very small things - such as "how he defends going left" and "help defense on pick'n'roll from the weak side". Maybe the combination of big money savings, these specific needs they have and Ariza's rumored "culture" issues made it reasonable for them.

 

[rocketeer]

I agree. Lee is a stiff. 24 years old with crappy advanced statistics. I know that Houston has forgotten a thousand times more about stats than I've ever known, but ... Houston didn't get a lot for Ariza and it hurts their chances to make the playoffs this season.

Ed O.

this trade has literally no impact on the rockets chances for the playoffs next season. if relatively healthy, the rockets are an absolute lock.

pg - brooks/lowry
sg - martin/lee
sf - battier/budinger
pf - scola/patterson/hill
c - yao/brad miller/hayes

the team was definitely better with ariza starting and battier backing up the 2/3, but that's still a team that is a lock for the playoffs unless yao is not able to play(in which case, yes, the ariza deal would hurt the rockets chances).

 

[DynastYWarrioR6]

On a separate note (cause noticed you guys were talking about the NOH lineup), they traded Julian Wright to Toronto for Marco Belinelli

 

[Nikolokolus]

But I thought Daryl Morey is the GM-prototype of the future? I move where advanced statistics rules over general basketball judgement?

I guess it depends on whether or not you believe that there was a "major" personal issue between Ariza and another key player that needed to be resolved. In any case, Swapping Lee for Ariza saves the Rockets a ton of cash, which is kind of a moneyball move.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I agree. Lee is a stiff. 24 years old with crappy advanced statistics. I know that Houston has forgotten a thousand times more about stats than I've ever known, but ... Houston didn't get a lot for Ariza and it hurts their chances to make the playoffs this season.

Ed O.

KP, who everyone loved, traded Zach Randolph for a pile of shit. I guess I am just saying that sometimes trades aren't made for obvious reasons.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Chad Ford reporting on ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5455472

 

[DynastYWarrioR6]

And now I look stupid, cause I made my post before realizing there was a second page to this thread.

You guys post too damn much!

 

[Entity]

The Hornets are hoping that the addition of Ariza addresses Paul's concerns about the team's commitment to winning by showing that they're willing to spend money to get better.

I wonder whose opinion this is, Chad Ford's or the Hornets'? Either way, I'm going to say "no". Or maybe even "not yet".

 

[BlayZa]

this is fuckin depressing....

surely we can compete with that offer?!?!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Cho and Co. are still deciding what iron to pull out of the fire. I mean, eight SG/SF's on the 15-man roster isn't such a bad thing is it? FML.

 

[Mediocre Man]

this is fuckin depressing....

surely we can compete with that offer?!?!

Yes, we can, and stop calling me Surely

 

[BGrantFan]

Perhaps a GM "experienced in making trades" would have done more than sit on his ass crunching numbers while a very young and good PG is part of a 4-team trade.

 

[HailBlazers]

Perhaps a GM "experienced in making trades" would have done more than sit on his ass crunching numbers while a very young and good PG is part of a 4-team trade.

I'm curious to know what you do for a living Papa

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

You gotta love the reactive mindset rather than being proactive. 'Let's see what other teams do first.'

 

[HailBlazers]

You gotta love the reactive mindset rather than being proactive. 'Let's see what other teams do first.'

Gotta love people talking like they have any idea about reality

 

[craigehlo]

Tony Parker or bust now.

My money is on bust.

 

[Nikolokolus]

You gotta love the reactive mindset rather than being proactive. 'Let's see what other teams do first.'

All I can think of is that they were still thinking that if they waited the Hornets out, they'd eventually move Paul before the deadline and they wanted to see if they could revisit a deal at that time ... not exactly a great strategy IMO, but a possibility.

 

[illmatic99]

Tony Parker or bust now.

My money is on bust.

Ya, no kidding. A trade for TP would salvage this summer.

We'll still be good without a trade, but if we even want a hope of challenging LA or MIA, we need another star.

 

[BGrantFan]

I'm curious to know what you do for a living

What the fuck does it matter? What, I can't be at least a little bit frustrated that the Blazers didn't get Collison? People make fun of David Khan for having 3 PGs ... have they seen our roster? A crapload of "combo" guards, but only one true PG (who is well past the age of 30).

Even if by some miracle Oden plays 70+ games, this team is not a title contender.

 

[Idog1976]

FWIW, a poster on realgm with some insight says...

Yeah Ariza's a bad man that's why he got that 5 game suspension after the intentional undercut that may have messed up Rudy's career. Oh right never mind he was still a Laker then...